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Nov 18, 2009 06:18AM
I agree with that. You could be right on both accounts. I think Sookie can handle herself. I mean she has very little family to take care of her. Her brother hasn't been doing that stellar of a job and her great grandfather wanted to but then he leaves. i think Sookie is just used to taking care of herself. She doesn't seem to be the damsel in distress type that is stereotypical of a Southern woman. I like stories that are less stereotypical though.
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For a good long time it was just Sookie and her grandmother . When she was little, and her grandmother was younger, Sookie got taken care of. As Sookie grew up, she did more of the taking care of. And once her grandmother died, Sookie was on her own.
I am in-love with Eric and Sookie. Bill is an a-hole. Yes, somethings were out of his control, but let's not forget when the truth came out they weren't together. He told her because Eric was gonna make him. Which I think was hard for him to do. He is always honest with her. He may not tell her everything, but he tells her everything he can. I would be so mad if Sookie ended up with Bill. Just thinking about it made me vomit a bit in my mouth.
I've been thinking about all things Sookie lately. I just finished the last book and have even started rewatching season one of True Blood. I think one of the really interesting things about Sookie as a character in the book is that she is making the men prove to her that they are worthy. She could blindly follow any of them (Eric, Bill, Alcide, Quinn, or Sam) and they would totally let her attach herself to them. But instead she comes across as a really strong woman and setting standards for these guys, even though she wants to be loved and cared for. But the standards are paramount to any momentary need. I feel like Sookie could offer relationship advice when dealing with hot, bad boys: I need to come first, don't be running back to your ex just because she called you, don't be keeping secrets from me, don't get violent with me, break things off with your ex so we can truly be together, keep your crazy mom from ruining our relationship etc...
Hahahaha I like that post Ellen. I think she should give Quinn a second chance or at least talked to him when he showed up at her house. I really don't consider Sookie and Alcide dating because one dinner doesn't mean they are "dating". I understand Eric more but I don't totally trust him. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. As much as I like it to happen, I don't think she would be with Sam. Part of me still wants Bill and Sookie back together.
Bill and Sookie. He was her first love and I think she will always be attracted to him. I don't trust Eric either.
I like to throw Eric out a window if I could. Besides, he is a vampire, he wouldn't die from it and he can fly so he would survive being pushed.
Having read all 9 books I feel sorry for Eric. I think his feelings for Sookie are probably the closest thing to love he's ever known. He got his older brother's widowed wife/hand-me-down(that he stated was willing & knew her duty). When she died his next priority was to find a wife to run the home/servants/crops/& children, for he needed to be back out raiding & other warfare. (doesn't sound like love was a requirement). But as much as Eric feels for Sookie (more then he's ever felt it seems for another) he is clueless. He expected to take her home so she could live with him & eat candy all day & have sex all night (not that that would be such a horrible prospect but Sookie wants a life). Her telepathy requires routine public interaction. And she's not big on leaving Bon Temps/grandma's house. I don't see Eric stepping down as Sheriff or leaving Shreveport, which makes her not priority # 1. (same issue as with Quinn)To look at it from a Vamps point of view.... their real relationship options are: 1-fangbangers - which don't care who they're with as long as it's a vamp.(I believe Selah was a high dollar fangbanger) 2- glamor someone - but then it's a mindless puppet (a blowup doll if you will)no real conversation/relationship. 3- vamp/sire - which seems to have no real getting to know you time, examples... Pam being jumped, Eric attacked on the side of the road, Bill in the Tv series was attacked while looking for shelter trying to go home (how could these relationships really ever last, unless there really is a super strong compulsion to do what your sire tells you to do, no escape until the sire gets tired of you & lets you go). How miserable/lonely!
After decades/centuries of being shunned, hated, & in constant hiding, while scavenging for sustenance/blood it would be a miracle not to have trust issues, or any kind of clue as to how real 2 way relationships work. Everyone you met you'd either mistrust, feared, or they'd ultimately repulse you cause they were essentially whores for your sex, blood, money and power. I think that's why Bill suggested to Sookie to go with Eric in book 1. It was a test & a usual desire for these Vamp groupies to climb the power latter.
I'm Sorry I'm such a hog but my point takes up 2 postings.Thanks for letting me vent.
Keeping in mind Bill is clueless on relationships. I believe Selah was a desperate attempt to get Sookie jealous enough to return. It backfired, but he did learn that even hurting someone (Sookie) 2 wrongs don't make a right. For she doesn't inform the Bellefleurs. Then he n Selah breakup & he remains single.
Bill at this point would give his life for Sookie, move anywhere to be with her. She's deffinetly priority #1 with Bill. Also Bill'd know he'd have no right to argue with her or be controlling like he once was, I truely believe he's a changed man. If anything Sookie could be very demanding if she wished (though that's not her style). Any questions she asked he would be totally obligated to tell the truth if he wished to keep her. I wonder if Bill n Sookie blood bonded if she could sense the depths of his devotion & sense if he ever lied to her? Personally I'd quizz the hell out of him & if he even looked like he was going to shut down & not answer I'd say "Oh No You Don't! I got staked for you,Bub! And a life long scar to prove it! I saved your life over and over! I'm not blessed with healing abilities that erase all signs of a half burnt of face. Your face/body is just as flawless as the day I met you! I'm a freakin' train wreck! Thankyou very much!"
Starling wrote: "Jayme, I'm not sure about that, but I DO know that Eric said that BILL was supposed to be taking care of Sookie when he realized that she hadn't fixed her driveway because she had lost work time do...For Eric it is the other side of good lordship. Eric expects Pam to do things for him because he is her "lord", but that also means he takes care of her."Being a "lord" for over 1000yrs (cause that was his duty when human) will be bout impossible to give up, & if he did he'd not be the same man. It eat at him subconsciously, possibly making him bitter. Sookie's not a political wife type either.
Kim, the point about Sookie not being a political wife is interesting, and very true.I think that a lot of vamps in Sookie's universe are going to be going through the steps that Bill has gone through. I think he might be ahead of the pack, but he can't be the only one who is.
Which is really going to make the Sookie universe an interesting place for relationships.
Harris does care about relationships in her various series. I know that is is one of the threads that she ties off when a series is ending, so Sookie will almost certainly end up in a relationship with someone. But I have a funny feeling we have not yet met him.
Sookie is not the typical Southern "belle" that is for sure. We just have to wait and see and enjoy the relationship ride along the way.
The funny thing is that Sookie and her family are NOT working class. The reason they were tight for money is that all of the working adults in the family had died leaving an already retired grandmother as the only adult to raise two children. Both Sookie and her brother EACH own, outright, a 4 bedroom, 2 bath house. Jason has at least some college, and I think at least a 2 year, possibly 4 year engineering, degree. Sookie tried to go to school but her out of control gift made that hard to do. When Sam goes out of town he leaves Sookie in charge of the bar. She is perfectly capable of managing the bar even early on in the series. And certainly at the end of the last book.
Sookie & Jason might have inherited a home each, but if not for the money she made hiding Eric, the property taxes and simple cost of maintaining a home where about to bankrupt her. The oil money from her parents was very little and used to raise Sookie n Jason. Her broken down car, unable to maintain the driveway, and a tree getting close to falling towards or on her home. If Sookie had any money in the bank it was going fast due to the ever reoccurring hospital stays.
No kidding, I don't remember where it says Jason has an engineering degree. Jason doesn't seem smart enough to have an engineering degree. It seems to me Jason doesn't have the book smarts.
On an earlier subject..... I too was very mad with Bill & his lying, cheating, abandonment of Sookie. But looking at the facts : he was sent on a job, probably sworn to secrecy (or understood secrecy since humans are not privileged to vampire politics), who knows what it feels like to be under a sire's compelling order & Lorena threatened to kill Sookie. Mind you Bill underestimated Sookie's conviction, & when there's a will there's a way! I do believe Bill had to learn a lesson. He Lost Sookie's trust rightfully and completely. So these couple of years have been a multitude of trials. Selah (failure), Sookie saving Bill @ the summit (showing her goodness) & repeating it by not informing the Bellefleurs. Finally Bill forsakes all others & lives a single, celibate life in a desperate wait for Sookie.
Bill is or has gone through his own personal Dante's Inferno..... gotta go through hell to get to heaven. I just hope n pray CH gives Bill that bit of heaven. I think he'd worship Sookie now!
Actually in at least Harris' Aurora Teagarden series, the "final" love of Roe was a returning ex. So there is still some hope for Bill. The love interest in the Shakespeare series was someone who was every bit as damaged as Lily was. In fact, if anyone remembers the P.I.'s who showed up to talk to Sookie? That was Lily and her love interest.
(Er, yeah, I've read everything she's written, what can I say? I'm a bit OCD.)
And what do you mean Sookie isn't a "typical Southern Belle?" I'll have you know that my Gran and great-Gran and even my Mum would disagree with that statement. They are ALL Southern Belles, and believe you me--they'd probably view Sookie as a little bit of a wimp. :o)
I don't remember if its ever actually SAID that Jason has any college--but with his job, you know that he almost has to have some. The foreman of a road crew is a management job and as such, he has to have at least some higher level schooling.
And, while he's vain and shallow--he hasn't ever done anything in the books that show that he's "stupid."
I was basing the idea that Jason had to have had some college on his job, which he could not have gotten without a degree of some sort. Possibly as little as an associates degree. And Sookie also started college, basically automatically, because that is what people in her family did.As to the fact that she is flat broke that is because the family money has run out. But the fact that there was family money means that, by definition, she is not working class.
I don;t know, I beg to differ on the degree. I mean he could have worked his way up. It is possible he may have an associate's degree. You don't need an engineering degree to be a foreman of a construction crew.
Jayme's right, granted he could have a degree and be REALLY bad ad decisions, take Mary from Seventh Heaven.
Gran's house is an old farm house with warped wooden floors. Barely the core of the house remains as it has been added on to slowly through the decades. Sookie states at one point it has never been more than a humble farm house unlike the Compton's next door. (which was in bad disrepair)I believe they've always been working class folks. Money was never a given. I don't recall Jason going to college, nor do I see him being the type to put forth that kind of effort. What money are you referring to?
And thanks Ann for the hope! I'm half way through the Aurora Teagarden series. I've read the 1st 3 Harper Connelly books, too! There's a 4th Harper that just came out, and also "Sweet and Deadly". I also have read "Wolvesbane and Mistletoe" and "Many Bloody Returns".
Kim, Sookie's grandmother raised the two children on family money from an oil well. There wasn't a lot, but she was no longer working when they came to live with her. And may never have worked.As for the whole old farm house thing, it is still a 4 bedroom, 2 bath house. It isn't, and never was, a mansion. And Sookie still owns quite a lot of the land.
Sookie's family is one that has fallen on hard times. Things used to be better and for Jason, it isn't all that bad even now. He also owns a house free and clear and the land around it.
The one stand alone I've missed is Sweet and Deadly. Sooner or later I'll get that one too.
I doubled checked the source, in the series TrueBlood, episode 7, he says that he had two years of college at VoTech and studied Landscape Technology. It never said he got a degree.
Hum... Interesting. Of course something called VoTech is almost certainly a two year school. So either an associates degree or a diploma program, but 2 years of college.
I don't debate Jason went to college but he never said he FINISHED college.
The college must be from the tv series. I don't recall it in the books, or does anybody remember which book?
Jayme, I take it that if it isn't 4 years and a Bachelors Degree it doesn't count.As for in the books, I don't know if they talk about Jason and college there at all, but I know they do talk about Sookie and college, which is why I know that she tried to go. I don't know if she managed to finish the first semester, but it was too hard. The next time I reread the series I'll look for it.
I based the idea that he had to have had some college on his job and the fact that Sookie went to college for at least one semester. In today's world if one of them went, both of them probably went.
Honestly guys, the whole idea of the hands on engineer died out when my husband retired. I'm pretty sure he was the youngest one in the entire country.
Starling, I don't think you can assume that both Jason and Sookie went to college. I think their grandmother would impress upon them to go but I don't think either of them finished.
It depends on what you mean by "finished" Jayme. Jason at least had a CHANCE at succeeding if he did go, since he didn't have the whole telepathy problem. What he would have had was trouble staying focused since he's such a major chaser. If all he did was a 2 year course, he could have "finished" it and gotten whatever the degree is. But without having 4 years under his belt.My youngest nephew took a 2 year course and, while he has his degree for that, he hasn't "finished" 4 years. He really isn't interested in going back for more, since he has a job that keeps him busy and paid well enough to get by on. My OLDEST nephew however, also started with a 2 year degree, then later decided that if he wanted to do more with his life (and support 4 kids, an ex-wife and a wife) he needed a better degree, so he went on to finish off a 4 year, then went for a Master's. The youngest nephew doesn't have any of that "Pressure" on him for a much bigger paycheck, and while he has moved out of his parents house (3 or 4 times, he keeps going back) he usually has a room mate or 2 to split costs with. But if he wanted to move up in his company, he'd have to go back and get another couple of years of college. Maybe someday, but for now, no one is pushing him.
Jason, much like my younger nephew, hasn't (until the last 2 books) had any real reason to push himself to get more education than what he needed for his job. But, I know that in one of the early(ish) books he told Sookie that he'd like to meet Alcide, because he didn't want to stay a supervisor on the roadcrew forever. So he does have SOME ambition. And, since he doesn't have mortgage payments/rent payments he might be saving some money up. Maybe not, since he's always taking his girlfriends out, but maybe. :o)
All I am saying is that they don't really make it clear whether or not Jason has a degree. Yes, he went to school but without saying it black and white on the paper, we don't know in the book and they don't say specifically in the tv series either.
Jayme wrote: "Starling, I don't think you can assume that both Jason and Sookie went to college. I think their grandmother would impress upon them to go but I don't think either of them finished. "There is a difference between going to college and finishing a 4 year degree. I believe that all I claimed was that Jason had "some college" probably up to a 2 year degree or diploma. The TV show specifically says that he "went to college" and the books do not as far as I know, although they do say that Sookie "went to college" and did not finish.
I really don't see him finishing even a two year college to get a degree.
Jayme, we are going to agree to disagree. This after all is a fictional character. If he was real he could not have gotten the job he had without those two years of college, but a fictional character can do anything the writer can get away with writing.
Um, do you ladies and gents ever get the feeling that maybe we have a little TOO much time on our hands, to be sitting and arguing if a fictional character did or did not go to college. Sometimes I worry about myself, but then I think--"Nah--there are much WORSE things I could be doing than reading and getting interested in the characters I read about." But still, it does occassionally occur to me to wonder if I do it a little too much. :o)
I agree, to agree to disagree Starling and Ann when I have time on my hands, I read. You are right, there are worse things in life than debating the lives of fictional characters. :)
