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Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "And I realized Willow was choosing her own additional targets because of "jealousy" or just because she could."They were both right. The doctor was Mackie's agenda and the skater was Willows. Her choosing the skater and Nate the skateboarder in Times Square weren't really random. As you say Sandra, she was jealous of them.
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That's a good point. Rayleen was more calculating and killed when someone got in her way or out of revenge - a sociopath. In contrast, Willow killed because she feels an intense need - a compulsion, which is more in line with a psychopath. That is why she attacked the cop and the nurse at the jail. I'm not sure she could have stopped herself from doing it.
Lauren wrote: "Michelle wrote: "She falls under the heading of mental break for me."I can't remember. Did she have some kind of psychotic break? I thought she was in some kind of internal competition with her f..."
She didn't have a psychotic break. I just mean that she was not born that way. She didn't have murderous thought. Yes it was a competition that at some point, after the death of her parent become something else.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Michelle wrote: "Sorry ladies. I was reading and answering. Should have finished reading all the comment before adding my thoughts.For me I think the father wasnt really training her to kill. I t..."
The same here. Sometimes it's something I'd never have thought of. And in this group we listen to all points of views.
Michelle wrote: "I just mean that she was not born that way. She didn't have murderous thought. "Thanks for the explanation. Yes, that makes sense and I agree that she wasn't born that way.
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In contrast, Willow killed because she feels an intense need - a compulsi..."
Yes, perfectly said!
Sharon wrote: "Lauren wrote: "Michelle wrote: "Dennis Mira and his cousin couldn't have been more dissimilar."That is an interesting point. My impression from this book was that Edward Mira changed once he went..."
That's true. I suppose I just think that though both came from the same background look how they divurged during uni days. Yes the urban war happen but one did his bit while the other was lamenting the fact he was being curbed. Boo hoo. Then he gets together by whatever fate with like minded people and look how that turned out.
In the end I suppose it truly depends on the indivual. Fate or free will.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "How do Willow and Rayleen from Innocent compare? How do you view one vs. the other?"I agree with everything that been said. I can't really compare them as the MO for want of better term are different. The one wanted what she wanted, the other was all about the killing. As you mentioned. Peabody and Eve both had good instincts about the kills.
Speaking of Peabody. Love ssing the dynamic between the two developing. Peabody is being give scope to investigate her pov. Their partnership is really something to see developing.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Thoughts are Roarke buying Eve business establishments? Ice Cream anyone?? lol"😂 Really why are we surprised by this. I'd have thought it would have been a coffee shop or chocolatier.
Someday she's going to have to go through her finance and portfolio because I know she owns things she has no clue of or about.
I love that Roarke gives Eve businesses with products she loves. They stock her favorite ice cream, so he buys her the store. She loves one of Roarke's coffee blends, so he names it Eve's blend.
It is his way of giving her investments without her seeing money in her bank account. She did give her money away to Louise when she found out she had it.
I'd forgotten about the coffee blend.😁When did he buy her the ranch?
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Oohh. Now I can't wait for that discussion. Knowing Eve and her feelings about cow or anything farm related.
Michelle wrote: "I'd forgotten about the coffee blend.😁When did he buy her the ranch?"
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it was Innocence. If I jumped ahead I'm sorry.
I removed the post. For some reason, I remembered the couple Roarke and Eve had dinner with when the Magda B walked in was from Nebraska instead of Montana.
I fall asleep listening to parts of these books so often they run together.
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When did he buy her the ranch?"
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it was Innocence. If I jumped ahead I'm sorry"
I don't recall where it is - not saying you jumped ahead. Just reminding everyone as I know how easy it is to do that when you're excited & enjoying a book discussion. Especially in a series like this that after awhile, it becomes hard to recall exactly when things happened. It's all good!
I have a question. I know when DeWinter first appeared Nora said she didn't have any intention of hooking DeWinter with Morris. They way they are becoming friendlier, do you think they are going to be a friends to lovers match in the future? I hope not, but they do seem to be getting closer with each book. Also, DeWinter is moving closer to Eve's friends. It feels slightly disloyal to me. Everyone must recognize that Eve isn't a fan.
I feel like Robb is going to pull her into Eve's circle, but I can't forget her flirting with Roarke and the way she tried to take Eve's case to the press in Concealed.
I'm with you Sharon. I don't feel that de Winter and Morris should ever become more than friends. And I think for the most part that won't happen. But you never know.For me it's that rebound thing. De winter being new to NY and making friends. And Morris just happens to be the first one that extended a hand of friendship. I can see Morris being ready for an instant family. But I just don't see it ever becoming more than friendship. Friends with benefits? That I could also see but not love
If I can comment on another killing in this book: Officer Kevin Russo, I don't know about y'all but I think his murder was Willow's calling card to Dallas that she would be next eventually.Also was anyone else pissed off over Mackie killing her brother's puppy just out of spite?
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Roarke shocks Eve with her new office and command center. The crew had worked double-shifts while she tracked down the snipers. "Holy shit, holy shit!"
Seth wrote: "If I can comment on another killing in this book: Officer Kevin Russo, I don't know about y'all but I think his murder was Willow's calling card to Dallas that she would be next eventually.Also w..."
Willow killed the puppy not Mackie.
Seth wrote: "If I can comment on another killing in this book: Officer Kevin Russo, I don't know about y'all but I think his murder was Willow's calling card to Dallas that she would be next eventually.Also w..."
Didn't think about it at the time. But your right. Eventually she would have gone for Eve. Because Eve would not have stopped until she caught Willow. I don't think she had Eve in her sights yet or when she shot Russo though.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Love Eve's comment upon seeing her new office:Roarke shocks Eve with her new office and command center. The crew had worked double-shifts while she tracked down the snipers. "Holy shit, holy shit!""
Everything about the new office was fabulous. Even the first version with all the pinks...? So opposite off what she wanted in any case. I remember thinking how like Roarke to have pulled it off. I also remebwr thinking how did she miss all of that happening. Surely she would have gone into her office at some point. But no. Everything happened so fast in the case she only went home to sleep.
Seth wrote: " I think his murder was Willow's calling card to Dallas that she would be next eventually.."Not sure I agree with this.
First, Officer Russo was the first officer on the scene of Susann Mackie's death and he was on Mackie's list not Willow's.
Second, Willow had no idea who Eve was when Russo was killed so I don't see the connection.
Lauren wrote: "Seth wrote: " I think his murder was Willow's calling card to Dallas that she would be next eventually.."Not sure I agree with this.
First, Officer Russo was the first officer on the scene of Su..."
I agree with you Lauren. Russo's death didn't have anything to do with Eve. He is part of the Mackie "conspiracy" theory that killed his wife.
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Not sure I agree with this.
First, Officer Russo was the first officer on the scene of Su..."
That's true. He was on Mackie's list.
One thing I will say, I think the press in the book universe was a special kind of stupid. I can't tell you how pissed I was when Eve caught herself in the Time Square big TV screen broadcasting her kneeling down Kevin Russo's body.Another incident was one of the journalists attempted to side with Willow after her arrest and got cold glares from Eve and Tibble. I hope Roarke Industries either made that guy give out an apology or had him fired.
Seth wrote: "One thing I will say, I think the press in the book universe was a special kind of stupid. I can't tell you how pissed I was when Eve caught herself in the Time Square big TV screen broadcasting he..."I think both are typical of the press. It is aggravating how the press will give bad, incomplete, or sensitive information without thinking. If they can get a picture it is that much better.
It wasn't unusual in the the early days of television for the press to announce deaths before the family was notified. Ritchie Valens is a high profile example that received national attention. That changed in the 60s, but now with 24 hour news channels they are back to their old tricks.
There is always a reporter who grabs a cause too. That will never change. Sometimes it works for the good, and sometimes not so much.
Seth wrote: "One thing I will say, I think the press in the book universe was a special kind of stupid. I can't tell you how pissed I was when Eve caught herself in the Time Square big TV screen broadcasting he..."This is not the first time that the press is portrayed as a special kind of stupid. Can't remember which book ( know I should be better but at this point they all rolls into one big book) where Eve waited for them all to quiet down then she ripped them a new one as only she can. Was also a serial killer.
Maybe this is Robb trying to show why Eve really hate the press. Asking question to appear clever but actually not listening to what is being said.
I sometimes wish that news reporters would think before doing or saying anything. I wonder if they ever listen to themselves? I'm of the school of thought how would you like it if that was your family member? There's such a fine line between reporting to inform or just reporting because you want to get information out. I'm not even going to think about ratings etc because that just bring a whole other thought or argument about news reporting.
Has anyone watched a program called the prodigal son? Staring Tom Payne and Martin Sheen. The sister in that is a reporter that just drives me mad.
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Unfortunately, the ethics of journalism is a thing of the past. Now all the press are interested in are clickbait headlines and quotes they can manipulate. It is doing the most awful damage because the trust in journalists has been almost completely eroded.
Ethics is still taught in journalism classes, but it is hard to find a journalist that has any.
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So true...and sad.
It's why I have this fantasy of Scary Roarke going after that reporter, because you know that his companies are sponsors of these news magazines and losing Roarke would be a costly loss.
Wow! Some great discussion here. Makes me want to go back and re-read this one. re: Journalism: yes, journalists do stupid and unethical things. But, please do not paint them all with the same brush. Too many people hate the press and now we have the whole "fake news" and brushing them as untrustworthy. We need the press to speak truth to power. (Sorry, just my two cents.)
Oh I don't. I think for me this was round. About the time I just got so fed up with all the news reports. I was still hooked into news channels for covid19 updates etc. And no I'm from South Africa and didn't have the "fake news" thing going. In fact that was my comic relief.But as you say we do need them.
Michelle wrote: "Sorry ladies. I was reading and answering. Should have finished reading all the comment before adding my thoughts.For me I think the father wasnt really training her to kill. I think that he want..."
I agree. I didn't feel that he was training her initially to kill either. I think he wanted a son that he could enjoy shooting with. After his wife was killed, he completely lost it and I think that's when Willow was able to manipulate him.
This one was so good. I loved it. It had everything. The case was so good with knowing who the killers were pretty early on and following along as they tried to find them. And Willow was so cold. It was hard for me to imagine that she was only 15.I loved how Summerset was helping at the concert hall and how Roarke was so worried about him and Eve. So worried that he kind of lost it.
And with all this death and sadness, then we have Bella's birthday party which was so much happiness and light. Loved it.
I like how Robb sprinkles in humor or family moments to lighten the evil.
I really do too, Sharon. Willow was so awful. Bella's party was a perfect ending to the book.
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Willow was spooky cold. And only 15!?! Chilling.
Loved the party! lol
You ladies are so right. 15?! Too young. And the thing is that I know there are kids that age out there that are capable of crime. It not just fiction. What does that say about society?
That's what made it so scary. I think of my sons at 15. Just having a great time being teenagers. It really is sad that this isn't just fiction.
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So true...what does it say! It's scary.
I'm amazed sometimes when I see young teens arrested. It is very scary.
