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would you vote YES or NO if you were a victor?
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I'd vote no, but there was a topic just like yours and I voted on that one, so I don't want to start repeating myself :)
Nikita wrote: "I'd vote no, but there was a topic just like yours and I voted on that one, so I don't want to start repeating myself :)"i didnt see that topic, i looked to see if there was anything similar before i posted this but couldnt find.
i guess it must have passed me
Husam wrote: "Well as I was reading the book and got to the point where the gathered all remaining 7 victors and had them VOTE on whether or not the CAPITOL CHILDREN should be put into a last HUNGER GAMES.I wa..."
Katniss (and Haymitch) only voted yes to appear loyal to Coin. If she had voted no then she wouldn't have been given the opportunity to make that pre-emptive strike.
I can't remember much about the others but from a psychological point of view, it's not uncommon for the abused to eventually become the abusers e.g. sexual abuse in childhood.
For the characters, I suppose for them it would partly be about getting revenge and partly finally gaining and using power that they've always wanted.
Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Well as I was reading the book and got to the point where the gathered all remaining 7 victors and had them VOTE on whether or not the CAPITOL CHILDREN should be put into a last HUNGE..."Nice point of view there. So you think that Katniss really wanted to vote no, but just said yes to get to where she can kill coin?
Husam wrote: "Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Well as I was reading the book and got to the point where the gathered all remaining 7 victors and had them VOTE on whether or not the CAPITOL CHILDREN should be put into..."Yes, that's correct.
Katniss knew that Coin would become an even greater threat than Snow. So she voted yes, appearing loyal, and took care of Coin before Coin revealed the upcoming plans for the final hunger games.
If Katniss had said no then I'm sure Coin would've immediately/soon after imprisoned her, perhaps even made sure Katniss joined Snow at the end of the book. It would leave her utterly powerless to stop Coin, as well as the continuation of the hunger games.
I can't remember what was said exactly but at the time of the vote, Katniss talked about her sister. Her family and her people wanted the games to stop. The only way of doing that was to vote 'yes', which gave her the opportunity to take action.
So while Katniss did say the word 'yes', her actions clearly showed she believed in 'no'.
Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Well as I was reading the book and got to the point where the gathered all remaining 7 victors and had them VOTE on whether or not the CAPITOL CHILDREN shou..."I see .. good point of view, I actually didn't see it that way :D
This was my least favourite part of Mockingjay.
I would vote no because, surely, that's the whole reason they were fighting? To me, by voting yes, it seems that they have lost their humanity, which is understandable considering what they all went through at the hands of the capitol, but these are just children, and they especially don't deserve to be punished.
I would vote no because, surely, that's the whole reason they were fighting? To me, by voting yes, it seems that they have lost their humanity, which is understandable considering what they all went through at the hands of the capitol, but these are just children, and they especially don't deserve to be punished.
Husam wrote: "Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Izzy wrote: "Husam wrote: "Well as I was reading the book and got to the point where the gathered all remaining 7 victors and had them VOTE on whether or not the CAPITOL ..."It's subtle but the hints are there. Most readers are taken aback and are busy questioning why Katniss voted 'yes', taking the scene at face value when really they should be asking why Katniss targeted Coin.
It would help if the author did an interview in which the ending was explained but if you read a lot of YA or adult epic fantasy in which political games are often featured, you expect these sort of manoeuvres.
Hmmm, I didn't realize Katniss targeted Coin premeditatively. I was under the impression it was a spur of the moment thing when Snow told her they had agreed not to lie to each other, and Katniss realizes he has no reason to lie to her and so he must be telling the truth. Going back and re-reading those parts, I must say the idea that Katniss was going after Coin even as early as the vote does make some sense. I thought Katniss voted yes because she was so full of grief and maybe Collins was trying to show the readers how damaged Katniss was, but at the same time voting yes goes against Katniss' character so the idea of it being a ruse makes sense. I wonder if there is some connection to way back when Haymitch said to remember who the real enemy is, even though that was a foreshadow for the end of Catching Fire.
Yeah, Katniss only did it to trick Coin. I don't think the hints are subtle but sometimes people read too fast that they can miss the signs. Biggest hint is when Katniss thought of 75 years ago and wondered if pleas of mercy were shot down and ignored by people wanting revenge. She realised pleas of mercy would be ignored because nothing has changed, so not to lose her chance to get close to Coin to kill her, she said yes.
I wrote a whole thread on it with more details and photos of specific phrases that show Katniss was only tricking Coin. Here's a link to it -
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
If thinking like Katniss and my plan is to trick Coin to stop an end to Hunger games, then I would vote Yes
Thanks, Nuran! I totally see it in a whole new light now. I definitely read too fast! The whole ending makes a lot more sense now.
Please don't make fun of me, but if I were a victor I would say YES. Because we've been through suffering for years and years and they deserve at least one Capitol Hunger Games.
I found that whole concept really creepy. I mean, it would be one thing to make like, the Gamemakers participate (although I wouldn't really agree with that either). But the CHILDREN? It's not their fault at all. They didn't do anything. It would just be petty revenge. And anyway, no one deserves the Games. It's just sick.
I don't really know what I would vote because on one hand I think they should know how it feels, they sat and watched the hunger games for years and they thought of it as entertainment! so yeah I see why someone would say yes but on the other hand even if they thought the hunger games was wrong what could they have done to stop it at that point in time so really they are not the one you should blame for what happened, so I think they should have an adult hunger games. they should take all of the people that helped make the games possible and make THEM fight to the death!
Calypso wrote: "I don't really know what I would vote because on one hand I think they should know how it feels, they sat and watched the hunger games for years and they thought of it as entertainment! so yeah I s..."Well, I'm not going to debate about the adult Games, because then we're just getting into whether or not you approve of capital punishment. But the kids...
Yeah, they thought it was entertainment. But that's because it was drilled into their minds that the districts aren't people. You can't just punish specific people for the actions of their country. I mean, these are kids who probably started watching the Games when they were toddlers, before they even realized other people have feelings. They literally don't remember a time without the Games. Remember, they got the same propaganda the people in the districts received. Probably from preschool, even nursery school, they were taught that the Games are ESSENTIAL to keep the peace.
Of course I'd vote 'no'.What kind of grotesque world is this in which it is entertainment to watch kids slaughter each other. Yuck.
Of course that's just me. If I were a citizen of one of those districts and a victor? Oh I don't know. You have to go through horrible psychological trauma when you're forced in a situation like this, especially when you're still a kid or teen. I don't know what I would vote in that situation.
Sparrowlicious wrote: "Of course I'd vote 'no'.What kind of grotesque world is this in which it is entertainment to watch kids slaughter each other. Yuck.
Of course that's just me. If I were a citizen of one of those ..."
That's actually a really good point. PTSD can mess you up. What I really don't understand is people on this thread who haven't been through the Games who think that's okay.
I agree with Calypso, I would totally vote yes for an adult hunger games with all the people that helped make them possible (they could finally appreciate all their hard work). Or just stick them in one of the old arenas and let them live out their lives. Banishment. But definitely no for another child one. They'd already have their cushy lives taken away from them. They couldn't help who their parents were.
I would vote NO.HUMANITY
Hah. Nope. A Hunger Games for Capitol kids would have the same pretenses as the Games for the districts: a fight to death to show the "bad people" who was boss. Plus, neither group of kids could help what their predecessors did.
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I was shocked with 4 out of 7 voting for yes, especially that Katniss was one of those 4.
Anyways, if you where one of those victors, would you vote YES or NO? And why?
(( I personally would vote NO, because I think that the capitol kids are innocent, and because having one more hunger games will just kill the whole meaning of the revolution and everything they fought for))