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Today, I shall mostly be...
Definitely don't want anyone upset, especially Suzy! :o)
We all use the language differently and spell and pronounce differently. It's just the way it is. There's a generation of us (old people!) who were inculcated with the "correct" way and it can be hard to let go. I well remember the nuns beating it into us (sometimes literally) that "formidable" was to be pronounced FORMidable and never forMIDable; likewise it was CONtroversy, never conTROVersy. Does it matter? Why do most people say kilo-gram but kiLOMeter? We'll never know. And not worth worrying about.
"the nuns beating it into us"oooh, my! what a treat!
(other psychopathic religious zealots are available)
Hen eggs hatching!Few pics on profile
Getting me jab booked after the letter dropped. Makes me feel bloody old!Other than that, out yomping with Minnie. Pushed on a bit further today; makes me feel bloody old.
Tech XXIII wrote: ""the nuns beating it into us"oooh, my! what a treat!
(other psychopathic religious zealots are available)"
Smite dem grammatical 'eretics O Jah!
Interesting encounter on the morning mooch with Minnie. Usually do the country park but took a longer route round to it along some paths through stands of trees into which she launched herself on squirrel patrol and wasn't great at being recalled. She was fine all the way round the lake except for her usual habit of barking at the angler(s). Then we got to the fenced off dog swimming area which has small holes which a dog her size can easily get through. There being no other dogs in there I thought she'd get bored easily and waited by the gate (the gates open onto mini-Sommes of deep mud so I'm not going in until it warms and dries up) but then, for the second day running, fancied riling up a pair of swans in the shallows by the lake's edge, Much barking resulting in hissing and flapping of wings ensued and then a chap came into view with a smartphone tinnily blasting out music. His coat had the hood up and he wore a scarf which obscured almost everything bar his eyes and a bit of grey beard/hair. Minnie started barking at him but came over to the gate I was at to let her out. She heads straight for the guy barking at him as he heads off the path trying to give her a wide berth. I tried to reassure him that she's never bitten anyone and was unlikely to do so with him but he instantly got all aggressive saying he had anxiety and if she came any nearer he was going to do her some damage, etc, etc all of which ramped up his tension, mine and the dog's too. Minnie wasn't coming back and even the treats weren't working quickly enough and the guy wasn't walking off but turning and wielding something in his hand as if preparing to lash out at her while issuing further threats. I managed get her on the lead while he dropped his phone on the tarmac path (brief moment of schadenfreude) and eventually he went his way leaving me wondering why, if you have severe anxiety about, among I suspect many things, dogs why choose to come to a park where you are guaranteed to encounter dogs most of which are off lead? Plenty of streets where all dogs are required by law to be on lead and where you can cross from one pavement to the other to avoid them?
I once had the same experience when walking our GSP of the time, Mud. She loved running in wide circles but had no interest in people or other dogs. On this occasion, walking her in a park designated as "off-leash", and with no other persons or animals in sight, a bloke started yelling at me, saying he would kick my dog if she came anywhere near him. I tried to explain that she had no interest in him at all and was just running for joy, an easy ten yards away from him, but he was having none of it and started getting really aggressive. I turned and walked away, calling Mud and putting her on the lead for her own protection. I could understand it if the dog was near you and getting into your personal space, but she was nowhere near him.
Minnie was near him and barking - he must have been giving of some strong fear pheremones or something because she loves people and approaches everybody, usually to their delight; "Aaah, you're friendly" as she flops against their legs on the way to being fully belly up and legs in the air. Something not dissimilar occurred last weekend when it was sunny and we were in the park again. Just off the path are some not too heavily vandalised picnic tables at which was a couple with a young child an a load of food spread out. Over went Minnie at which point the mother jumped out and moved towards her. Enthusiastic responses to Minnie's approach are not isolated events but I called her with a treat and she came only to go back to the table at which point the mother jumped up and this time it was clear that she was intervening between Minnie and their dog-phobic child. The dad gave it some unnecessary chunter as I was already leading her away. Again I wondered on the wisdom of bringing a dog-anxious child and some food (Minnie's too short to reach the table top) to a park where dogs are going to be off the lead? It's a public space on which you can't impose your own set of preferences and where unpredictable stuff can happen of which you don't approve. Runners pass exhaling aerosol breath, people walk three and four abreast taking up the full path width, dogs of all sorts of sizes and dispositions are walked on and off lead, cyclists race past you (a personal bugbear - the path's only about 1.5m wide and flanked by mudbaths), children and their parents crowd the footbridges to chuck lumps of white bread in for the ducks and swans, etc. Folk need to acknowledge other people/users and respond tolerantly but tolerance is increasingly notable only by its absence.
simply, as a result of this lockdown, a lot of people are being shown up as the ***** that they really are.honestly, i'm glad that lux is too neurotic and unpredictable to be let off the lead very often, and only when we have a clear view of the surrounds. certainly never in town or near a road (motorcycle psychosis!)
D's Birthday today so we're gonna get a munchy box for dinner. Looking forward to that one. Tonight, a couple of cans of cider and either a couple of eps of Dr Who or Death In Paradise.
round trip of 40 miles got me vacc. no.1. went ok. just a bit of a prick.............................
Today I shall mostly be ... spending all day working on writing this ...Okay, hiyah Everyone ... yes, it's me, and I'm back again ;o>
I left the Forum in complete confusion and floods of tears last week, and I also removed myself from the Membership from it as well, as I had no intention at the time of ever returning or, in all honesty, of ever speaking to anyone on here again either ... and then I really lost it and spent a week only getting even more upset ... and hurt ... and incredibly frustrated ... and extremely angry too ... and far more with myself with than anyone else on here over all of this.
And the reason that I felt like this is because I really love these Discussions - but I dislike rudeness and I hate arguments - and one of the very last places that I would ever want to be having any kind of an argument with anyone is right here on a Public Forum like this.
Thankfully though, I woke up to myself, and thought what the bloody Hell are you doing?!! - and doing to yourself, Suzy?!! ... you are being a coward by walking away from this, by allowing yourself to take on and to accept being spoken to and to being treated like you are someone who is deliberately being stupid, and also by allowing anyone to try to make you feel humiliated and ashamed of yourself ... this is not acceptable to me ... and so, here I am, back again.
And, you know, I think that everyone on here maybe does need to hear all of this out even if it sadly doesn't make for pleasant, or for easy and light-hearted reading, or involve the correct use of Grammar - because one of the questions that was asked out loud was ... "If it's wrong what's the harm in pointing it out and expecting that advice to be acted upon?" ... and so here is my own rather long and heart-felt answer.
Firstly - and seriously? - should I really be taking away from all of this, and also by how the Discussion carried on in my absence, became offensive, and then just moved on like nothing had happened - that no-one else has got any problems at all with what was being said on here?
Because, if so, then I have to say WoW! - and that I do have a problem with it and it's also a really HUGE one too - but nevertheless I've decided that I'm not going to go away and give up on being a Member of this Forum because of it - even though I know that I am choosing to continue to do so and to carry on with posting as I do ... "in the face of such resistance" ... to borrow a recent and a, sadly, rather apt quote.
When I come onto this Forum to join in with everyone else on the Discussions and I allow myself to believe that, as I am amongst friends, it will be somewhere that is a 'safe' place, where it will be okay to admit that I don't understand something, and to politely enquire about something that I have never come across before ... and then I come back online to read Posts like some of the ones that have been posted above?! ... I find myself, as I have said previously, to suddenly be left quite lost for Words ;o<
And I am also left wondering too as to just how on Earth I can try, yet again, to explain (as I have already done SO many times before) but hopefully this time in a way that it might be finally understood ... that I am Dyslexic ... and that Neuro-diversity is now recognised and accepted by most people in this day and age, including those who are involved in the Educational System, as a concept that all Human Beings vary in terms of their individual Neuro-cognitive abilities - and that it's estimated that up to 1 in every 10 people in the UK has some degree of Dyslexia.
I am Dyslexic ... and I was born like this and so no ... "Suzy won't change" ... because Dyslexia is not something that you can change or choose not to have. I can, and I have, however learnt to adapt myself to dealing with this amongst the other Disabilities that I was born with - and, to be honest, I don't tend to even consider it to be all that much of a Disability to myself either.
I have obviously got some difficulties in understanding Grammar (which was not something that was considered to be important throughout my own time at my School in the 1980's as it clearly once was in so many other Schools and throughout other Generations), I do also struggle with trying to work out when and where to use Capital Letters for people and things, with how to use Punctuation, and I will occasionally not recognise/realise that I have written out some of my Words in the wrong order as well.
And, in all honesty, I also find it to be just as frustrating as a lot of other people on here seem to do, that I am not able to process or to retain some things - and especially when it does all seem to be quite straightforward and perfectly logical to everyone else. And I actually do have an awful lot of respect for the English Language - I have an intense love of Poetry and of Song Lyrics - but I don't believe that it ever benefits anyone whenever it is being used by some people as a Language or a Communication Barrier to those of us who struggle on a daily basis with these forms of being able to express ourselves.
Dyslexia is NOT demonstrating a persistence in having a childish state of bloody-mindedness or ignorance ... and writing out a reply in intentionally bad Spelling, when the Discussion is about Grammar, is also not a very clever or a kind thing to do to someone with Dyslexia either. It only adds to the struggle and to the distress because it unexpectedly adds another just as strange and as bewildering element to the overall confusion that is already being experienced.
Maybe I should point out too, just in case there is any possible doubt left on this being so, that I'm also not wilfully Deaf either - although I do have a slight form of Congenital Hearing Loss - something that I have also previously mentioned during lots of Discussions across several Threads on this Forum.
Now with all of this said, and hopefully understood and done with, can we please keep fascinating Discussions like these going and all feel free and 'safe' to be able to discuss everything and anything without anymore of these far more unpleasant kinds of Posts being put up and even given Thumbs Up Signs to as well? Actively all try to work on making this Forum into being a much more aware and tolerant, far friendlier and inclusive place for everyone who is, and who wants to continue to remain, a contributing Member of it?
And thank you all for your time and for your patience in reading this Post
... x x x Suzy x x x
(Edited to include Words that I missed out the first time around ;o>)
Glad you're here, Suzy ... I for one, don't want to have any unpleasantness here or anywhere else. Dyslexia is a serious problem to whoever has to live with it and I salute those who have to cope. (My niece is one). Sadly, there are people who, out of some misguided defiance, refuse to follow 'the rules' and they make life difficult for everyone including teachers, other pupils and not least the truly dyslexic.
Rules shouldn't be inflexible but people have a right to be annoyed when they are wilfully broken. The middle way, as ever, is the best: use formal language for formal occasions and relax at other times. One thing that many people don't recognise is that we all should, in an ideal world, have at least two ways of using our own language, where possible. Casual with our friends and more precise and formal in the wider world. I think many teachers have a problem trying to convince the young that they give themselves a better chance in life if they can somehow manage to learn and adopt these two ways of speaking.
Please stay, I miss you when you disappear and if anything I say accidentally offends, let me know. (It will be accidental, I promise). :o)
"yes, it's me, and I'm back"......................and your front!ghramuhr aynt evurrything! - brave post, suzy, i think as long as everyone understands the material we post, that should be that - it's not an exam (and if it was, i'd fail because of my anti-capitalism!), we're all comfortable with each others virtual company (i mean, i'm great anyhoo!), so we should all be happy with each others contributions. there are those among us who have spent their working lives involved with grammar and its purposes, so we should cut them some slack too - because it's a hard habit to break, and they should seek help! (parpington parp!)
Well done Suzy, that took some courage. I'm thoroughly ashamed of my part in what amounted to bullying.I hope you can forgive me and hope I'm still your friend.
Lez
Once a teacher always a teacher! This thing reminds me of the time i told my wife to face the blade slightly away from her resting hand and let the knuckles guide her when she was chopping. Oh how pleased she will be at my advice! Oh how grateful and appreciative she would be at my kindly attempt to make her kitchen chores a little easier. Oh how happily we will laugh together. Only to be offered a look that might suggest the blade facing somewhere else entirely and a call to Just Eat for my tea. The moral of the story is, i don't think anyone here wishes any bad spirit on others but often it can be difficult to judge how words are offered and how things will be taken. We did laugh. But she didn't take my advice. :)#Husbandsplaining ....
Awww, thank you so much to everyone who has responded on here and also in private as well to my Post - I really do appreciate just how understanding and also how kind you have all been ... x x xI love the way that these Discussions often turn out - and I also really enjoy getting to hear about, and sometimes getting to learn about, new things as well. I just felt that it needed to be said and to be remembered that we are all unique individuals who are coming together on here - and I personally feel that it makes for much more interesting, friendlier, and thought-provoking conversations, when we can come to be really getting down to arguing some things out if we still bear this in Mind and try to be as respectful as possible of all of our differences - even if we really dislike them and completely disagree with them.
I also keep on with hoping too that we might even encourage some new Members to come along and to join in with contributing if they can see just how friendly and inclusive we all are with each other.
I hope that we will continue to discuss Grammar and just what it is about it's use that really pleases or greatly annoys - because it's actually something that is really interesting and educational as well - just so long as it's also understood that not everyone else will have the same understanding, Education, or skill in the use of it - and that afterwards there shouldn't ever be any kind of expectation being put onto anyone to change in any way, to 'correct' themselves accordingly.
I was taught how to overcome some of the issues that I have by speaking out the Words (quietly to myself ;o>) as I write them down, then I check and re-check, read everything out loud again, edit, then I will Post and often go back and re-edit yet again - because I'm a bit of a perfectionist by nature and I like to get my Posts as 'perfect' as is possible.
It can end up in taking me several hours at a time to do this and can call on a lot of persistence and patience to be able to write out some of my longer Posts (one recent Post that I put up about a Gardening Website Offer and recommending their Begonias took me the best part of almost two flippin' hours to put together! - LOL!!!) ... and I still will often miss things that also really frustrate and annoy me, as well as others on the Forums, if and when I come to see them.
It is also why I don't usually join in with any real-time spontaneous conversations on the Forum because, by the time that I've put my response together and checked it all before posting, I usually find that it's taken me far too long to do so and everyone has already moved on to discussing something else entirely! ;o>
I did spend quite some time on Google trying to work out what the actual problem was with saying and writing out ... "would of" ... and I did get then, that it was an incorrect use of Grammar, even though I was still confused by it and still couldn't process how to understand the explanations that were given as to why this is so.
I have learnt something new from it - but I'm afraid that you'll just have to bear with me if I carry on with still doing it all the same. It isn't ever being done because I am choosing to be bloody-minded, or to spite, or annoy anyone - it's just how I have come to find my own way to be able to communicate through the often quite challenging use of written Words.
He's going to get such a bighead from hearing this but I've actually secretly always admired tech for choosing to not use any Capital Letters in his Posts - because I hate them SO much!!! ;o>
I drive myself completely crackers some days with trying to work out where to put them and I know that I must be driving other people completely crackers too by over-compensating and putting them in all over the place in the hope that I get them in at the right place somewhere! - LOL!!! ;o>
So true, Suzy.That brassole is the best for getting people to 'learn about new things'.
It keeps the therapists in business, at least.
Talking of talking, the irish have a fantastic penchant for swearing.Not just your usual expletives, but an amalgam of foulness mated with an imaginative plethora of feckery.
One of my farmer neighbours uses 'well fuck me pink', as his regular go to.
As well as others, 'cunt' becomes coont and is used with the regularity of a daily prune nosher.
'Cute hoor', another favorite, describing someone trying to be clever/get one over on someone else.
don't of change! 😁yeah, my heid is big enough, but keep it coming, keep it coming!
Tech XXIII wrote: "don't of change! 😁yeah, my heid is big enough, but keep it coming, keep it coming!"
You're all small pricks and big heads this week, Tech.
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parp! the other way round to be precise!
Lez wrote: "Well done Suzy, that took some courage. I'm thoroughly ashamed of my part in what amounted to bullying.I hope you can forgive me and hope I'm still your friend.
Lez"
Thank you, Lez ... x ... I don't think that I would ever like to go so far as to say that what happened amounted to bullying as such? - but it certainly wasn't a very nice experience to so unexpectedly find myself right in the middle of.
I really appreciate you taking the time and making the effort to read my Post - and for understanding now that I wasn't just intentionally choosing to be ignorant for a childish or a contrary reason. That there are things that, even if I really wanted to try to do so, I can't work on trying to change just because they have been pointed out to me as being incorrect.
x x x Suzy x x x
Tech XXIII wrote: "parp! the other way round to be precise!"PARP!
With all that wind, I'm surprised you know up from down.
suzysunshine7 wrote: "Awww, thank you so much to everyone who has responded on here and also in private as well to my Post - I really do appreciate just how understanding and also how kind you have all been ... x x xI..."
Your trick of reading your words out loud, Suzy, is a really good one. G uses it often when trying to make a complex point. He does tend to favour long sentences ... ;o)
I may unintentionally sound a bit 'knows it all' over grammar but I have done a lot of editing in my time and as Tech suggests, maybe I need a bit of slack!
One thing I have found is that English is a b***** for anyone to learn really well. Quite a few of the texts I've edited were written by people who don't use 'the' or 'a' in their own language. It wasn't until I had their work to look at that I really saw how much the sense can be changed by getting it wrong. We learn it without being aware and it's hard for new speakers to get it. It's just as hard to explain it as to learn it! (One way to put me down a peg or two would be to ask the question - only, please don't! Life is definitely too short). :o)
The Minnie-engendered gushathon continues. This afternoon's walk of about 6 miles took in Weelsby Woods, a park with woodland paths at its southern end which I figured, not entirely accurately, would not be quite the quagmire it was when we last visited a few weeks ago. There weren't many folk about now that schools are back (tee hee!) and Minnie was running all over spotting the many squirrels, chasing them up trees and then barking in a peculiar high-pitched and semi-strangulated way she reserves for tree rats. I spotted a young chap on his own wearing a black hoodie pulled up over his head (it wasn't cold or raining - I had a sweat on) in front of us with his back to me and I instinctively tensed just a little as Minnie bounded past straight to him and put her paws on his legs for a fuss. He duly engaged with her, turned to me with a huge smile and said, I quote verbatim, "She's ADORABLE," to which I could only concur. Never judge a book by its cover.
Brass Neck wrote: "The Minnie-engendered gushathon continues. This afternoon's walk of about 6 miles took in Weelsby Woods, a park with woodland paths at its southern end which I figured, not entirely accurately, wou..."Hug a hoodie?
Does Weelsby Woods include the arresting area, Weelsby Avenue?
windy as hell here. flying toupees and small elephants causing havoc.
Bereft of my bezzie today as Minnie's in for spaying so fingers crossed all goes well. Not looking forward to the next couple of weeks recuperation and trying to keep her from jumping up on chairs, etc. while she struggles with the cone of shame. Guess what word the vet nurse uttered when she clapped eyes of Minnie? Yup, "Aww, cute". She hasn't been that cute over the last day or so in the wind and rain. Despite having a waterproof coat and doing up to 10 miles of walking a day she would not budge from beside the car yesterday, just hunkered down and glared at me and, despite my always having to pick her up and put her into the car, she managed to jump straight in to get out of the rain. Minx! Think we managed about half a mile in total yesterday.
Brass Neck wrote: "Bereft of my bezzie today as Minnie's in for spaying so fingers crossed all goes well. Not looking forward to the next couple of weeks recuperation and trying to keep her from jumping up on chairs,..."Do they do that with keyhole surgery?
If they do, the recovery is very quick.
brass, get yourself one of these, you'll be very glad you did! after a day of hell (for us and her) with the 'cone', we got one of these, in pink camouflage of course, and it very very did the job. i send it on down to you, but Lux is, i think, a good bit bigger than Minnie.amazon.co.uk/Suitical-Recovery-Suit-M...
Try putting a cone of shame on a Doberman! Because of the long nose it has to be absolutely massive to stop him getting at the bits you don't want him to lick. Rig was absolutely lethal wearing it, we had to steer him through doorways the cone was so big.
Tech XXIII wrote: "brass, get yourself one of these, you'll be very glad you did! after a day of hell (for us and her) with the 'cone', we got one of these, in pink camouflage of course, and it very very did the job...."She's low to the ground but long back length (about 40cm) and not very deep chested so not sure if they make one that would do the job? Might try for a blow up collar.
We had a blow up collar for Rig which we bought after the cone experience. It works OK provided you can keep it far enough up the neck, if it slips down it's too easy for the dog to get to the bits you don't want them to.
Derek wrote: "We had a blow up collar for Rig which we bought after the cone experience. It works OK provided you can keep it far enough up the neck, if it slips down it's too easy for the dog to get to the bits..."Dobermans have long necks (and everything else) but Minnie's not exactly swan necked. Just have to play by ear. All 3 cats managed with cones ..........
Listening to some Tom Keifer at the moment, last week's munchy box leftovers defrosting for dinner, then a bottle of wine and Halloween 6 tonight. Perfect Saturday.
"Perfect Saturday" - 50% accuracy achieved
D'oh! I've finally got it, Mr B. talk about slow on the uptake. I think all that hair metal's eroded my brain cells.
Collette wrote: "D'oh! I've finally got it, Mr B. talk about slow on the uptake. I think all that hair metal's eroded my brain cells."F*** me! I was tempted to explain a few hours ago but that would have killed what little humour lay therein.
Some things go totally over my head, ha ha.
Collette wrote: "Some things go totally over my head, ha ha."Where "some" is pretty tantamount to all?
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