Evidence to suggest Al Qaeda was created, financed and secretly managed by the West

[James, Group Founder]

This article originally published by Global Research in 2005 sheds light on the nature of Al Qaeda, an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy, which threatens the security of the Western World.

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Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

“I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

“Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students’ punishment.

“For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: ‘You’ll be noted in ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ which meant ‘You’ll be logged in the information database.’ Meaning ‘You will receive a warning . . .’ If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Meaning ‘the decision database.’ It meant ‘you will be punished.’ For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in ‘Al Qaida.’

“In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

“It was decided to use a part of the system’s memory to host the Islamic Conference’s database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

“[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ and ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic ‘Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’ which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for “base.” The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called ‘q eidat ‘riyadh al ‘askariya.’ Q eida means “a base” and “Al Qaida” means “the base.”

“In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference’s secretariat.

“In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

“These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

“Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are ‘rogue states’ and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

“Because of the presence of ‘rogue states,’ it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the ‘rogue states’ used to fight. And the ‘rogue states’ included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

Meet “Al Qaeda”

“Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden’s personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to ‘punish’ Prime Minister Erdogan for being a ‘toot tepid’ Islamic politician.

” . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact ‘rogue states,” specially the US and other NATO countries.

” Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the ‘liberal” economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel’s case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel’s character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system “got him” for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group.

It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of “Al Qaeda.” We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel, who knew the truth about “Al Qaeda” — Another target of the neo-cons.

[Harry]

Thanks for the info. That should be a must read!

Especially with what's going on right now in Syria/Iraq etal.
ISIS, ISIL, IS... Al Queada... The 'enemy' keeps changing. The 'enemy's' name and location keeps changing. We're getting more and more used to a war that doesn't really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone's cat on YouTube is more important.

You have all read 1984, right?

[James, Group Founder]

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

I wouldn't fully agree though that war doesn't bother a lot in the West, as you said Harry. I know where you're coming from with your observation, but I think many no longer believe they can bring about change by protests anymore, so they now just stew silently. And that's understandable as millions in the West protested invading Iraq and Afghanistan and their governments completely ignored them.

So now citizens are left thinking "why bother even protesting" if expressing the will of the common people has become irrelevant.

Instead of trying to work so hard to get those who represent us to actually listen to us, maybe it's time to overthrow the bastards in power (peacefully of course!).

We need some kind of political Robin Hood to come along! Someone who refuses to take a penny in campaign support from corporations. Someone who cuts thru all the lies and BS and who just speaks basic truths that even a child could understand.

I am thinking this Robin Hood politician would enter the political scene making bold statements like "None of these wars are remotely necessary" and "The military defence budget is not for defending ourselves but rather to finance acts of aggression and terrorizing weaker peoples" and "We have become much like the facsist regimes our grandfathers fought against" and "the biggest enemies are not bearded nomads operating out of caves in Afghanistan but splinter groups within our own government" and "We need a war on poverty and a war on child abuse and a war on financial corruption long before we need a war on terror".

[Harry]

Yeah, my 'people not caring' remark was flippant, and I whole heartedly agree with all you say James. I personally believe, more or less, that half of the west are becoming dumbed down even further whilst the other half are waking up to truth even further.

Al Queada weren't even ever mentioned in mainstream news (hardly) before 9/11, just as other groups that now spring up weren't known about- but it's a complex subject.

Your sentiments above are exactly what's needed.

Y'know, on World Peace Day recently, I was meditating for peace like thousands of others around the world, and afterwards- I thought: we've got it all wrong. (As much as those meditations are beneficial as well) we shouldn't be sitting in silence on such a day. We should instead all agree to stop and chant as loudly as we can: 'Peace! Peace! Peace!...'

[Harry]

And by the way- isn't it a joy to see a seventeen year old skinny boy seeking justice, leading the new revolution in Hong Kong?

[Irene]

James wrote: "This article originally published by Global Research in 2005 sheds light on the nature of Al Qaeda, an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, whil..."

Yes it's all BS. Believe exactly 0% of what the main stream media and the government says...0%

[[deleted user]]

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually).
And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes.

And yet now there's a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

If millions of lives and trillions of dollars weren't at stake, the whole thing would be an insane black comedy of Dr Strangelove proportions.
But this ain't a movie folks, this is the world we live in.
If everyone was even half as aware as the learned members of this group, the world could quickly overcome many of its problems and move toward justice and equality.
Sadly tho, most people are blissfully ignorant and have little to no knowledge of history.

[Harry]

Well said Argon! Yeah, it's we the people who'll have to educate one another to get the world we want.

[Harry]

On a related note to this thread, RT have reported on the FBI inventing terrorists.
Apparently, since 9/11, only 11 cases of 'terrorist arrests' posed a “potentially significant” threat to the United States.
The rest of 'em are pretty much FBI entrapments to make the threat of terrorism on home ground look more worrying that it is.

http://rt.com/usa/166060-usa-fbi-terr...

[James, Group Founder]

Billy wrote: "Too many Westerners, especially Americans, don't understand that Al Qaeda was/is Sunni, which means they hate Shiite Muslims, like the Iranians. Likewise, the Islamic State is an enemy of Iran, and..."

Agreed - it is not commonly known in the West how divided Islam is.
But in my opinion what's more important for Westerners to wrap their brains around is that there is much evidence to suggest Al Qaeda was a fabricated enemy created in the West. That's a tough one for many to comprehend or even entertain the idea that the 'bad guys' supposedly behind all these wars may very well be boogey men...

[James, Group Founder]

Bin Laden's death highly suspicious in my opinion.
Check out this post here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

[Harry]

What the truth is about Bin Laden's alive or dead status is anyone's guess, but there's not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks.
A classic example of where one country just feeds something to the news (their little cabaret act in Pakistan on video and mention of some undisclosed intelligence) and lo and behold, the press and subsequently the people take it as being true.

[James, Group Founder]

Harry wrote: "What the truth is about Bin Laden's alive or dead status is anyone's guess, but there's not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks.
A classic e..."

Yeah, I 2nd that!
Nothing about that raid appeared to be reflective of a real life scenario.

[Lance, Group Founder]

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=al+...

[Catherine]

wow! interesting read. although I often wonder what other trouble the US causes...because they want to then turn around and be the heroes and "save" the world! The US, unfortunately, has a reputation for instigating problems, and then standing back and watching everything unfold. then when it all goes to shit....they jump in and say..."hey...we'll save the day" they should just sty out of everyoine else's business!!!

[James, Group Founder]

Catherine wrote: "wow! interesting read. although I often wonder what other trouble the US causes...because they want to then turn around and be the heroes and "save" the world! The US, unfortunately, has a reput..."

Agreed, because it's to the detriment of the American people that so much of the annual US budget is being spent on foreign policy and military expenditure - and so little on The People...

[Catherine]

Everything in the US is about how much military power there is. They don't really give a crap about the "common" man... I know it's not a perfect government...in fact I know there's so much corruption....but the damn republicans only care about money and who has more of it, and military arms....

Just stop causing the problem in the first place! Let everyone alone!

[Harry]

Not sure I've got this in the right thread, but please take a look at this almost unbelievable article about another fake FBI terror plot, on the back of the hype of Paris.

"This is potentially one of the most bogus and crass attempts yet, as the FBI rushes to grandstand over what appears to be another case of entrapment, joined by a media keen to push the fear envelope in America in the wake of last week’s international terror event in Paris."

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/15...

[Harry]

Jeannie wrote: "We had an incident in our city a few years back. Muslims made calls to the authorities because there was a creepy dude coming to the Islamic center who kept saying creepy stuff to peoples' kids. En..."

Very well said Jeannie. Ignorance is a problem indeed. And such infiltration and entrapment seems to be rife not only amongst Muslim groups, but with all sorts of protest groups as well, as you probably know.

[Harry]

Jeannie wrote: "Yes, among them some very scary peace activists, vegans, environmentalists.. I get the chills just thinking about my pacifist vegetarian neighbor lurking next door, with his shifty vegan eyes.. ;)"

As a shifty looking vegetarian activist myself, I am of course in cahoots with your neighbour in an underground top secret network of worldwide assassins.

[Harry]

Jeannie wrote: "Alex Jones has your number! He insists vegetarianism is part of the Illuminati plan for the NWO, because, as I'm sure you know, vegetarian activists are secretly Satanic occultists who want to weak..."

Damn, ya got me.

(Does Jones really think vegetarianism's part of a conspiracy? Ha! News to me.)

[Harry]

Thanks for the link Jeannie, and I guess it could be argued there's a partial truth in what Jones is talking about with regards to how GM has crept in and other such things, but Jones doesn't half go at stuff like a bull in a china shop!

[James, Group Founder]

Harry wrote: "Jones doesn't half go at stuff like a bull in a china shop!
..."

Subtlety ain't his strong point, Harry.

I like the way Joe Rogan impersonates Alex Jones' presenting style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbZx...

[James, Group Founder]

New video: Was Osama Bin Laden's death a hoax? -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8687...

Worth a look as there are some respected individuals in that video saying Bin Laden's death was staged/faked.

[James, Group Founder]

Ex-CIA senior intelligence officer explains how Al-Qaeda doesn't exist -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8687...

CIA veteran Michael F. Scheuer (born 1952) was an intelligence officer for over 20 years and the former chief of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit.

[James, Group Founder]

As we all know, Osama Bin Laden was assassinated by US Navy Seals in 2011.

Or was he?

...

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal, reports on a funeral notice for Osama bin Laden that was published on December 26, 2001, in the Egyptian newspaper al-Ward: http://www.globalresearch.ca/osama-bi...

Fox News, among various other international mainstream media outlets (including the NY Times, MSNBC etc), also reported on this on Dec 26, 2001 with the headline ‘Bin Laden Already Dead’: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/...

This 2001 Fox article states: “Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.”

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A 2002 article in The Tribune -- Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen (October 16, 2002) http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtrib...

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Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead -- http://www.informationliberation.com/...

In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:

• President Musharraf of Pakistan;

• Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

• Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

• President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

• Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

• Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”

In October 2008, former CIA case officer Robert Baer suggested in passing during an interview on National Public Radio that bin Laden was no longer among the living. When Baer was asked about this, he said: “Of course he’s dead.”

In March of 2009, former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled “Osama bin Elvis.” Explaining his title, Codevilla wrote: “Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his.”

[Lance, Group Founder]

An Enemy We Created: The Myth of the Taliban-Al Qaeda Merger in Afghanistan, 1970-2010

[James, Group Founder]

Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism” http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda...

[Lance, Group Founder]

US funding of Al-Qaeda in Syria http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?aid=689...

"America created and supports ISIS, al-Nusra and likeminded terrorist groups in Syria, the Middle East and elsewhere."

[Ian]

Yes, and the recent billions of dollars worth of weapons going to the Saudis will ass considerably more to the terrorist's pot.

[James, Group Founder]

The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism

A groundbreaking work of investigative journalism, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism exposes how the FBI has, under the guise of engaging in counterterrorism since 9/11, built a network of more than 15,000 informants whose primary purpose is to infiltrate Muslim communities to create and facilitate phony terrorist plots so that the Bureau can then claim it is winning the war on terror.

An outgrowth of Trevor Aaronson's work as an investigative reporting fellow at the University of California, Berkeley, which culminated in an award-winning cover story in Mother Jones magazine, The Terror Factory reveals shocking information about the criminals, con men, and liars the FBI uses as paid informants--including the story of an accused murderer who has become one of the Bureau's most prolific terrorism snitches--as well as documenting the extreme methods the FBI uses to ensnare Muslims in terrorist plots, which are in reality conceived and financed by the FBI.

The book also offers unprecedented detail into how the FBI has transformed from a reactive law enforcement agency to a proactive counterterrorism organization that traps hapless individuals in manufactured terrorist plots in order to justify the $3 billion it spends every year fighting terrorism.

[John]

And so it goes on.

Anyone who reads these threads on Underground Knowledge will be rapidly gaining the idea that the most efficient criminal organisations we have worldwide are the agencies that are supposed to protect us from criminality. And how does one fix that if they run the courts as well?

One recurrent thought I am having is the only effective remedy will come from us - all those unsuccessful people who did not get into positions of power at work. In other words a form of generalised well-informed revolutionary consciousness that becomes so widespread it eventually overturns the system. James thinks this is possible in our time. I do not.

(Well, erm ... it happened in 1789.)

[James, Group Founder]

John wrote: "One recurrent thought I am having is the only effective remedy will come from us - all those unsuccessful people who did not get into positions of power at work. In other words a form of generalised well-informed revolutionary consciousness that becomes so widespread it eventually overturns the system. James thinks this is possible in our time. I do not...."

You're kinda putting words in my mouth there, although I admit you're not far off in accurately assessing my worldview and ideas for solutions.
However, I think it's disingenuous of us to assume We the People cannot also include those who are highly successful or wealthy or hold some degree of power. There are many on the side of The People in governments, for example...Likewise in the military...However, such humanitarians keep getting steam-rolled by assholes in power...

So it's not really a case of We the People who are entirely poor, disadvantaged etc...It's rather there are heart-based, community-spirited individuals at all levels of society... Somehow we need to empower those who want to help and give a voice to those currently without a voice... To paraphrase legendary Undergrounder and author Harry Whitewolf: It's time for the underdogs to unite!

Also, I feel stage one is to make it commonly known exactly what crimes have been committed under our noses in recent decades (since WW2 especially). We cannot really find solutions for society, in my opinion, if we aren't first aware of how We the People have been victimized or taken advantage of or ignored.

[Afiena]

the citizens of most western so-called democratic nations have long held the illusion that they employed elected politicians to work for the common good, to make sure that what NEEDS to be done to enable people to live a decent life, IS done with common funds delivered by the process called taxation/ in the years since WWII this was a commonly held belief, and for some of us it may still be, but any thinking individual who has lived long enough, say, since the end of WWII, is aware of the growing stranglehold on our entire world by what I call, for lack of a better word! the global mafia, by which I mean the worldwide amalgamated criminal class that has infiltrated and is about to take over, or already has taken over, our CORPORATE world, joined by an increasing number of our top POLITICAL DECISION MAKERS entangled in the sinister global web of ruthless power and profiteering/ this time revolutions and wars will come too late to solve today's ultimate issue: the survival of our planet as a suitable home for humanity, unless...there is a, non-destructive, way to be found for all of the world's dis-empowered humans to unite and shake off the lethal load of chains that shackles us all/ we sure are in dire need of new IDEAS/

[James, Group Founder]

The underdogs are uniting now. There is hope. Hold the line :)

[Afiena]

the sunny side of social media...perhaps? :)

[James, Group Founder]

Afiena wrote: "the sunny side of social media...perhaps? :)"

Just being realistic ;)

[John]

James, My apologies for the words in your mouth. All rescinded.

So it's not really a case of We the People who are entirely poor, disadvantaged etc...It's rather there are heart-based, community-spirited individuals at all levels of society...

Okay, a positive thought and a worthy reaction. Might work.

Somehow we need to empower those who want to help and give a voice to those currently without a voice... To paraphrase legendary Undergrounder and author Harry Whitewolf: It's time for the underdogs to unite!

Ha! When and how? (The social darwinist part of me disagrees. Why are we the underdogs in the first place?)

[Jim]

They've got the guns but we've got the numbers - Jim Morrison

[James, Group Founder]

Bingo, Jim (you and Morrison too).
7.5 billion could create quite a scene if ever awoken...
#SleepingGiants

[Afiena]

mmm ... if ever awoken, AND AGREEING ON HOW a better, global, society could be built

[John]

They've got the guns but we've got the numbers - Jim Morrison

Okay, but look what happens to "the numbers" on any film about history. Revolutions are written in blood and I doubt if our current generation has much comprehension of that, let alone the balls and organisation to try for it. (Nasty thought, Hmm?)

[James, Group Founder]

Doesn't have to end in blood, tho...
Look at how the civil rights movement eventually won out in the US.
Look at how Apartheid was finally defeated in South Africa.
I could go on...In fact, the list of examples where People Power has worked all over the world (peacefully or semi-peacefully) is staggering and illustrates the possibilities...

Now coming back to the topic at hand...Read and weep:

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group - Global Research https://www.globalresearch.ca/america...

[John]

Doesn't have to end in blood, tho... Look at how the civil rights movement eventually won out in the US. Look at how Apartheid was finally defeated in South Africa.

Yes, James, you are quite right. Here's hoping.

[James, Group Founder]

John wrote: "Yes, James, you are quite right. Here's hoping. ..."

Cheers John.
And even if it's impossible...we still gotta try it anyway!

[James, Group Founder]

Pentagon Trained Syria’s Al Qaeda “Rebels” in the Use of Chemical Weapons

The Western media refutes their own lies

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, November 18, 2017
https://www.globalresearch.ca/pentago...

[Lee]

I believe the military Industrial Complex needs a boogeyman to target, real or imagined. They will create an enemy if necessary to keep the wheels of the war machine in constant motion.
There is far too much money made from war and aggressive foreign policy to even think about peace.
The average guy in the American military believes he’s fighting for “freedom”. But nothing could be further from the truth.

[Lance, Group Founder]

Lee wrote: "I believe the military Industrial Complex needs a boogeyman to target, real or imagined. They will create an enemy if necessary to keep the wheels of the war machine in constant motion.
There is fa..."

Dead right Lee. I often wonder how many returned Vets re-evaluate the fighting-for-freedom mindset afterwards - i.e. after they return from overseas postings in war zones...

[Ken]

Lee wrote: "I believe the military Industrial Complex needs a boogeyman to target, real or imagined. They will create an enemy if necessary to keep the wheels of the war machine in constant motion.
There is fa..."
agreed totally Lee, no US president hopeful would even make it into the white house, if, they had a smidgen of anti-policy against the "US war machine", there is just far too much big buisness money involved, and thousands of hands in the money bag. A complete mindset/break for change seems unlikely in our lifetimes but there is always hope, sonething has to give we can't keep going like this, we sure do live in interesting times.