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message 1: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
What do you think will happen in this?


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Since this is the last book before the final Shadowhunter series (😭) I think it will give hints as to what will happen in TWP. I think the 9 princes of hell will be big in TWP, so I see them being in COI and COT as well. And since Cassie is doing the art for each prince with information, it seems like she’s almost prepping us to know them? I was also thinking maybe some curse will get placed by a prince that will come into effect during TWP. I also think since I’m convinced Lucie will find a way to save Jesse, maybe that’s something important in TWP- the ability to raise ppl from the dead in a good way that doesn’t mess up the balance? And I think we will enter more realms and meet more of the princes. What are your thoughts?


message 3: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Some serious sh*t will go down. That's what I think


message 4: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
but doesn't it, in every finale


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments True! But this will probably be the biggest so far(but I feel TWP will be the ultimate finale). Although I wonder how long it’ll be? Since QoAaD was 912 pages....


message 6: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Wanna bet? I'm saying close to 1000 pages


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Oh I hope!! I love these characters so much!


message 8: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
How long do you think the finale of TWP will be?


message 9: by mjraves (new)

mjraves (bookscoffeeandimalesbian) | 74 comments IT BETTER BE LONG


message 10: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Oh yes. At least 900 pages for me to savor every word


message 11: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Hopefully TWP will be 1000 pages. I feel like the Grand Finale should be that long


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments I agree! But I feel like the same thing that happens with KOA by SJM will happen. KOA was over 1,000 pages but they had to shorten it because it was either a) too long for a YA book or b) the book spine kept breaking because of its length. So I feel it will be over 1,000 but in print it’ll turn out less.


message 13: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Cassie said this end will be more heartbreaking than Clockwork Princess. I'm not ready for that


Queen Jenna the III (queenjennatheiii) | 51 comments Oh gosh no neither am I my copy of Clockwork Princess is stained with tears XD


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Beenish (beenishamir) | 324 comments I don't think I'm ever gonna be ready for an end to this world. I want the books to be long and I want to read them slowly and I also want something continuously happening which always does coz Cassie doesn't waste pages on shit. (though I'd say she did a tin bit in cog)

and just as @El said, I too think demons are gonna be big in this. demon blood in the Herondale line definitely is something big too.

and if we see this way, no matter how great the Blackthorns family is, they indeed are isolated and no one really cares about them? and maybe that's been happening since Tatiana's line? who knows.. so I think it will affect Ty and livvy and kit in a way too. don't know why but just a theory.

Also, in tid, there are automatons with demon souls in them and in tda there's the blight but in cog there Tatiana being an iron sister and attacking at the heart of nephilim. I really am curious as to how much damage she might cause being blind with rage and for revenge and with Belial's influence.

does that make sense?


message 16: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
yea, it does

Tatiana's hate is kinda petty and stupid, right?


Queen Jenna the III (queenjennatheiii) | 51 comments Yes
And you are right when you say Cassie doesn't waste pages on s**t.


message 18: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
I feel like it should be a bigger reason. Btw, I'm rereading chain of gold because I need to read something good. we can do a buddy read if anyone wants to


message 19: by Beenish (new)

Beenish (beenishamir) | 324 comments I'll probably reread chain of gold next year before chain of iron.


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Hmm I sort of understand her rage honestly.
I mean she didn’t handle it well but to see you husband be essentially killed in front of you, see his remains, have your father killed, then your son dies... it would be a miracle for her to have no trauma


message 21: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Trauma, I get, but her hate for the Herondales is kinda petty


Queen Jenna the III (queenjennatheiii) | 51 comments Yeah. And, from my biased opinion, the Herondales are awesome, so it's even more petty. But trauma is reasonable, for her life experiences. Even being a Shadowhunter doesn't justify that kind of pain.


message 23: by Beenish (new)

Beenish (beenishamir) | 324 comments true


message 24: by Lucy Tonks (new)

Lucy Tonks (the invisible life of a reader) | 239 comments Tessa wrote: "Trauma, I get, but her hate for the Herondales is kinda petty"

maybe she has a reason that we don't know, or maybe she just lost her sanity.i kinda believe the sanity one more tho


message 25: by Lucy Tonks (new)

Lucy Tonks (the invisible life of a reader) | 239 comments also do you guys think that this will be more of a clockwork princess ending or city of heavenly fire ending? a sob fest or not?


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Definitely Clockwork Princess were it’s a sob fest yet bittersweet happiness as well


message 27: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
Sob fest for sure


message 28: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
https://cassandraclare.tumblr.com/pos...

I laughed so hard at this


message 29: by Lucy Tonks (new)

Lucy Tonks (the invisible life of a reader) | 239 comments yes!! i saw it yesterday lol


message 30: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
being indian, i was a little disappointed that ariadne did not have an indian name but cassie said that it's because of her parents. I do hope that does something about the plot


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Well we will see it in COI and I bet it’ll have some importance


message 32: by Susan (new)

Susan (readers_are_leaders) | 20 comments I think James would be on the front cover of Chains of Thorns because in the COI synopsis it mostly mentions Cordelia, Lucie and James. Cordelia and Lucie are both featured on the covers so I believe it will be James turn.


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Yeah same. I think he’ll have a cape or shadow wings as the replacement for long hair


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Haha so now the theories begin for this book😙✌🏻

Tbh I’m kinda shocked how many things I guessed right in COI. Anyways.

~ so I think we’re going to go see the unseelie king. Maybe. I can’t remember the timeline for when Malcom discovers how to raise Annabel, but if Lucie does summon her ghost it stands to reason we may see the scene where he learns how to raise her. I also feel Lucie has created large consequences for raising Jesse and Jesse himself also will go through loads.


message 35: by Tessa (new)

Tessa Herondale~Carstairs (jessawessa) | 862 comments Mod
imagine this- livvy wouldn't have died if not for jesse and lucie haha


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Haha perhaps. I feel Malcom would have figured out sooner or later the truth because at the end of the day, he’s a warlock and I’m quite certain at some point someone would tell him for a bargain. Even the faeries could have told him at some point to stir up trouble. I think though it is bc of Lucie and Grace that he knew the truth, it was also his own decision to do necromancy.


message 37: by Niham (new)

Niham  Teradhalys | 39 comments okay hi, I need to understand something. I'm from Italy and I have a really good english level, so I usually read books in english, and so I did for COI. But the fact is that I understood something at the end of the books, that no one is talking about, so maybe I didn't understand it wright lol. So when Ariadne goes to James and Cordelia's house at the end and waits for Anna to come out, and then she tells her that they will never be together and so on, and THEN there is a line that says "Anna sank down onto the front steps of a neighboring house unable to catch her breath. So I thought Anna couldn't breathe, like something was happening and she couldn't breathe and then I thought "Lucie had just raised Jessie from the dead, and necromancy has a price, what if the price is a life and that life is Anna's"
oh god I hope not, I really love Anna.
But pls tell me if I misunderstood everything


☀︎El In Oz☀︎ (elinoz) | 318 comments Hmm I think it was because Anna was crying so hard she couldn’t breath properly, but you do have a good theory! Perhaps it’s not Anna but I definitely see lucie’s price of raising Jesse being one of her loved ones lives


message 39: by Niham (new)

Niham  Teradhalys | 39 comments oh okay yeah, I definitely misunderstood. Thank youuu


message 40: by Lucy Tonks (new)

Lucy Tonks (the invisible life of a reader) | 239 comments oh god no, that theory is scary


message 41: by Niham (new)

Niham  Teradhalys | 39 comments yeah! Let's just hope I'm wrong ':)


message 42: by Beenish (new)

Beenish (beenishamir) | 324 comments hey guys, what are your thoughts on the epilogue of COI? what do you think is up with Tatiana getting the key to the Iron Tombs?

I remember Malcolm thinking that if Annabel died like Iron Sisters and Silent Brothers do in Iron Tombs, then he'd have slept there with her for eternity.

I'm guessing Tatiana and Belial are going to offer Malcolm to come see Annabel's body (skeleton) and are also going to get him to side with them just to leave Lucie alone to suffer since she's a Herondale and Tatiana hates them and all. no coherent thoughts on this yet but that the direction I'm thinking in


message 43: by Beenish (new)

Beenish (beenishamir) | 324 comments hey guys, what are your thoughts on the epilogue of COI? what do you think is up with Tatiana getting the key to the Iron Tombs?

I remember Malcolm thinking that if Annabel died like Iron Sisters and Silent Brothers do in Iron Tombs, then he'd have slept there with her for eternity.

I'm guessing Tatiana and Belial are going to offer Malcolm to come see Annabel's body (skeleton) and are also going to get him to side with them just to leave Lucie alone to suffer since she's a Herondale and Tatiana hates them and all. no coherent thoughts on this yet but that the direction I'm thinking in


message 44: by Isla (new)

Isla | 1 comments My copy arrived yesterday and I started it last night, already hooked!


message 45: by J .ೃ (new)

J .ೃ (astascen) | 25 comments I'm finishing I can't say goodbye to them im so sad , it's such a good book but I need more


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