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Sep 15, 2016 04:03PM
So many great responses! And yes, Mary, Mr. Wimp was all humble submission to the black female preacher in Flint, but Mr. Bullshit Bully when he was hundreds of miles away. His thin skin is more yellow than orange.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I almost lost my mind this morning during that Trump "press conference." I kept screaming at the television, "He's playing you; turn him off." I muted the sound and kept switching back and forth between MSNBC and CNN, hoping that one station would figure out Trump's game and stop letting him show off those elderly veterans and his new hotel. Finally, CNN cut in, and my spirits lifted when Jake Tapper and John King both said they were played. The media folks were noticeably angry. I hope they've learned their lesson and will never again carry a Trump event live. They reported later that he was trying to give them a tour of the hotel but wasn't going to let them ask questions, so they wouldn't go along. I went from screaming angrily at them to saying, "Right! Tell it!" I even briefly started crying when one angry black commentator said that this was not a game and discussed eloquently how offensive the birther movement is to black people (and other sane Americans). I just wish someone would point out that Trump not only married two foreigners so that four of his five children have mothers not born in America but that his own mother (unlike Obama's white mother) was not born in America and that he doesn't have one grandparent (unlike Obama's white maternal grandparents) born in America. That a man with his family history could in the 21st Century elect himself Captain America, the decider of who is and who is not American, the one who gets to check our President's papers and decide whether or not they are legitimate, just because his foreign ancestors were white is shameful. Shame on anyone who supports this bigot! "Deplorable" is a polite word for them. I agree with those who said that this is a shameful day in American history, as shameful as the day this narcissistic, sadistic, racist, misogynistic pathological liar clinched the Republican nomination.Fortunately, my dream of a black female posse kind of came true. First, I saw several strong black women (along with a few black men) from the Black Congressional Caucus calling out Trump, and then I heard the First Lady speak in Virginia. But something she said rings true with me; some days I want to join the disillusioned voters who would prefer to hide under the bed until November 9.
Em, I like your Mr. Bullshit Bully name, and you're right about his thin orange/yellow skin, which reminds me of something else that made me sick today--I saw some Donald Trump Halloween masks in CVS. When will people learn that this clown isn't funny anymore? I usually like Jimmy Fallon, but while I'm on twitter congratulating Jake, John, and Gloria Bolger from CNN, I think I'll call him out for the hair messing joke. There's nothing cute about bigots. We can ridicule him, but the media needs to take Mr. Bullshit Bully seriously.
Meredith, Thanks for pointing out the differences between the Brexit vote and the American presidential election. I think in other countries where there is a parliamentary system the elections are more issue oriented in general. In America if someone votes a straight party ticket, people laugh at him (her) for blindly following a party. In Parliamentary elections, that's what people are asked to vote on- which party to lead the country. I know that people in England did have issues with the EU but reading the newspapers here, it seemed that immigration was the main one motivating people to vote for Brexit. I read the NY Times and the Chicago Tribune and tend not to watch the news that often on TV. Sometimes I watch the news hour on PBS or the network evening news or occasionally the BBC World News. I know I'm not hearing every point of view but I dread to think what other Americans are hearing with an even less balanced source of news. Yes, I'm on FB but I don't take anything I read on it seriously.
Much of Trump's support stems from his not being a career politician. Much because of his instant name recognition from his TV show and tabloid fame. Many who need something more concrete will tout his "skill" in business. It is hard to believe that so many would cast their lot in life with whatever fate a Trump presidency might bring. That is, however, where we are now. If I had the money, I would start to consider relocating to the USVI.(It is another topic completely, I know, but it seems to me like it would be copping out to go the whole expat route...Belize, Costa Rica, etc.)
Yes, there is some slight comparison to the debacle brought on by the likes of Farage and Johnson, as well as the growth in the popularity of Marine Le Pen. While the UK voted to leave the EU, I totally agree it was not all about immigration. What the slender 'leave' plurality has done is not merely hit the tip of the iceberg (economic damage ahead for the UK, including the chance that in, say, a decade or two it will no longer have Scotland as part of its 'union'), but ruined or seriously diminished the prospects for those younger than 25/30 years old. Those millions of young people, whether they are born in the UK, working in the UK, or hoping to one day emigrate either to or from the UK, face less freedom in the future both economically and physically. Freedom here in the USA is not comparable on the physical level.
What the presidency of Barack Obama has shown is that freedom is real, that one can dream big, despite that it seems to many of us that chances to get ahead are nil (don't you wish "nil" was a word we Americans used regularly? I think it's cool....).
Trump is playing a game and he already knows that he has won. It matters little to him whether he or Hillary wins the election on November 8. He has won because to him it is a game and there will be no consequences to him for the result of the electoral college tally. He declared long ago his idea that the system is "rigged" and as a numbers man he has already done the math. If you go back to 2012, Romney got more popular votes than any other candidate in our history - except one - Obama. Trump will claim this, that, and whatever - he will have a place in history - fame, fame, fame. OK, fine, now just go away. Start a new TV network, whatever, just go.
Even in past elections, most Americans seem to pride themselves on evaluating candidates individually rather than voting for a party. It must go back to our days in the wild West when it was every man for himself. It's the same strain that has made it so difficult to get any kind of national health care passed. It took us a century to get that and the rest of our social safety net is woeful. I really was impressed by all that Norway does for its citizens.
I agree with you Robert that Trump will find a way to declare victory even if (let's hope "when") he loses. He will say the system was rigged, etc., and then he will invite all of the people coming to Hillary's inauguration to stay at his hotel. But I hope that he will lose in the end. Even if he loses every state except Alaska, he will be talked about in history the way Goldwater is talked about and Ross Perot is talked about. And Trump doesn't mind being infamous as long as he's not forgotten. But I hope that he will no longer be pampered and petted by the media. He played the media well yesterday until he failed to give them access. After my initial euphoria over how the media had turned on him, I realized they were angry, not because of how despicable it was for Trump to act as if he had the right to determine who was or was not American or even because they had been played since that had happened many times before. They were pissed because Trump promised them a news conference and left without answering questions. Failure to provide access is the number one sin as far as the press is concerned. That's why they don't like Hillary and Obama. Let's hope the media folks will hold a grudge and not let him back on their shows when he sucks up to them (and he will because he needs the fame) after this election. Maybe Obama will be more willing to talk to the press once he leaves office, and maybe Bill will provide access since he is more press-friendly than his wife. It's up to the media to do what comedian/late night talk show host Seth Meyers is already doing--refuse to provide Trump with what he most craves-- media attention.
It wasn't until I watched "The Roosevelts" series on PBS that I gully grasped that the Republican Party fought FDR hard to stop the Social Security Act from going into law. They didn't care at all about all the people who starved or were homeless or unable to find jobs. Similarly, they fought LBJ on civil rights. And now they want to abolish the ACA, so 20 million who now have some way to get help if they become ill will go back to where they were 8 years ago.We like to think that elections are about voting for individual representation, but it is always the Democrats who share the
belief that government has both the responsibility and the power to makes the lives of people better. In a way, Trumps embodies what the Republican party and what anyone who votes for any of them, believes. He is just "diplomatically challenged" unlike the professional political leaders like deer-in-the-headlights Mitch McConnell.
Since there seem to be just as many from both parties who get caught for illegal activity, so when I look at a ballot - I almost always choose to vote for the woman running, since they will hopefully be less crooked than the man she opposes. That (wrongly, perhaps) is the only time I consciously split my ballot.
Otherwise, straight Democrat. That seems especially relevant this year, because the Republicans nominated him and for that should suffer. Otherwise, we are going backwards.
Meredith, Trump does pretend to be a decent, caring person because he's a narcissist who wants everyone to love him. He'll call Mexicans rapists and then say that he loves the Mexicans. He's bragged about how many jobs he's provided blacks and claims that the blacks and browns who work for him love him. Trump's attitude is that he should be able to say whatever horrible things he wants to say, and no one should take him seriously because he's really a nice guy underneath all of that racist, sexist, mean-spirited bluster. His Stepford daughter, Ms. Ivanka Robot, has bragged about how well women who work for Daddy Dearest are treated. Robert (and also Meredith if you're not aware of the Dixiecrats), don't forget that many Democrats fought against the Civil Rights Act, and some Republicans (moderate ones, of course) were for it. That's one of the primary talking points of the racist conservatives that I debate on Google+. One of the reasons we know that there are more racists in the Republican Party than in the Democratic one is because all of the Democratic racists (Robert Bird was the notable exception) moved to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act was passed. The Google+ debaters like to quote Malcolm X's attack on blacks who voted for Democrats in the early sixties, but we can use that same attack on blacks who vote for Republicans now. The pre-Civil Rights era blacks were torn between class (Roosevelt's policies) and race (Lincoln freed the slaves and the Southern Democrats were racist) when they were voting in the forties, fifties, and early sixties, but after the mid-sixties, the only blacks who should consider voting Republican are folks like Magic Johnson and Oprah, rich blacks. Any other black who votes Republican is more foolish than the working-class whites who seem to be the new Republican base.
Hi again everyone, We have 4 weeks left to ponder the election. Speaking just for myself, it has been a numbing experience. What I am filled with - as usual - is optimism. For the first time since June, I entered a new paragraph on my blog on my profile page.
Optimism, why? First, of course, Hillary will win, and there will be quiet once again in the land. Well, the second part of that sentence does not follow and is not likely, but just wishful thinking on my part. Second, it just might be that this election may wake up millions of citizens, young and old, to the power they have to do something, anything, to bring about the kind of governance they want. It is not the way the rest of the world mostly is governed. Sure, there are places with egalitarian principles like Scandinavia, and democracies are somewhat abundant, at least in name, but citizen participation is nowhere what it should be. Maybe someday. If Trump's wild ride ends with galvanizing people to become more engaged in the political process - great. Most of my adult life, most of the folks I have talked to have said they didn't think it mattered who they elected, that "nothing would change" for them.
WRONG ! I found out in 1968 that a "protest" vote or a no-vote was a wasted effort. Many voters in 2000 found out what can happen. Geezers like me don't matter so much, but one vote is still important. More important is that the cynicism of these older people not be passed on to newer generations of voters. Trump represents an attempted hijack of our political process no less than radical Islam is a hijacking of the Islamic faith. In Trump's case, he uses his former work in TV entertainment maliciously to sway the opinion of mobs of people who, like him, are socially and politically stuck in the past. He quickly adapted when he first heard the term 'low information voter' - he found his niche.
Return with me now to those thrilling days of yesteryear, when girls were girls & men were men & every1 knew their place! Ah, yes, the "good" old days (which of course were only good mostly if your skin was the "right" color, you frequented the "right" house of worship, and always always always if you peed standing up). Oh, wait: we've actually been living like that all along. Well, it's finally happened: something bad enuff to not only make me not mind being this old but to also make me wish I were even older... Thanks for listening, kinda upset this morning.
An update: And here's some icing on the sh*t cake of all this: this morning I'm doing my volunteer job at the county library & shortly after we opened, in walks a guy with a big grin on his face who says in a really loud, almost-shouting tone of voice. "Free at last, free at last; thank god almighty we men are free at last!" Can you freaking BELIEVE that?! The gall, the nerve, the, the, the...I can't think of a bad enuff word for that. I was NOT in a good mood anyway but that almost made me lose it...be afraid...be really afraid of the next 4 (please, please; no more than 4!) years.
I covered for a teacher today at a high school in white Northern CA and the boys were yelling "just grab 'em by the _ussy" and "let's go kill some n______ers!" I was so upset, I started shaking. When I went into the teachers staff room and told them, they basically did nothing but look at me, you see, this is because they all voted for Trump. Finally, one of them said, "they shouldn't be using that bad word" (which one was she talking about? This was said in the singular, not plural). When I said, he's quoting our new president regarding the use of the word _ussy, this woman actually denied Trump ever said this. Finally, one of them got up and asked me where they were and went to talk to them but for the most part, this behavior went unchecked. God Bless America.
Lynn wrote: "An update: And here's some icing on the sh*t cake of all this: this morning I'm doing my volunteer job at the county library & shortly after we opened, in walks a guy with a big grin on his face wh..."He will probably do something to the constitution so he never has to leave office. The nightmare begins.
Virginia wrote: "I covered for a teacher today at a high school in white Northern CA and the boys were yelling "just grab 'em by the _ussy" and "let's go kill some n______ers!" I was so upset, I started shaking. Wh..."Oh, wow, Virginia, that's awful and sad and we're doomed; god (if there is one) help America. Oh it's gonna be a long 4 years...
Lynn wrote: "Virginia wrote: "I covered for a teacher today at a high school in white Northern CA and the boys were yelling "just grab 'em by the _ussy" and "let's go kill some n______ers!" I was so upset, I st..."There is no God, at least in this sense. There is only the pathetic, moronic, self-absorbed human primate trashing itself out of existence.
Great to meet you Lynn. Thanks too for the commiseration. I am truly beside myself with grief. I hope Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is happy. (Bernie would have won according to the polls at that time).
Now I need a glass of wine and my bed. Back to crying.
I know what you mean about the wine. But hey, here's maybe a bright spot in all this: if you happen to like vodka, maybe its price will go down becuz of the Don's bromance with Vlad?Oh & one more maybe bright spot (& I confess I stole this from the comments section on another site, sorry but couldn't resist): "Hey, all you people who've ever daydreamed about going back in time & killing Hitler, now's your chance!"
The first time I was old enough to vote, I "voiced" my protest by not voting for Nixon or Humphrey. Still under the influence of elders in my life, I might have voted Nixon-R, and very glad I did not. Humphrey-D probably would have done better for the country but it was not clear to me at the time. Torn between RFK and McCarthy - that choice was taken from my generation.So my anger today is toward all those who voted against Hillary by voting for Stein or Johnson, two names that will stump many on trivia quizzes for years to come.
Didn't want to get started on this, as have already changed my Twitter bio to remove politics as much as possible. Guess I can thank Trump for getting me to start using Twitter, after much persuasion from my uber-liberal older sister. Venting by tweeting proved to be so much easier than penning letters to editors, and required a fraction of the effort as volunteering to actually work for my candidate would have required. But the effort to defeat the orange nightmare failed. So I will go back to "aging in place.'
Now that the worst has happened and Trump has won, I'm calmer than I was during the election. It's akin to finding out you have a life-threatening illness that you've suspected you've had for years. Now that it's happened, I can make a plan A, B, and C and start to carry it out. Of course, Plan A is to continue working for social and economic justice and stay here. Plan B is to move to Canada. Plan C is to move to Costa Rica. Plan D is a combination of B and C. Now I know what I have to do. Knowing is better than not knowing.
Thanks for that, Lisa, me and my spouse are equally distraught. But likely to remain here in coastal SC. Have you considered the USVI? That would be my first choice. Or Vancouver, the rest of CA is too cold. Oh, guess that would be OK for you, since you are in the Chicago area. (?) Since fleeing Long Island I have seen only 1 inch of snow and that suits me fine. It is certainly a relief that the election is over and done with - though you can be sure the media will never let us rest. The protests have already begun in many cities and in front of Trump Tower...
Virginia wrote: "Lynn wrote: "An update: And here's some icing on the sh*t cake of all this: this morning I'm doing my volunteer job at the county library & shortly after we opened, in walks a guy with a big grin o..."(((( Virginia )))) Sending hugs & thoughts of peace your way. What did the principal say?
I am new here - came to give and receive comfort, to listen to other shocked liberals (or should I say "decent Americans"?).
Hopefully, over time we can exchange ideas about positive actions we might take to cope with this American tragedy.
Virginia, I'm in white rural Northern California also (near Chico). There's a very large number of the orange racist's supporters here. Neighbors and acquaintances with bumper stickers, or outside radios tuned in loudly to a hate-spewing talk show host, many more since the election.
Walking my dog, it's all I can do not to verbally attack these people, and I'm not normally aggressive.
I agree that it helps to have the election over with. I was so stressed about the outcome that I couldn't concentrate on reading.
My first thought is to look for an online site to make my own bumper sticker, or buy one, that says:
Kindness, Diversity, Respect, Diversity
Rob, I'm not calm enough to figure out who to blame for this. DWS comes to mind. I didn't want to pay too much attention to what she and/or HRC did to suppress the Bernie vote (he was my first choice) because it seemed useless, it was too late, by the time the Dem's convention arrived and the news hit.
Everyone have a good night. I'm a big Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) fan. Last night she made me feel much better by reminding us of the many Constitutional Rights we will have to fight back.
Rob wrote: "Thanks for that, Lisa, me and my spouse are equally distraught. But likely to remain here in coastal SC. Have you considered the USVI? That would be my first choice. Or Vancouver, the rest of CA is..."Rob, Cold weather is not okay for me. I live in the Chicago area and grew up on Long Island also but have always hated cold weather. Since retiring, my husband and I have started planning to be snow birds. We may have to change those plans but I hope not. Vancouver is very expensive. I hadn't thought of the USVI. I hope that it doesn't come to that.
Virginia, It doesn't help to blame anyone anyway. Now we have to move forward. I will be looking to join political actions to protect our civil liberties. Besides giving money to the ACLU, I'll have to see what I can do. Do you feel safe in North Carolina? I feel blessed to live in Evanston, Illinois, a place the TeaParty once described as the belly of the beast.
Have lived here in coastal SC for just about 10 years and truly the only minus is the political slant. We need more snowbirds and permanent emigres to get to an even keel. Democrats do not lose more badly here than in the Midwest "heartland" or any of the other places where Republicans live, but a migration of Dem. voters here is much more likely than to, say, Kansas or Missouri.PS, the cost of living is way less here, except for the city of Charleston and Mt. Pleasant. If I was going to think about NC, the research triangle would be a good bet, however I don't want to be anywhere that gets snow. NC gets a lot of ice and wind damage from regular winter weather. Not here, ever. Have lived near a seacoast all my life so that is my bias. That being said we dodged a bullet with the hurricane in Oct - first one since we've been here. Savannah is a major cultural draw, though its crime rate is quite high, though I am sure it just depends on one's fortune. It's way hotter in summer so you need to decide which is more important. Lived in Naples/Ft. Myers/Tampa all of which are hot, but way longer in fall, and earlier in spring. The thing is we all get cable TV, WIFI, and all the rest, so there is no deprivation to thought or action except that which is self-imposed.
Hi, Ladiibbug, sounds like you're in or near my town; welcome! Yes this area is mostly very conservative; in fact, I'm attending a birthday party tonite where 1 of the guests is some1 who proudly voted for Trump because the pastor of her church told the congregation to...sigh...gonna be hard to keep my mouth shut. But it may be interesting even if I do manage to keep *my* mouth shut becuz 2 other people who'll be there voted for Hillary & despise Trump...so things may get interesting...
Rob wrote: "Have lived here in coastal SC for just about 10 years and truly the only minus is the political slant. We need more snowbirds and permanent emigres to get to an even keel. Democrats do not lose mor..."If I were going to be a snowbird anywhere, it would be South Florida. I like to go swimming and go to the beach. We'll see what happens with the political situation. I'm glad that you feel safe where you are. Take care.
The world swinging to the right!France's Le Pen, Germany’s Frauke Petry, and now the US’ Trump…. What is going on? My appreciation is that there is a monstrous swinging of the political pendulum to the right. Then again, I might be misguided in my appreciation.
Be it as it may, I am absolutely dumbfounded, heartbroken, and quite simply: worried to the bone! If you guys have some suggestions on good books that might help bring some perspective and understanding to the current sociopolitical landscape, I would certainly appreciate it!
Two very good books both by Thomas Frank: What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (publ. in 2005 but still very enlightening) and his latest (2015) Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People? I highly recommend both. I'm also going to be reading soon Trump and Me by Mark Singer (if I can stomach it; we'll see).
Lynn wrote: "Two very good books both by Thomas Frank: What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (publ. in 2005 but still very enlightening) and his latest (2015) Listen, Libera..."Thanks so much Lynn! Very much appreciated! I hadn't heard of Mr. Frank... these look fantastic!
If you politically correct liberals can't handle a black woman's rage, you had better skip this post. You don't have to respond unless you're going to talk about how you will fight for the next two months to keep Trump from moving into the White House. I was for the second time (remember 2014?) optimistic about this election once Trump was the nominee. I overestimated my fellow Americans. I knew that there were plenty of racists, and I know what racism does to people. In fact, I'm the one who made the point that racism is a vile form of dementia. But I didn't know that there were that many racists and sexists in this country. I believed the polls because I forgot about the (Tom) Bradley effect, that there would be people who would lie to the pollsters because they were ashamed to admit that they didn't want to vote for a woman or that they would vote for a maniac to keep the Supreme Court from becoming progressive or that they were secretly as racist as the KKK creeps. I literally started shaking Tuesday night when I saw that Trump had won Florida; I slept only two hours, and my stomach was a mess. But here's the thing about us folks who aren't privileged like Trump and his weak, stupid followers or like some of you clearly are. We are resilient; the longest I've ever been depressed is maybe two days. My depression lasted about ten hours this week; then I got angry, and I'm angry at everyone. Everyone who voted for Trump is deplorable, so is everyone who was eligible to vote and didn't, everyone who voted for Stein or Johnson, and everyone who wrote in the names Romney, McCain, or their mama or anyone but the one sane candidate in the race. I'm not angry at Hillary for conceding. What else could she do after she promised she would at the last debate, and after Trump was attacked for saying he wouldn't? Nor am I angry at Obama for taking his noble stance. He's an exceptional man just as Arthur Ashe and Jackie Robinson were exceptional. But I'm sick of black folks having to be exceptional while a willfully ignorant, born-rich white man whose daddy was President and who had a drunk driving arrest when he was in his late twenties can precede him and a born-rich bigot with at least three personality disorders--narcissism, sadism, and pathological lying--can follow him. Keep in mind that this is the man who made our first black President show his papers. If George W. Bush had been a working-class black man, he wouldn't have been able to get a job as a janitor in the White House and if Trump were a working-class black man, he'd be in a state mental institution or standing on the street, shouting to everyone about how he's the smartest, bravest man. Maybe he'd actually think he was President.Now here's where I'm going to get real, mostly white liberals, so you might want to step away from your computers, hide your children or grandchildren. We're in Trumpland now, where hate trumps love, where bullies rule. I'm also sick to death of Democrats and liberals who accept defeat even when they win. I'm not hanging with the pussies anymore. I've told every Democratic or liberal organization, and every Senator who has contacted me that I will leave the Democratic Party and become an Independent if they don't fight the way the Republicans have fought. We need to stop going high when they go low. I'm also officially no longer a liberal unless liberals do more than complain on social media and talk about how relieved they are. Are you fucking kidding me? A maniac is about to enter the White House! He makes George W. Bush look competent. Do I have to remind you what happened when we went high in 2000 and 2004? Did you forget 9/11, two wars (after 2000), Katrina and a recession after 2004? What makes you think the Republicans won't cancel elections in 2018 if they think they will lose? After all, they got away with refusing to vote on Obama's nomination for Supreme Court justice, they tried to get away with refusing to appoint Loretta Lynch to attorney general, but Obama refused to do what he did with his first choice for Secretary of State--substitute a white man. And they got away with nominating an insane, sexist bigot for President.
Let's be clear about one thing; Trump won because of racism. He didn't raise his political profile by attacking the do-nothing Congress; he raised it by claiming that our President was not born in America. In his announcement speech, he mentioned that he would fund his own campaign, but he didn't go on and on about money in politics or how dirty and broken the political system is. He said that Mexicans were rapists, and even when he talked about trade he didn't focus on European countries, he talked about how we were being outsmarted by Mexico and China. Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He was appealing to the loser white folks who blame brown and black people, "foreigners," for their problems. I know who these people are because I've met them on Google+. They are vile, vicious people; they call our First Lady Michael and accuse the dignified Obamas of smelling up the White House. They hate Obama's beautiful mother because she married a black man and then an Asian one.
What I'm most angry about is how we have let these losers take over our country. These assholes are not the silent majority. They are the too loud minority. They have not been overlooked; they have been made too powerful. These mostly elderly, white, ignorant bigots get to screen our candidates because they live in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina while those of us in the most populous and diverse states have to pick between the leftover candidates if there are any left after March. These whiny, racist, sexist, ignorant freaks have the same number of Senators in states like Alaska, Wyoming, Utah, and the Dakotas, that we have in California, even though there are fewer people in those states than not only in Los Angeles or in Chicago but even in moderately large cities like San Diego. The people who have been disenfranchised are the Obama coalition--the nonwhites, the youth, and the progressive, well-educated whites--who form the majority of this country.
I don't understand why everyone, including Bill Maher and Michael Moore, are so sympathetic to these racist assholes. I'm sick of people not being able to understand why black people would be angry when a twelve-year-old child is murdered while playing with a toy gun but can understand these losers who feel left behind. Where is the white Bill Cosby who can call these fools out? Why doesn't Michael Moore or Bruce Springsteen tell them to stop whining and go to work? Why doesn't anyone ask how they got left behind? I'm from a small town and started with four strikes against me, but I didn't get left behind. I did something with my life. Instead of sitting around collecting welfare and food stamps and drinking wine (I had an alcoholic father, so I never drank) while complaining about racism and sexism, I studied, worked hard, and got where I wanted to be. But compared to Oprah, I'm a loser. I assume you know her story. When you sit down for dinner with your loser Trump-supporting relatives on Thanksgiving (and I may have some too, which would make them even bigger losers, but my family members would never admit to voting for a bigot) tell them that they are not the salt of the earth, tell them that Oprah and I are, tell them that we are the "real" Americans. Tell them that they got left behind because they were sitting around blaming other people for their fate instead of doing something about it. Tell them that if they were born white and were not mentally impaired (as Trump is) and don't have physical or learning disabilities (as both Trump and Bush might), then there is no excuse for them not to be successful. Then play Joy Reid's opening monologue from her show today.
Unless some of you have specific acts that you are engaging in-- signing petitions, asking your Senators, Representatives, or these media clowns who created this monster to demand that he show his papers, to demand that he prove he's mentally competent to take the oath of office--I don't need to hear from you. If you want to know how I feel about my treatment on this site, you can read my Google+ post called "Why Blondes Have More Fun." I'm dropping the mic now--Mary out!
Juan Jacobo wrote: "The world swinging to the right!France's Le Pen, Germany’s Frauke Petry, and now the US’ Trump…. What is going on? My appreciation is that there is a monstrous swinging of the political pendulum ..."
Juan, since Hillary won the popular vote, one thin strand of hope I try to remind myself of is that the majority of Americans voted against the racist, sexually assaulting bigot.
Why we still need "x" number of state legislatures to permanently overturn the Electoral College, and why that wasn't done decades ago is beyond belief.
You are not alone in your heartbreak and fear. While I'm a 60-something white woman, I still feel very fearful. For American democracy. For the horrific realization that we have tens of millions of racists in our country, willing to vote for a "person" such as the one elected, despite ... everything.
I am fearful for my African American, Hispanic and Muslim neighbors in my small rural (read: redneck) No. California town. I can't begin to imagine the fear they are feeling. I know many of my Hispanic customers, neighbors, friends of friends are not here legally, as they are much younger than I am and speak very broken or no English. Their children translate.
My opinion of illegal immigrants has changed over the years, as we got to know each other in the neighborhood. At the edges of my brain trying to absorb election results is a scene of a government force at one of my Hispanic neighbors' house, and what I would do. I do know I could never stand by and do nothing.
Yesterday I withdrew from a local citizens' group working to replace the dysfunctional board of our local water district. The many hats and bumper stickers of our President-Elect ... I do not associate with people who support racism, and everything that person represents.
Not sure if anyone's a Bernie supporter, and now gets emails from his post-election group, www.ourrevolution.com. They've sent several emails since Tuesday with ideas and petitions (the latest, Bernie's petition to "draft" Keith Ellison of Congress (African American Muslim) to be the next chair of the DNC.
I'll be checking into the ACLU and Planned Parenthood sites, and signing up for Elizabeth Warren's emails.
Ron Reagan (not Michael Reagan, the far right son) was on Hardball yesterday talking about his feelings of "cognitive dissonance" -- where your brain tries to reconcile the reality of something with the utter "wrongness" of that thought.
This was interesting:
The Rachel Maddow Show 11/11/16
Trump's words raise red flags for autocracy
Masha Gessen, a Russian-American journalist, talks with Rachel Maddow about what it's like when a democracy slips into autocracy and how to remain vigilant about its possibility. Duration: 7:59
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
Sorry this post is so all over the place.
Mary, YES, I can handle your Black woman's rage. Your post is excellent in it's eloquence. I need more time to think about what you said before replying, but I hope you will keep coming here.
As for how to prevent this person from even being inaugurated, one hope is that the Electoral College in late December will vote for HRC. Slim chance.
Mary said that trump won because of one thing, racism. I really want to add sexism too because of the conversation I had with 1 trump supporter; he said he'd never vote for "that woman." I said, "Ah, BECAUSE she's a woman? Becuz if so, that's sexist." He said, "Oh no no; it's because of her lefty liberal policies." If that's truly all it was, just her policies & not the fact that she's a woman, then why didn't conservative, nutcase Palin make it to the Whitehouse? Becuz conservative guys seemed to love her but yet not enuff to vote for her & McCain so she's not in a position of power right now. (Altho that may change; I hear trump is considering her for a cabinet position & that's probably only to "keep those damn feminists from getting restless" (or truthfully, becuz she's "hot enuff"; let's see if any woman who's not up to his "hotness" standards ever makes it anywhere near "his" white house.)
Mary wrote: "If you politically correct liberals can't handle a black woman's rage, you had better skip this post. You don't have to respond unless you're going to talk about how you will fight for the next two..."Hi Mary, I share your outrage. I'm also scared to go to many places in the USA. I've been looking on-line to find some groups to participate in to oppose all Trump's policies. If you know of any, please let me know. Today my son and daughter-in-law went to a protest march in Chicago against Trump. Thousands of people participated. I would have gone but I didn't know about it until they told me a half hour before the March. Living in Evanston, I couldn't get downtown in time. My daughter-in-law promised to tell me whenever there's a protest in the future.
In the meantime, Trump has made racism, xenophobia, and anti-Semitism socially acceptable. Both the Anti Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a huge proliferation of hate groups. KKK stuff and Swastikas have been popping up all over the place. My husband and I were planning a driving trip to and from South Florida. Now we're afraid to go to the south at all except for South Florida which is mostly New York with palm trees. We'll fly down. Like my husband said, they all voted for Trump. Why spend any money in those states? I'm angry but I'm also scared. The only good thing is that people are protesting. We're not going to let him get away with what he's trying to do.
Lynn wrote: "I know what you mean about the wine. But hey, here's maybe a bright spot in all this: if you happen to like vodka, maybe its price will go down becuz of the Don's bromance with Vlad?Oh & one more..."
HA. Yes, I should switch to Vladka, er, Vodka. Someone put a poster up of Trump as Hitler in my VERY conservative and white Northern CA neighborhood. It's still up there. On the electric pole.
Rob wrote: "The first time I was old enough to vote, I "voiced" my protest by not voting for Nixon or Humphrey. Still under the influence of elders in my life, I might have voted Nixon-R, and very glad I did n..."Good point. People who vote for other candidates in a two-party system are lazy in my opinion. This is not the way to create a multi-party democracy. They don't want to do the real work, and all it does is split the vote and screw us all.
Ladiibbug wrote: "Virginia wrote: "Lynn wrote: "An update: And here's some icing on the sh*t cake of all this: this morning I'm doing my volunteer job at the county library & shortly after we opened, in walks a guy ..."Virginia wrote: "Lynn wrote: "An update: And here's some icing on the sh*t cake of all this: this morning I'm doing my volunteer job at the county library & shortly after we opened, in walks a guy with a big grin o..."
(((( Virginia )))) Sending hugs & thoughts of peace your way. What did the principal say?
****Thank you but I need something stronger. I did have to laugh because the wine dept of Grocery Outlet was BIZZZEEEE...
I don't know where the principal was. The woman that finally got up to stop the kids from saying, no, QUOTING, Trump was a playground monitor type. You guys have prob heard the news that this went on this week in schools all over America. I DID call the Governor's office however and am pleased that Brown is issuing a warning to all superintendents in the state that this will not be tolerated and if a school allows hate speech, the state will investigate the district. He's coming down hard on this. Good old CA.
I am new here - came to give and receive comfort, to listen to other shocked liberals (or should I say "decent Americans"?).
***I am new to this group too. Blessed catharsis.
Hopefully, over time we can exchange ideas about positive actions we might take to cope with this American tragedy.
****Create Action Groups to kill the Electoral College. Finish it off. I understand it has half of the ratification from the states it needs. Let's finish the job!!!
Virginia, I'm in white rural Northern California also (near Chico). There's a very large number of the orange racist's supporters here. Neighbors and acquaintances with bumper stickers, or outside radios tuned in loudly to a hate-spewing talk show host, many more since the election.
****I am an hour from Chico in the Nevada City area. Are we neighbors? This would be cool (and kind of freaky to find one another this way!). A lot of people think interior N. Calif is made up of progressives, hippies, etc. but man this place is white and conservative!
Walking my dog, it's all I can do not to verbally attack these people, and I'm not normally aggressive.
*****Bring up how terrific you think it is that everyone is going to lose their Medicare and watch their faces go flat.
I agree that it helps to have the election over with. I was so stressed about the outcome that I couldn't concentrate on reading.
****But now we're more stressed! For the first time in my life, I am seriously thinking of leaving the U.S. either to travel throughout Canada or even go to New Zealand. I may not be able to take it. I know we are supposed to stay and fight but I did this already--during the corrupt Bush Jr. years. I just don't know if I can do it again.
My first thought is to look for an online site to make my own bumper sticker, or buy one, that says:
Kindness, Diversity, Respect, Diversity
****Mine would say "TERRIFIED"
Rob, I'm not calm enough to figure out who to blame for this. DWS comes to mind. I didn't want to pay too much attention to what she and/or HRC did to suppress the Bernie vote (he was my first choice) because it seemed useless, it was too late, by the time the Dem's convention arrived and the news hit.
****There is another topic--the DNC who basically blew us all off--their own members--and Debbie sabotaging Bernie. Terrible. Bernie would have won vs. Trump and in this time of the protest vote, would have been the proper corollary to Trump.
Everyone have a good night. I'm a big Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) fan. Last night she made me feel much better by reminding us of the many Constitutional Rights we will have to fight back.
****Love her and of course, Colbert.
***Thanks so much to all. We'll get through this somehow. I hope.
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Lisa wrote: "Virginia, It doesn't help to blame anyone anyway. Now we have to move forward. I will be looking to join political actions to protect our civil liberties. Besides giving money to the ACLU, I'll hav..."If I stay, I am going to join the effort to kill the Electoral College. Gore, now Clinton. Also, they manipulate the Congressional Districts, gerrymander, and they did in order to win the votes of the EC. It's pretty slimy how they won and I'm sorry, we do NOT have honest elections. It has to be one person, one vote, and based on the popular vote.
Lynn wrote: "Hi, Ladiibbug, sounds like you're in or near my town; welcome! Yes this area is mostly very conservative; in fact, I'm attending a birthday party tonite where 1 of the guests is some1 who proudly v..."I wonder if we all keep our mouths shut a little too much in this country in order to "be nice". NOBODY talks about it because we don't want to "upset" anyone but I think the near total lack of community civic dialogue is part of the problem.
Mary wrote: "If you politically correct liberals can't handle a black woman's rage, you had better skip this post. You don't have to respond unless you're going to talk about how you will fight for the next two..."I feel your rage so much Mary and in fact, almost lost it today. Once again, I went to a gathering and the people running it made us all promise "not to talk about the election" because, GOD FORBID, we have an open and honest, yes possibly fiery discussion but EVERYWHERE I go, it's SHUTDOWN. Don't talk about anything of any consequence. Don't talk about our pending planetary catastrophe and the fact that this year is once again, the HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD! Don't talk about the election and that America's elected their own version of Hitler into office. Please, please stick to the small talk...It's infuriating.
So much is at stake right now. So when CAN we talk about it? WHEN? Maybe what we need to do is start groups where we are "allowed" have real conversations, and yes, people may get impassioned, "upset" but then we all do something radical for the times we live in---LISTEN!!! Thank you so much for your post.
Yes, we can talk, Virginia. But let's also act. I like what you're doing, Lisa, and I appreciate that you worked hard for Hillary, even though she wasn't your first choice. You and I and several others worried that her baggage would sink her and us. And I admit that beneath the shock and rage (not fear; at 67, I fear little) there was a bit of relief that we won't have the Clintons to kick around anymore. I was dreading the investigations, the attempted impeachment, the obstruction, etc. that we would face with her in office. The Republicans hate the Clintons even more than they do Obama. But I must say I admire Hillary much more now than I did when the campaign started; I loved how she handled herself, especially during the debates, and I think she did everything she could. She didn't fail us; we failed her. As for Bernie, he would have lost too. He was ahead of Trump in the polls because he hadn't been vetted. If Bernie were the actual candidate, the media would have attacked him the way they finally started attacking Trump. And Trump would have played the anti-Semitic card, which he played a bit anyway. Bernie may have gotten more millennial votes than Hillary, but he definitely would not have gotten as many black votes. I'm not a Bernie fan; I'm bitter that he opportunistically took the anyone-but-Hillary position that my choice Martin O'Malley could have had (Martin may have lost too once they started vetting him, but at least he's young and an actual Democrat). I took note of how few of his fellow Congress people supported Bernie. One who did was Ellison, which might be why Bernie, who is not a Democrat, is endorsing him for leader of the DNC. I pay attention to John Lewis, and he was for Hillary both times that she ran; he switched to Obama in 2008 because his constituents in Georgia were for the black candidate. I also liked what Barney Frank said about Bernie: He's a straight white man who left diverse New York for white Vermont (white flight?) and had the nerve to criticize our party, led by a Jewish white woman, with a black President, a female nominee, and a gay man (Barney, I presume) in a leadership position as not being progressive enough. I also blamed Bernie for the way his supporters acted at the convention (I loved Bernie supporter Sarah Silverman's smack down of the jerks who were booing, calling them ridiculous). If he had behaved as graciously this year as Hillary did in 2008 once she had clearly lost, maybe his supporters wouldn't have booed him at the convention and maybe more would have supported her. But I don't blame Bernie for the loss, and I'm certainly not mad at him for pushing Hillary to the left. We lost because it's hard for a party to hold on to the White House for three consecutive terms, even when the President is popular and the economy is doing well, our candidate was not so much flawed as demonized by the media, the voter suppression laws cut into the black vote, especially in North Carolina and Wisconsin (that information was on Joy Reid's show today), but mostly we lost because too many Americans are racist, sexist, and stupid. But then again we didn't lose; Hillary won the popular vote, so the electoral college must go. I feel better that some of you are also willing to fight, marching, and supporting the organizations that are fighting. I already support SPLC, but I'll send money to ACLU, the Anti-Defamation League, and any Democrat (so far Jeff Markley will get a check) who is making noise and trying to stop this maniac from becoming our President. I think the mental competency test could work, but if not I'm with Michael Moore on trying to impeach him before he takes office. Pence is too conservative, but at least he's sane. I sometimes would sign a post with peace, but until things change, I'm going to say, "No Peace," so No Peace, liberals.
I am working to kill the Electoral College and tracking the disposal of our public lands that will start immediately. Trump will trash this system. Sell it off. Drill it, frack it, destroy it and of course, nobody in the media is talking about it but the real target of this administration will be our public REAL ESTATE and exploiting the hell out of it.
Mary wrote: "Yes, we can talk, Virginia. But let's also act. I like what you're doing, Lisa, and I appreciate that you worked hard for Hillary, even though she wasn't your first choice. You and I and several ot..."STUPID, racist, and sexist in this order I would say. My neighbor who depends on Medicare (and I will have nothing when I get there I guess. No Medicare, no SS...it scares the sht out of me because I am not rich), he is so STUPID, he didn't even stop to think that maybe these people will destroy the social safety net he depends on. He VOTED for Trump. His face went white(r) when I asked him if he realized this...critical thinking skills anyone? Lord. He voted against his own best interests and he can't even tell me why. He wanted "change"...a piano falling out of a 20 story building on to your head is change too. So, stupidity I think should be number one on the list.
Virginia, after watching Trump on "60 Minutes" and giving myself another sleepless night, I have more hope. I think we can take him down because of his "unfit" temperament (i.e. insanity). This narcissist is extremely weak. He twice lied Sunday that he had won easily when, of course, he actually lost. He also said that he still believed that the person who won the most votes should be the President. Well, Hillary beat him by almost 2 million votes. If the Democrats keep making that point, he will go nuts. I was annoyed that the President said in his press conference yesterday that his team lost. Hell, no, we didn't! We won. More people voted for us to win the Presidency and Congress. The Republicans won everything because (as Trump would say) the system is rigged against the Democrats. Those racist, sexist, uneducated, rural whites have too much power while urban nonwhites and well-educated progressives are being disenfranchised. I was watching MSNBC at around 11:15 Pacific time, and that nice-looking white male host whose name I don't want to remember (Thomas Roberts?) claimed that the electoral college was rigged in favor of us. Fortunately, he was talking to a smart Democrat, who pointed out that it was rigged against us since both times that the winner of the popular vote lost the electoral vote (2000, 2016) the loser was a Democrat. I'm going to post an explanation of what has weakened our democracy on Google+, and the news media will take a big hit. You've reminded me of one point to include, probably second after "implicit bias," the lack of critical thinking skills. I've tweeted to various public figures, encouraging the retiring Harry Reid to join the also retiring Barbara Boxer to fight for our Supreme Court justice to be seated since we actually won the election. I've tweeted to John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and John Legend to put together an anti-Trump benefit (I suggested that they call it "Stand Up to Trump") to collect money for organizations like ACLU, SPLC, Planned Parenthood, and the Anti-Defamation League and to rattle Trump. He thinks we're going to all eventually accept him the way so many corrupt Republicans did when he surprised them by winning (with some help from the FBI and Russia) the Presidency and keeping the Senate. But if he sees that we are not going to give in and that his beloved celebrities still hate him, he will crumble and give up. I still believe that Trump never really wanted to be President; he just wanted to attend the big rallies and be on television. Sunday he talked with glee about how many people came to his last rally at 1 a.m. and then talked about being on "60 Minutes" again. Let's keep fighting until he realizes being President will not be as much fun as running for President. We'll deal with Pence after we get rid of Trump, but there's a chance that the electoral college will pick Hillary, especially if Trump resigns before they pick the winner. No Peace!
Lynn wrote: "Hi, Ladiibbug, sounds like you're in or near my town; welcome! Yes this area is mostly very conservative; in fact, I'm attending a birthday party tonite where 1 of the guests is some1 who proudly v..."Hi Virginia,
Yes, we're neighbors! Here's Google Maps (if link works). We're 1 1/2 hrs by car away. Route is like an upper case "L", with Paradise (my small town) at the top of the L, and NV City, CA at the end of the "L".
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Parad...
How did your birthday gathering go, with at least one supporter of our Racist Elect POTUS?
Re: Your post about post-election students' actions:
(((( Virginia )))) Sending hugs & thoughts of peace your way. What did the principal say?
****Thank you but I need something stronger. I did have to laugh because the wine dept of Grocery Outlet was BIZZZEEEE...
I don't know where the principal was. The woman that finally got up to stop the kids from saying, no, QUOTING, Trump was a playground monitor type. You guys have prob heard the news that this went on this week in schools all over America. I DID call the Governor's office however and am pleased that Brown is issuing a warning to all superintendents in the state that this will not be tolerated and if a school allows hate speech, the state will investigate the district. He's coming down hard on this. Good old CA.
TY so much for contacting the Governor's office. I hope you reported the incident to the principal and informed the head of the School District, so those students involved can be dealt with, hopefully in the harshest manner possible.
The Shasta (CA) High School had an incident of a student handing out fake deportation notices, which ended up in USA Today and at Cosmopolitan dot com. The Chico (CA) local news covered the incident. I emailed the high school and superintendent asking for a complete investigation, and for that student to be expelled, if he did in fact do that (even though he said it was "a joke").
The day after the election, at a high school 3 miles away, a teacher made comments in class praising the voters for electing the Racist-Elect, saying he "was glad all the illegals would be deported" and words to the effect that "the gays" would have their rights taken away. One girl recorded the comments on her phone, confronted the teacher, who apologized. (Her mom posted on a local FB group.) One of the school board members posted with his contact info. I called our local NBC TV station with the info and asked them to verify and report on this. I'm going to call the school and ask if it happened, what is being done, and email the superintendent and ask for the teacher to be fired, if this did happen.
Getting involved has made me feel less helpless. Obviously, it's just a start. I also want to get very involved in getting rid of the Electoral College.
Catching up on posts here this a.m. I had to stay away, concentrate on positive aspects of life, lots of exhausting yard work, to combat my growing depression and anxiety.
The only news I could watch was Rachel Maddow + Laurence O'Donnell.
I'm back in the Rachel fan club. She's keeping the pressure on Trump, not trying to normalize him like some of the other news folks and politicians are doing. I tweeted her and suggested that she call him the loser of the popular vote instead of President-elect. I think his unfit temperament (p.c. for insanity) is the way we will get rid of him. In fact, I'm wondering now if Bannon, Giuliana, the three oldest children, and Robotic Ivanka's husband aren't the real reason he hasn't stepped aside. When the Hollywood Access tape was released, and he was way behind in the polls, he may have gotten out if these other people who want to ride the crazy Putin puppet to power, fortune, and fame hadn't coaxed him into staying.
Mary wrote: "I'm back in the Rachel fan club. She's keeping the pressure on Trump, not trying to normalize him like some of the other news folks and politicians are doing. I tweeted her and suggested that she c..."Mary, you are SO right! The racist elect is extremely thin skinned. The media calling him 'the loser of the Popular Vote' would most likely send him into a frenzy.
RE: Electoral College
Several of us are thinking in the same directions re: E/C, ACLU, Anti-Defamation League. What do you think of separating these out into individual threads here under "U.S. Politics" to assist us in narrowing our focus? We could keep this thread too for other topics.
RE: Electoral College (E/C)
Retiring CA Senator Barbara Boxer last night on Rachel Maddow on her proposed Constitutional Amendment to end the E/C - scroll down below the LA Times article on this subject.
With Congress a majority Republican, that's not going to happen. It seems like a smarter effort to get the remaining # of state legislators to pass this, which negates the necessity of a Congressional Amendment:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-po...
Loser of the popular vote, Virginia. Unfortunately, he won the electoral college. Yes, my retiring Senator is one of the people I encouraged to fight. She and Reid are both battlers, and they are leaving, so they have nothing to lose. I saw a guy on Lawrence O'Donnell's show who said that we don't have to go through the amendment process if the electors in enough states will just agree to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote. Several states have already done that, and I think he said he needs just a few more states with something like 60 electoral votes (to make up the 270), and it's done. That's the way to go. I remember when we tried to pass the equal rights amendment in the seventies. It's almost impossible to do. Now if only we could figure out an easy way to switch the number of Senators based on population and get rid of the gerrymandered districts that give the Republicans so many house seats despite the fact that more people support Democrats.
Mary wrote: "Loser of the popular vote, Virginia. Unfortunately, he won the electoral college. Yes, my retiring Senator is one of the people I encouraged to fight. She and Reid are both battlers, and they are l..."Mary, are you still in CA? CA's state legislature is one that's passed the "get rid of the E/C".
It was me, not Virginia, who goofed on the "Loser of the Popular Vote". Thanks, post corrected.
Finally feeling depression lift as opportunities to support my/our values appear.
Walking today I decided my first step would be to mail a letter to the 45th President Elect (can't bring myself to use his name) protesting Steve Bannon's new job. A racist, anti-Semite, wife beater, who threatened her about appearing at the divorce hearing in the '90's (IIRC he threatened their children), + his disgusting website ...
Went to FB Moveon, signed up today, and voila! They have a petition already up protesting Bannon -- 272K signatures, their aim is 275K. 275K??? NO, the goal should be in the millions! I'm still mailing a letter tomorrow.
This weekend I'll join the ACLU, Anti-Defamation League & Planned Parenthood.
Did anyone see Anthony Romero, Exec. Director of the ACLU on Rachel Maddow last night (Wed)? They have 150,000 new members since the election! Membership is $20, but he said they'll take any amount.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
Okay, sorry, Virginia. Yes, I'm still in CA, Ladiibbug; we're very progressive. We chose between two Democratic nonwhite female candidates for Senator. I have a new movement that all liberals who really want to fight can join. The real problem, of course, is that the system is rigged against the Democrats. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Alaska, and the Dakotas have the same number of Senators as the most diverse and populous states--California, Texas, New York. Also, the two states that screen our candidates--Iowa and New Hampshire--are not diverse or populous. But it's hard to explain that kind of discrimination. To make our point we have to be simple, and we have to go low. So I'm using sex and television stars. The movement is #FreeCosby/LockTrumpUp. Nothing captures the racist double standard that has weakened our democracy better than the different ways these two rich, famous sexual predators are being treated. One is walking back and forth out of a courtroom while stumbling blindly, and the other is meeting foreign leaders and picking his Cabinet. I also like that the LockTrumpUp part of the movement picks up on their sexist chant about Hillary. Anyone who wants to fight, join the movement. And if you need some talking points, you know I have plenty.
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