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Sharon Tate posing with Dr. Saperstein for Wojciech Frykowski


Danny DeCarlo, who helped the police nail the Manson Family; he spent 8 gruelling days on the witness stand


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Johnny Ussery, who believes that his mom and grandmother -- Clida Dulaney and Nancy Warren -- were killed by Clida's husband at the time, the father of the baby she was carrying. Johnny's stepdad, to whom he refers only as "that cop," was a California State Highway Patrol officer. If Ussery is correct this is not a Manson murder at all, although I can see why they thought so when you read about the crime scene. Vincent Bugliosi mentikned this case towards the end of Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders, asking whther the m
Manson family might be behind it.


Clida -- here spelled "Clyda" -- Dulaney


very unclear photo of Clida next to one of her mother, Nancy Warren, the other victim in the case -- Johnny found them both dead one morning at the age of 8


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James and Lauren Willett -- probably -- with their infant daughter Heidi.

James and Lauren were Manson family members thought of as possible suspects in the possible murder of Manson Family attorney Ronald Hughes, who went camping one weekend during the trial with a young couple named James and Lauren (Forsher?), who hiked out of the camping area after a heavy rain. Hughes wanted to stay behind. Hughes was never seen alive again after having a brief conversation with some other campers. He was exposed to the elements so long after his death that no cause could be established. Nothing was clear.


Manson Family attys Daye Shinn, Irving Kanarek and Ronald Hughes -- that guy tucked behind Hughes is unknown to me

The other Lauren and James, the Willetts, were later found murdered. Two men who were associates, but not members of the family, were adjudicated for that crime. They both belonged to the Aryan Brotherhood, a prison gang that eventually went national both inside and outside the prison system.


James Craig and Michael Monfort headed to trial for the murder of Jim Willett


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Leno and Rosemary LaBianca -- a much nicer photo than the unflattering ones they usually use, and much, much nicer than the hideous crime-scene photos of them


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Fishface | 18948 comments John Philip Haught, aka "Zero."



That postmortem photo of him that everyone saw in Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders looked nothing like this man for a good reason. Someone thought the best way to present an image of Zero for Bugliosi's book was to take his death photo and draw eyes over his closed eyelids. I always thought there was something unnatural about that image and it was only much later than I learned why. It's a fair statement that he was even scarier-looking in life than in that picture, which was taken of him after he died "playing Russian roulette," with a fully-loaded gun that was clean of fingerprints.

Look into this man's eyes. What could possibly have been going through his mind?

EDIT: Not one, but two photo lineups posted on the next page identify this guy as Robert Murray. A Family member, but not poor old Zero.


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Fishface | 18948 comments Gibby Folger in a yearbook photo that captures something of her personality:



The caption reveals that she died just an eyeblink before her 26th birthday. She had just bought herself a nice new yellow Schwinn that was delivered the day she died. She never got a chance to ride it, if I'm remembering right.


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Kitty Lutesinger, Bobby Beausoleil's girlfriend


Mugshot of Family member Bill Vance, t/n David Lee Hamic, possessor of the unimaginable pubic-hair vest. He is the one who found the Manson Family the house they called the "yellow submarine." Always with the Beatles references.


Larry Bailey, a Family member who helped try to break Manson out of prison.


A Manson girl training -- topless -- in desert maneuvers for the coming of Helter Skelter. The url says this is Gypsy (Catherine Share), but the caption says it is a photo of Mary Brunner. It looks more or less like Mary, nothing at all like Gypsy.


Sandy Good, a true believer who was still running ATWA, Manson's website, decades after he was jugged for murder and conspiracy to commit murder. That dress she's wearing is adorable.


Catherine Gillies


Steve Grogan, aka Clem -- the only Manson Family murderer to have been paroled in all this time. Paul Watkins learned the details of Shorty's murder from Clem who was so traumatized he could not stop talking about it. He was quoted in My Life with Charles Manson as saying he'd never seen so much blood before.


Barbara Hoyt, who survived a murder attempt by the Mansons, and later befriended Sharon Tate's sister


Dianne Lake, only 14 when she joined the Family after her parents, who belonged to an entirely different hippie commune, abandoned her to seek God or some nonsense like that. Paul Watkins initially joined the Family because of his attraction to Dianne, who he may or may not have realized was well below the age of consent.


Dennis Rice, a latecomer to the Family who became an extremely hardcore member. He drove Ruth Ann Moorehouse and Barbara Hoyt to the airport where Barbara was poisoned with a massive dose of LSD in a hamburger.


Bruce Davis, L, with fellow Family member Steve Grogan. The guy walking behind and between them with the grim expression looks uncommonly like the salutatorian of my graduating class in high school.


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"Shorty" Shea with his wife, Magdalena Fuery. The flowers and the white dress make me think this could be a wedding photo. Manson disapproved of interracial marriages.

Magdalena got away from the Manson family with her skin intact, but Shorty was found in 1977 right where Steve Grogan told them to look, missing his head and his hand. Yeah, just like Jim Willett.


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Dean Moorehouse, Manson Family member. Depending on whose version of events you believe, Dean either became indoctrinated by Manson when trying to extricate his daughter Ruth Ann from the Family, or joined up first and brought her in later. Dean, like Gibby Folger, was a social worker. Unlike her he was also a minister. One rather wonders how you can ever convince a minister that the scruffy, homeless pimp before him is simultaneously Jesus Christ and the Devil.


Ruth Ann, aka "Ouisch"


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Roman and Sharon on their wedding day, flanked by Sharon's martial arts instructor -- Bruce Lee himself! -- and her ex-fiance, Jay Sebring, who died trying to defend her from the Mansons.


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Wojciech Frykowski, a friend of Roman Polanski's since they were both still living in Poland after WWII. When asked by a reporter how long Frykowski lived at the Cielo Drive house, he answered, "Too long, I guess."


3 of Frykowski's surviving family, flown in from Lodz for the trial: his mom, Teofila, brother George, and 12-year-old son Bartek.


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Steve Parent. So hard to come up with biographical details when he'd hardly gotten a start on his life.


Juanita Parent, Steve's mom, at the trial -- she only lived until 59 and I suspect she died of a broken heart.


Steve with his dad, William


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Rudy Altobelli, the owner of the house on Cielo Drive


William Garretson, Altobelli's hired caretaker for the Cielo house; he was oblivious to the fact that a massacre was taking place outside the cottage where he lived and that the acquaintance he had just served a beer to, Steve Parent, was the first to die; in turn the killers were oblivious to him


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Terry Melcher, the man who was the target of the initial terrorist attack by the Mansons at the Polanski residence


Candice Bergen with her then-boyfriend Melcher; she was the one who strung the Christmas lights on the fence and kept them lit all year long at 10050 Cielo Drive, a tradition the Polanskis apparently decided to continue


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Witold Kaczanowski, L, shown here with his translator. He was put in protective custody after the Manson murders because he thought he was next. He was supposed to have been at the house that night. His report was a major reason for the "drug burn" theory of the murders even though next to no drugs were found at the Cielo Drive house. In the fullness of time, Manson's killers even explained that on the nights of the killings they were ordered to stay clean of drugs.


Witold K, just hanging out


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Paul Watkins, who was Charlie's real "right-hand man," totally indoctrinated; believed with all his being that Helter Skelter was coming. He left the Family because he was scared of all the violence coming down, but after Charlie's arrest he returned to step into Charlie's shoes as group leader. After he nearly burned to death in an unexplained fire, he left for good.


Brooks Poston (L) with Paul Watkins. Brooks was very low on the Manson Family totem pole and spent most of his time shovelling horse manure and doing other jobs nobody else wanted to do at Spahn. He never complained, but when Paul Crockett came along, he seemed happy to leave with him. Paul W. caught up with them later; Crockett deprogrammed them both. They started a band called Desert Sun and played gigs around the Southwest for years.


Paul Crockett, who was travelling the West mining for gold at the time he ran across Brooks Poston and Paul Crockett, was an extremely well-read man. He had a lot of books on spiritual subjects under his belt by the time he came across the Manson family. He could skate circles around Charlie without ever trying to set himself up as anyone's guru.


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Marina Habe may have been murdered by the Manson Family.


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Dennis Wilson called his encounter with the Mansons "the biggest gonorrhea bill in history;" only later would he learn how lucky he'd been to get away from them alive after making them angry at him. I'm still astounded that Charlie didn't off every one of the Beach Boys for recording one of his songs without giving him credit for it.


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Bernard Crowe, very lucky to be alive after being gutshot by Manson.


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Tex Watson, Manson's chief assassin, who always had really bad hair no matter what else was going on.


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Bill Tennant, who identified the bodies at the Cielo Drive house, then ran outside and lost his lunch.


Diane in Australia | 640 comments Thanks, Fish, what a lot of effort you must have put into this post. Much appreciated.


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Fishface | 18948 comments It's easy at the library with a computer. I can't make it work at all using my phone. Wish I understood what I'm doing wrong.

And what a phantasmagoria of websites I'm finding using Google Images!


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Stephen Kay, the Manson Family prosecutor who, in happier times, dated Leslie Van Houten


Aaron Stovitz, Manson Family prosecutor not known to have dated any member of the Family


Vincent Bugliosi, always happy to be the center of attention, who dined out for basically the rest of his life on the Manson case


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Linda Kasabian, star witness for the prosecution who was present at the scene of the Cielo Drive murders -- but probably only because she had a valid driver's license.


Linda speaking at a conference after her 18 days on the witness stand. She remained rootless and drug addled for the rest of her life, eventually depending on her daughter Tanya, a drug dealer known to the police as "Lady Dangerous," for support of her, um, lifestyle.


Linda in her later years


At center is Bob Kasabian, Tanya's and Angel's father. The marriage to Linda only lasted 6 months according to Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties but they still managed to get 2 children out of that deal.


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Fishface | 18948 comments Sharokh Hatami, Sharon Tate's personal photographer who dedicated a website to photos of his favorite subject after she died. (And after someone, probably Al Gore, invented the Internet.)



He gave evidence in the investigation. Not that long before the Cielo Drive murders he ordered a creepy-looking man off the property, a man he thought was probably Charles Manson. The guy came to the front door demanding to see Terry Melcher. Hatami informed him "This is the Polanski residence." Sharon Tate was standing behind him and saw the man who may later have been the one who ordered her death.


(Hatami with Sharon and Roman before disaster struck)


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Three Manson girls -- I recognize Sandy Good at the L -- with Charlie's ceremonial vest, worn variously by Charlie, Bruce Davis and Paul Watkins, and embroidered by most of the women in the group. It had layers and layers of scenes from the Family's adventures on it. I think that's Kitty Lutesinger at the other end but I'm not at all sure who's in the middle. Catherine Share maybe???


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Sadie

Katie


LuLu


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Virginia Graham, t/n Ronnie Howard, an important witness in the case...



...and her memoir


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Vickie | 4 comments Just finished the book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and The Secret History of the Sixties. Wondered if you had read it and what you thought of it? It was very interesting, learned a lot of things I was not aware of.


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Fishface | 18948 comments I am almost in the middle of it. Utterly gripped by it for so many reasons. Koren read it, and curiously said it was overly detailed so she skipped a lot of it, but also gave it four stars, so I'm puzzled...


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Vickie | 4 comments Fishface wrote: "I am almost in the middle of it. Utterly gripped by it for so many reasons. Koren read it, and curiously said it was overly detailed so she skipped a lot of it, but also gave it four stars, so I'm ..."

It was very detailed but I thought it was great let me know how you like it when you finish!


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Bobby Beausoleil was and is a great-looking guy, but not exactly a criminal mastermind.


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Winifred Chapman, the maid who came to clean the Cielo Drive house, saw Gibby Folger and Wojciech Frykowski lying dead on the lawn, and ran screaming to the neighbors to call the police. William Garretson was still fast asleep in the guesthouse. Behind Mrs. Chapman you can see Squeaky Fromme.



Winifred Chapman sitting with Paul Tate, Sharon's father, on her right, someone whose name I can't make out to her immediate L (Garretson???) and at the far end from Mr. Tate is William Parent, Steve's dad. They are waiting for that day's trial proceedings to get underway.


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Diane in Australia | 640 comments That baby picture of Manson just cracks me up! ... lol




Diane in Australia | 640 comments Here's a larger copy of that photo. It says that man is Dennis Hearst.




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Just two thoughts: Linda Kasabian did not age well.

Sharon Tate was absolutely beautiful.


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Fishface | 18948 comments Diane wrote: "Here's a larger copy of that photo. It says that man is Dennis Hearst."

The name does ring a very faint bell. Does anyone remember who he is?

Sharon Tate was indeed very, very beautiful. I wonder what she would look like today if she were here to celebrate her son Paul's 50th birthday in a few weeks?

I wonder what Paul would have looked like?


Diane in Australia | 640 comments In this second episode of AUGUST 69, Dennis Hearst discusses his visit to the Cielo Drive residence of Sharon Tate just hours before she and others were murdered, and the testimony he provided during the Tate-Labianca murder trial that followed. This is the first media interview Mr. Hearst has granted on his connection to these events in 50 years.

https://www.blogtalkradio.com/moviege...


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Fishface | 18948 comments TY! I have heard that dozens of people claim they were supposed to be at the Cielo Drive house and left just before the Family arrived, or changed their minds at the last minute. Finally someone who was the real thing.


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Fishface | 18948 comments In this post I'm trying to follow the curious tradition of TC writers who try to include baby or school-yearbook pictures of all the people involved in committing, witnessing, investigating, testifying about or prosecuting some sort of hideous crime.


Gary Hinman


Roman Polanski


Sharon Tate


Bobby Beausoleil


Susan Atkins


Steve Parent with his mom, Juanita


Leslie Van Houten


Zezozoze Zadfrack Glutz


Patricia Krenwinkel


Heidi Willett, only survivor of her immediate family after the Mansons got through with them


Little Ruth Ann Moorehouse


Valentine Michael Manson, now Michael Brunner, with his mom Mary Brunner

Sorry, guys, I couldn't find baby pictures of Vincent Bugliosi or Jay Sebring or a few other key figures. But here's Charlie one more time because he is so irresistible:




Diane in Australia | 640 comments Not exactly a baby picture, but the youngest I could find.



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Fishface | 18948 comments Wow, he even had his hair in that one! Now find me one of Juan Flynn!


Diane in Australia | 640 comments Fishface wrote: "Now find me one of Juan Flynn!"

Since he was born in Panama, I doubt I'll be able to do that! ... lol


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Fishface | 18948 comments I can't even find one of Shorty Shea. In almost every photo he's a balding cowpoke with a five-o'clock shadow.


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