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anyone not like a book or a storyline?
Kelly, I wasn't real thrilled with the story line when they were in France. I liked when they were at the Abby, but when they were in Paris I tired of all of the intrigue etc. Louis was a jerk, charles was also a jerk, their so called friends that they were associateing with were not impressive, the Nun was depressing to me.... I just hated it. I also didn't enjoy the part in the books where they were on the Island trying to find Ian, then ended up being lost in a Hurricane. To far fetched for me.
I never liked the part about Lizzie marrying the two brothers. The whole thing is a little creepy to me and a little to incestuous.
I LOVED Lizzie and the Beardsley Bros! It is just too, too funny!
It's not that I don't like or appreciate the storyline for it's contribution to the series and character development, but it saddens me that Roger can't sing anymore. I hope that perhaps that might change in some way in the coming books (because I am convinced there cannot be just one more).
Woogie, I hated that too. I was hoping when he went back to modern times he would recover some of his voice, but it didn't seem like much was done. :(
I can't help myself... gotta ask: why can't Roger sing anymore, and which book is that in, so I'm prepared??? I just finished reading the part in DOA where he sings at the Highland Games and Bree runs out crying... I know it's a spoiler, but I need to know!
Dang Eva, Now I am going to have to reread!!! I know he was hung but can't remember who or which book. If I remember it is mentioned again in Echo.
OMG,you don't want to know.......nobody tell her about Roger!!!! It is a very exciting (of course, not in a good way) part of the storyline!
whoops, guess it is too late for that one LOL!
Carolyn F. wrote: "Woogie, I hated that too. I was hoping when he went back to modern times he would recover some of his voice, but it didn't seem like much was done. :("Roger did consult a doctor regarding his voice and was told that there was a greater chance of him losing it altogether than recovering from his injuries. He and Bree decided it was best to leave it alone rather than risk him never being able to speak again.
Sara wrote: "whoops, guess it is too late for that one LOL!"LOL yep
Sara wrote: "OMG,you don't want to know.......nobody tell her about Roger!!!! It is a very exciting (of course, not in a good way) part of the storyline!"
Thanks Ann. That was my guess... poor Roger. I really like him.
Which book was it in??
Not sure which book it was originally in.
I think it's in the 2nd to last but not for sure.
Fiery Cross? I'm listening to that book (read 2 times already) next.
woops I thought she was talking about when he actually was hung my bad lol not the doctor consult
I HATED Claire's kidnapping and rape. I thought it was such a useless part of the story that could have been left out. I also HATE Malva and her accusations against Jamie. And I agree about Lizzie and the twins, that's just ridiculous to me. Basically, I hated ABOSA. :) Not my favorite at all. I almost stopped reading the series after that book! If I had stronger will power, I might have!
In Echo, Roger does begin to work his vocal cords and start to try and sing again, it is very emotional and he has a lot to get over both psychologically and physically, but is working at it..there was a sense of hope that he may be able to sing again, but never as before.
Rhonda wrote: "woops I thought she was talking about when he actually was hung my bad lol not the doctor consult "Yes, I was talking about when he actually gets hung - I need to prepare myself for that. Is that in Fiery Cross?
Eva wrote: "Rhonda wrote: "woops I thought she was talking about when he actually was hung my bad lol not the doctor consult "Yes, I was talking about when he actually gets hung - I need to prepare myself ..."
Yes it is, Eva.. This GR is bad for you... Lol. Your not going to need to read the books soon. Lol
I don't mind the major spoilers.... I've been known to read the last page of a book before I even start it (hehehe). It's the details that facinate me. I HAVE been avoiding the strings about books I haven't read, but some things I MUST know!!!!! What did people do before all this technology came around?? I would never have the time for a 'book club' in the traditional sense of the word, but I love these groups!
Timberley wrote: "I HATED Claire's kidnapping and rape. I thought it was such a useless part of the story that could have been left out. I also HATE Malva and her accusations against Jamie. And I agree about Lizzie ..."I didn't think Claire's kidnapping and rape were useless. That's how she meets Donner and learns that there are "others"(besides her family and Geillis)...and that Master Raymond is alive and well in the 20th century(thus also a traveler).
Malva's behavior is despicable, but she was just as much a victim as Jamie was. Her brother had been molesting her for most of her life.
As for our dear Lizzie...good on her! Why are men the only ones who get to have multiple spouses in the world? Besides, with her malaria to deal with, she needs one husband to tend to her, and one to care for the kids. ;)
I can be okay with the kidnapping but the multiple rape attempts was a bit much. I understand that was the reality in those times but Claire is near and dear to me and it bothered me that Diana would put her through that. Have her kidnapped and drug around until Jamie comes, fine. But to have her violated in such a way was upsetting to me. As for Malva, I know she's a victim and what was done to her is just as deplorable. But she tried to kill Claire! I just can't forgive her. ;)
To Eva, while I was waiting on my books to come in I read all the spoilers I could. :) I'm horribly impatient and I wanted to know! :)
Timberley wrote: "I can be okay with the kidnapping but the multiple rape attempts was a bit much. I understand that was the reality in those times but Claire is near and dear to me and it bothered me that Diana wou..."LOL to the Malva comment.
The only thing about that storyline that sometimes bugs me is the "sin eater". There's something about the way Diana describes him(and the way he looks at Claire with his blue eye) that makes me think he is/was someone of significance.
With regards to Claire's rape and rescue, I found that to be one of the most powerful scenes in any of the books. The atmosphere Diana describes with the drums banging and the men in full highland regalia complete with war paint...makes you think the Scots and the Indians had a lot in common besides their love of whiskey. lol
I think it also serves a few other purposes; it gives Jamie a chance to heal Claire in the same way she healed him after HIS rape and it shows us a little bit of Claire's dark side. She knew how many men had raped/violated her, but chose to say nothing. While she may have sworn an oath to do no harm, she wanted vengeance(as any of us would, really). And I think Jamie gains even more respect for Roger when he thinks that Claire may have gotten pregnant and the two discuss the best course of action, so to speak.
Thanks Lori, you make very good points regarding Claire's rape. I can ALMOST forgive Diana for putting her through all that. ;)I might be able to read that book again now!
Eva wrote: "I don't mind the major spoilers.... I've been known to read the last page of a book before I even start it (hehehe). It's the details that facinate me. I HAVE been avoiding the strings about books ..."Agree Eva.
Actually, for the times, Claire was very lucky they didn't do more to her. Women were rather expendible. Remember, she was told they needed her alive, but not necessarily whole. I agree with Lori, there are alot of tie-ins with this segment and gives Jamie a chance to rescue her again.We may not always agree with the story line, but, you have to admit, it certainly is not predictable. I am facinated the way DG's mind works and comes up with sll the adventures.
Mary wrote: "Actually, for the times, Claire was very lucky they didn't do more to her. Women were rather expendible. Remember, she was told they needed her alive, but not necessarily whole. I agree with Lor..."Exactly, Mary! That's why I don't mind the major spoilers... I love the 'how' and 'why' around theses major events and the journey through the story. Love Diana's writing - even her self admitted digressions.
Two questions -- where is the mention of the "sin eater" and I forget the references to Master Raymond in ABOSAA. What is that about?
Deanne wrote: "Two questions -- where is the mention of the "sin eater" and I forget the references to Master Raymond in ABOSAA. What is that about?"
I can't remember exactly when it is that the sin eater appears, but I believe there is a funeral/impending death of some sort that he attends. Malva later goes to his cabin and takes "samples" from him and uses those to make Claire and her father sick.
Donner mentions Master Raymond when he tracks Claire to River Run and talks to her and Brianna about how he ended up in the past.
Thank you. I will have to reread those parts...both in ABOSAA?
Yes, they are.Once you find the sin eater portion, let me know what your thoughts are.
I'm in need of some moral support from my fellow addicts... I have all the books on my shelf, and I'm just finishing the FC. I have most of the books in the large trade paperback (which I prefer to the small paperback) - DOA & Echo are hardcover (yipee!). The only two I have in the mass market small paperback are DFIA & Voyager. So I ordered the trade paperback version of each so that my collection looks more pleasing on my book shelf. Am I losing it???? According to my husband, I'm crazy and irrational – although he would never get between me and my books! I just need some support from all of you like-minded people….I do plan on giving the 2 small paperbacks to my friend who just started reading the series and finished MY copy of Outlander last week. Not SO irrational now, am I dear hubby????
Eva wrote: "I'm in need of some moral support from my fellow addicts... I have all the books on my shelf, and I'm just finishing the FC. I have most of the books in the large trade paperback (which I prefer to..."No Eva you are not losing it at all i have hardback & paperback coppies, i will lend to a select few the paperbacks, of the whole series & have convinced ma ever so understanding hubby to bulid me a book shelve totally dedicated to my addiction. He, bless him, is in the process of putting a nice curved frame on the top of the shelves & then intends to carve celtic knotwork with thistles into each side of it then intertwine a J & C in the middle.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE! LOL
Ok - he's a keeper.and thanks... needed a bit of reassurance before I decide to go and cancel my order.
Aye he has his moments. lolHey nae bather onytime, we addicts have to stick the gither.lol
Good for you Eva - I totally understand!I leant two of the books in the series (Voyager and DOA - two of my faves!) to a friend and she is taking so long reading them that I had to go and buy them again because I hated not having them all in the house. When I have a spare 20 minutes or so I'll often just grab a book and read my favourite bits. I can't stand being without them!
- by the way three months later she still hasn't given them back to me!
Aj wrote: "Good for you Eva - I totally understand!I leant two of the books in the series (Voyager and DOA - two of my faves!) to a friend and she is taking so long reading them that I had to go and buy the..."
LOL & thanks! My friend at work lent me Outlander to read, and she kept asking if I had started it yet. I hadn’t (because I had no idea what I was missing out on), and wondered what the big deal was?!! I now understand what she was talking about… she just wanted her book back!!! My sister-in-law has my ‘brand new’ Outlander – bc I read my friend’s and then ordered my own afterwards – and I keep asking her whether Claire got through the stones yet? I keep telling her that if she does not get hooked by the time she is half way thought, to just give me back my book because I miss it!
I'm with you all the way, friends. I lent my copy of Outlander to my sister-in law; had to go buy another one because I just felt "weird" without having it with me. Go figure that! Then, she didn't really like the book and I about went postal on her. Later, I lent a copy to one of my best friends, waited with bated breath to hear her thoughts about it, and waited, and waited...Finally went over and got it off her bookshelf; she was so far past having read it that she couldn't really discuss it! AAARRGGGHHH! These books speak to my soul in a way that nothing ever has. I've read Outlander 3 times, and am reading the series for the 2nd time. I have the entire set in trade paperbacks, have the Outlandish Companion and want the next compendium, too. Anyway, there is this deep connectedness with these books that I am amazed by, but treasure nonetheless. It's nice to hear that others are affected so deeply - sometimes you do think you're crazy! :-)
Very well put. As of now, I have all the books on my e-Reader and 4 of the audiobooks, I do want to eventually get the books in hardcover. The people I have recommended to read this series are almost as devoted as I am, but, not quite. That's why I love this group; you people understand.
My husband is buildng me a library, for my massive selection of books. My library, and it's entire design is based soley on the Outlander series... Cause that's how nuts I am... I am ordering all in HC for my shelving,(that will remain untouched, except for its regular dusting) with celtic book ends, quotes from the series will don my walls, some gaelic.. all Jamie and Claire... I will also order the entire series, in Trade Paperback, these will be th ones I will read, over and over, and... well you get it... I am a bonified freak... I'm not ashamed to admit it...
I love it! Will you send pictures when you get it finished? It sounds wonderful.
Mary wrote: "I love it! Will you send pictures when you get it finished? It sounds wonderful."definatly.. may be a while as my husband is doing all the work, shelving etc, by himself. We both work full time, and are raising 3 boys, so time is a luxury... But it's a work in progress.. when its done I will be more than happy to brag... lol.
Shell wrote: "My husband is buildng me a library, for my massive selection of books. My library, and it's entire design is based soley on the Outlander series... Cause that's how nuts I am... I am ordering all i..."SNAP! You are not a freak Shell unless i am. Ha Ha
My hubby thought it was a good idea that i keep the hardcover's seperate & lend out if i have to the paperbacks, hence why he is building me my Jamie & Claire bookcase. I can't wait for mine to be built.
I am also buying a new bookshelf to house my collection. We are NOT freakish or crazy..... it's called "hard core" baby!
Kelly wrote: "Everyone loves all the Outlander books. I am interested to know if anyone had trouble with or disliked a certin plot or character development. I am a super super fan of books 1, 2, and 3 I do..."
Wow, this is an old thread. I hate 'Echo'. When book 8 comes out I shall skip from ABOSAA and read it. I try to pretend that Echo doesn't exist.
Renee wrote: "Kelly wrote: "Everyone loves all the Outlander books. I am interested to know if anyone had trouble with or disliked a certin plot or character development. I am a super super fan of books 1..."
The first time I read Echo, I had a lot of problems with it, too. I read it again - slower this time as I usually devour the books the first time -- and I really got a lot more out of it. It was interesting to look for the characteristics of Jamie that William is displaying - including getting seasick. The sections about other characters than Jamie and Clair didn't seem nearly as long as they did when I was rushing through to get their story line. Then, too, it is easy to miss Diana's rich life comments. Sometimes they are tucked in a story or a line or two at the end of a section. So - maybe you can give it another chance sometime.
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I am a super super fan of books 1, 2, and 3 I don't think they could have been written any better. I felt the rest could have used some super editing. Usually the longer the better but something about the others just didn't grab me like the first 3.
Also I was not thrilled with the ending of ABOSAA. I did only read it once and maybe a 2nd go would give me a different outlook.