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"Blame it on the corgis. They discover a bookmobile parked near Buckingham Palace and get the Queen's attention when they start yapping. Since she is every inch a queen, HRH borrows a book, a novel by Ivy Compton-Burnett even though she has previously left liking books to other people. Although she finds Compton-Burnett rather dry with the characters all sounding like each other, the fire has been lit. The Queen becomes hooked on reading; neither she nor eventually England will ever be quite the same in Alan Bennett's quietly humorous short novel THE UNCOMMON READER. The Queen discovers Jean Genet, Nancy Mitford, E. M. Forster, Emily Dickinson, Alice Munro, Proust, Charles Dickens, Dostoevsky. She has difficulty with Jane Austin because that writer is so concerned with social distinctions. She at first is put off by the verbosity of Henry James, something she has in common with any reader I have ever known ("'Am I alone,' she wrote, 'in wanting to give Henry James a good talking to?'" Later, however, James' "divagations she now took in her stride," opining that "'novels are not necessarily written as the crow flies.'" She even reads the memoirs of Lauren Bacall and is envious of her. In the beginning the Queen reads indiscriminately as one book leads to another, but she eventually becomes a very discerning reader...."
By H. F. Corbin "Foster Corbin", November 2, 2007
Bold added.
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Spent a few hours with Habegger's book this morning. Pursuing critics on PoaL/James is a virtual rat-hole warren of twists and oft-times seemingly dead ends. Habegger arrived a used book this week, so quotations will be a pain. It is not easily summarized, so I will just try to capture a few tantalizing paragraphs here.
To start: "...his basic problem was not how to build a lengthy narrative around a young woman's development. There were already thousands of such narratives, and readers loved them The real difficulty was how to keep the reader sympathetic to a heroine intentionally endowed with the instability that leads to grave self-betrayals. James addressed that problem with all his adroitness and in the process produced a work of fiction as long on beauty as it is short on moral candor. In the end he produced a diminished picture of human freedom; Isabel's treacherous servility leads to a very conservative sort of responsibility, which finds freedom only in the acceptance of traditional forms." p159
Put off by "the moralizing commentary" of Eliot's Daniel Deronda, "In both its moral reflections and its story content, James's novel was to be the antithesis of its discursive feminine forebears and rivals. Not just tactful, it was to be a deliberately unforthcoming narrative, one that carefully veils its 'views.'" p159

Tactful...unforthcoming. Yes = bland and disappointing. Not a patch on Eliot.

In my writing seminar yesterday, we had to create a character based on a character's 1) first name, 2) last name, 3) "work," 4) location, 5) marital status, 6) a secret for that person, 7) age. I found myself asking: what would a card with those attributes handed to Henry James from hence he created Isabel Archer have said? (I perversely provided "Isabel" as a first name -- after others had added the remaining six attributes, for another writer in the circle, she became Isabel Merchant, a middle aged mother....) I offer this up only to provoke thoughts about how Henry James might have created Isabel.

I think I read somewhere that Isabel just came into James' head and he formed the novel around her but of course he must have drawn on the women he had known, like Minnie.


http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n01/colm-toi...

Habegger writes to this topic, but so far I find him about as confusing and convoluted on it as PoaL is about Isabel. But still rather like fullsome, multi-layered, privileged lives with their particular eccentricities .

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n01/colm..."
Thanks, what an interesting article - and what a complicated man James was. Interesting too to learn that he had his own manipulative and deceitful side, so possibly knew Mme Merle from the inside.
I wonder if he identified with the sickly Ralph? James didn't have a real, serious illness but possibly, from this article, wished he did...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a...


Why's that, Lily?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/47...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/47..."
Thanks! Wished for more, but enjoyed that much.

Why's that, Lily?"
Don't know if I can explain myself readily, Wendel. But it feels to me that James tried to nudge the world as strongly as Murakami does his. But James was or allowed himself to be constrained by the Puritanical and Victorian imposed cultural and social boundaries of his time. His background did not allow him to transgress the barriers he to some extent placed on himself, as if he dare not be his own views without veiling -- whether widow's or bride's -- at least in public.
It seems to me PoaL is a strong appeal, from a very different direction than say Hardy's Jude, for the need for different divorce and property laws than existed, for example. I see Galsworthy's Irene in a similar vein. But this is all a long way from the public issues of today, where I perceive James could have been comfortable.
Perhaps I say this because I know the distance my own life has traveled from its strict, conventional origins. I perceive I see James's struggle with what he may not even consciously recognize that he wishes he might say out loud, as Murakami can. And would goad James to do, if they were alive and writing concurrently? But two world wars and a post-colonial global economy do lie between the two men.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=I-...

I’ll keep that in mind, though, based on PoaL alone, I wonder. To me James seems rather a 'detached' than an 'engaged' author (and so does Murakami - based on KotS alone).
It's my impression that different family laws would not have changed Isabel’s fate. On the other hand, New England Puritanism is not likely to produce another Isabel today.

I think it is difficult for us in these more enlightened times to imagine what enormous constraints homosexuals were under in James' time when fear of exposure, ostracism and imprisonment haunted them every day of their adult lives. I can forgive James' a lot when I think of this and after reading the extract from James' Thwarted Love above.

Wendel -- I don't know that it was detrimental, but I think it made his texts far more circuitous. The language and structure itself had to hide even as it revealed. What a challenge to the mind and the words conveyed to the page to be printed and circulated and read! And yet the world itself probably needed and called forth those who could do just that. I think I am beginning to truly have a sense of why his novels are considered one of the transition points from the Victorian to the "Modern."
One silly example:
"...It was perhaps his want of imagination and of what is called the historic consciousness; but to many of the impressions usually made by English life upon the cultivated stranger his sense was completely closed. There were certain differences he had never perceived, certain habits he had never formed, certain obscurities he had never sounded. As regards these latter, on the day he had sounded them his son would have thought less well of him."
James, Henry (2011-02-07). Complete Works of Henry James (Illustrated) Chapter 5 of PoaL. (Kindle Locations 34070-34073). Delphi Classics. Kindle Edition.
In the long, rambling meditative like passage of father about son of which this is the latter part, I found myself laughing when I reached the last sentence, wondering if a virile man of Victorian England whose wife was clearly not regularly part of his daily life, wasn't expressing his unwillingness to share with his loved, upright, but ill, son his own use of prostitutes to serve the sexual needs of his life. Do I make this up? Perhaps! But because this is James, I rather doubt it. We know the straightforwardness such a topic might have today. Yet the caring about a respected relationship with son has something so fetching about it. All captured, or at least hinted, in a sentence that is throw-away in terms of the overall arc of the story.

Can we attribute the transition to 'modern' to James when his circuitness was due more to his personality/orientation than to a conscious effort to create a new style. Joyce was experimenting, I am not so sure that James was.

Yes! The quotation is from Chapter 5 where elderly Daniel Touchett is rambling on about himself and his son Ralph -- I don't know the proper writerly term for the "voice" James is using here.
Can we attribute the transition to 'modern' to James when his circuitness was due more to his personality/orientation than to a conscious effort to create a new style. Joyce was experimenting, I am not so sure that James was."
I don't know that James deliberately tried to create a break or new style. But that subtle mind of his went places the (recent) past had been unwilling or unable to go or at least acknowledge openly, and it felt the strain of those cultural boundaries and barriers, but tried to express itself within those constraints, even perhaps to reconcile. That may be a bit grandiloquent, but it is kind of what I am trying to say. Joyce and Lawrence, a few years later, were willing to overturn the tables and challenge more directly the hypocrisy.
(Personally, there are elements of my background and personality that make James [sometimes] more fun to probe and analyze and revisit than Joyce. Then again, I lose patience with either of them.)

Madge - I’ve been fooled too often by authors writing about things which they were unlikely to have experienced themselves. So I am not convinced that the lack of passion in PoaL should be attributed to James' sexual preferences. On a more abstract level however, I can accept the idea that his ironic distance has something to do with sexual homelessness.


"But more than just a story about a story, Gorra's book presents Henry James and his writing as truly ground-breaking, paving the way for the likes of James Joyce, Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence in the 'original' use of a character's self-consciousness, and in the presentation of a novel not as a series of events that toss the characters here and there, but as the study of 'character' that must respond to, or act upon, life as it happens -- choices that are made that spring from the person's character."
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

The phrase 'stream of consciousness', was coined by William James, who wrote Principles of Psychology in 1890. Henry James worshipped his elder brother and was obviously influenced by his study of psychology.
'By calling consciousness a stream, James meant that human consciousness is something fluid; it is an unbroken current of feelings, impressions, fantasies, half-formed thoughts, and awareness in general. Consciousness is a continuity like time, and it is independent of time. At any given instant of time, an individual’s consciousness may not be entirely concerned with the present. He may be living through an experience of the past or fantasizing about the future. The clock of subjective consciousness is independent of the mechanical clock-time. The stream-of-consciousness novelist tries to render the consciousness of his characters in its fullness (not excluding even its pre-verbal component) without the least authorial intervention and without ordering it into logical, lucid, and even grammatical narrative.' (Wikipedia.)
However, IMO, the 'stream-of-consciousness' novelists are much more indebted to Freud and Jung than to James or Joyce. Freud’s theories of sexuality, unconscious, repression, and dreams, Jung’s of collective unconsciousness, myth and archetype created the right environment for the ideas which nurtured the stream-of-consciousness novelists. This is a classic case of all 'standing on the shoulders of giants'.
Freud had a great influence too on the psychological (Oedipal) themes in the novels of both Dosteovsky and Turgenev both of whom he met in Paris and Henry James was a great admirer of Turgenev to whom there is a tribute in the Preface of PoaL. There are critics who see Isabel's bildungsroman in the novel as an Oedipal conflict. Certainly James himself had Oedipal issues which seem to have influenced his writing.
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