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message 1: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
I think this is the part where our doctor move to London...


message 2: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments Oh, Andrew! What an unlikeable character you can be at times. Volatile doesn't even begin to describe his behavior; the explosion at the beginning of his story didn't need dynamite - a body part would have sufficed. It's a good thing that his nasty mood swings go to repentant about as fast as his meanness, otherwise Christine might have had to hit him with a cast iron pan.


message 3: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
Totally agree. I was horrified watching Andrew get sucked (and suckered) into the crowd of in-it-for-the-money doctors. No wonder the same crowd (the real ones) were after Cronin with metaphorical daggers drawn. I'll have to track this down but there are some who credit Cronin with providing some of the political impetus for the creation of the British NHS.


message 4: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments I remember reading that, too, and although I have my reservations about government health care, I can see how such poor care for poor people needed to be addressed. Even at my age and experience, I'm still shocked and horrified at the greed and hard-heartedness that exist in the heart of so many who are entrusted with the welfare of others - and "health care", including pharmaceutical companies and insurance providers,
rank at the top of my list of power abusers.


message 5: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments Andrew is a prime example of "if he were half as smart as he thinks he is"...


message 6: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
Karlyne wrote: "Andrew is a prime example of "if he were half as smart as he thinks he is"..." Totally true. I'm trying to remember the correct phrase--I think it's something like emotional IQ. Andrew would definitely score low on at least part of that test.


message 7: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments I've only been reading bits as I garden (yay! also, groan), but every time that I pick it up, I go, "Oh, Andrew!"


message 8: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments Thinking about the emotional IQ as being low, and I think that's him in a nutshell. He's only interested in his own emotions, his own feelings. It's as though he's completely forgotten that people exist outside of his ego.


message 9: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
There is a part of me that really understands Andrew. That's that part of me that almost got seduced by the intoxicating power of Wall Street in my early days there. Thank the Lord I always had that little voice in me saying, "Are you kidding me? Who the heck do these people think they are anyway? G-d?" Well yes, that's exactly what these types do think they are, no matter what their 'profession'.

For a movie that captures the financial industry version of Andrew's great temptation I'd recommend Margin Call: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marg...


message 10: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments I've always (until I beat it out of myself, which I hesitate to even write for fear it should rear its ugly head again) had a big streak of competitiveness. In school I would study just enough to keep ahead of everyone else, and I found myself as an adult doing the same thing in the workplace. It wasn't really ambition but rather a desire to not be at the bottom of the heap - and what better way than to be at the top of it? It wasn't the innocuous pride in a job well-done, but the much more insidious pride in being better. Ouch. If we let it go on too long (and the realization that we have it is something too many of us never even face), we end up being seduced and suckered into what Andrew became, a man who thought everyone else was material to be exploited.


message 11: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments I just looked up Margin Call - I don't think I'd even heard of it!


message 12: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments Have you ever seen The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit? Or read it? I'm fond of Gregory Peck, but somehow I've never managed to see it. It seems to have the same underlying theme of managing what's important.


message 13: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
Hi Karlyne! I've been off line for Passover and Shabbat. So restful but weird since we've all been isolated with no gatherings or synagogue.

I've never seen The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit, but I love Gregory Peck so I'll check it out!


message 14: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 1964 comments I ran up the hill (haha! I walked.) yesterday morning at 10:00a.m. to see if I could hear our church bells ring. But the wind was blowing so hard that all I could hear was wind. Sunrise was gorgeous and the sky is blue, but if the wind would let up, I wouldn't mind! I miss singing, but I think that's something I'll forego for a while - all that flying spit, you know!


Bobbie | 89 comments As a retired nurse, I found this book very interesting and did wonder how widespread this type of thing was in England and in that time period. Cronin being a doctor, I'm sure this must have been based on fact. I also was very disappointed in Andrew. I was thinking back to his first encounter with Christine and could see how his temper and emotions were on display early on.


message 16: by Hana, Hana is In Absentia (new)

Hana | 1104 comments Mod
While it was harder to root for a protagonist as flawed as Andrew I appreciated Cronin's courage as an author. It would have been all too easy to create a saccharine and saintly Andrew!


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