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Celaena & Rowan ~ Pairing Discussion
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If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, because god forbid you keep spiteful things to yourself, but could you just.. go away? Your opinion has been noted and now I am disregarding it because you just called SJM creepy and I refuse to even acknowledge your presence on this planet after I post this because of how completely and utterly ignorant and WRONG you are. An author is allowed to have her own favorite characters because, hey, guess what, SHE CREATED THEM. You can try to ruin the good mood now that QoS is out and ROWAELIN IS FINALLY CANON, and your attempts have been valiant, but now it's time for you to leave so we can get back to celebrating a beautiful, healthy, loving relationship. Bye, Polly! :)
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ROFL This thread is freaking hilarious right now. I don't agree that Sarah is creepy but we definitely shouldn't be cursing at eachother. Just think about what you want to say and be respectful. I have seen multiple different comments that I do NOT appreciate or agree with since QoS came out but I choose to comment to the people I see as reasonable and/or like the book as I do. Please think about this before spamming any other hateful things towards eachother. <3
Hey guys, can we go back to talking about the ship again? I personally don't mind the talk about Sarah as I enjoy reading it but I don't like conflict very much so could we go back to talking about the book and ship please? (PS I'm not on anyone's side I just hate conflict)Im sooooo happy that Rowaelin is finally canon. I was like YASSSSSSSSSSS. I think this is aelins final partner. What do you guys think?
Sure thing! @Keely : What's your favorite Rowlin moment? I think mine is the oil scene with Arobynn. I laughed so hard xD
Keely I agree with you and lol that sene. Priceless. But my favorite moment is when Rowan was telling Awlin that all those years he's been looking for her. And when he shuts the door in Aedion's face. Lol
OMG I have that scene as one of my favorite quotes! I LOVED when he said he had spent his whole life looking for her.....Beautiful! T_T
THAT SCENE OH MY GOD. It shot me right in the feels. I also liked the biting scene ;) It was pretty fantastic.
Yes! I loved what the biting scene represented. I mean yes it was hot but what I really loved was that she TRUSTED him to do that. It was her submitting to him in a way that only a Fae would, and to me that made the scene amazing. *sigh* Rowlin....
Yes!!!! Their dynamic is just fun to read about. You see her let him bite her but then she can totally turn his world upside down in a moment; and they also support each other and care about the other. I just love them.
Jessica wrote: "If you don't fall in love with your own characters, then why write about them? I write all the time, and I obsess over my characters. Why obsess over actors when you can't really date them? Why obs..."I love Sarah J Maas, and I want her to keep writing the ToG books, so I apologise if I offended you in anyway :)
Also, I'm all about the Rowaelin ship !
Also, Sandra, I apologise. I'm not "bashing" the author (she's one of my favourite authors) but I have an opinion. But I am sorry for what I said that made you upset.
My favourite moment would have to be the oil one with arobynn. I was like `HAHAHAH and the other people in my class were staring at me weridly lol. I personally love the new book and seeing their relation ship develope. I know it sounds werid but one of my other favourite scenes is when aedion finds out rowan already took the blood oath. I dont know why and it has barely anything to do with the topic but yeah lol. :)
Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, because god forbid you keep spiteful things t..."I'm not bothered if SJM has her favorite characters, every author does. What i don't like is how she obsesses over him. how all the characters think Rowan is amazing and how SJM tries way to hard, telling us how he's perfect and beautiful, he's pretentious and boring. my opinion. i think SJM is a good writer but she has gone all creepy over Rowan. the romance was so forced and was not healthy, loving or beautiful. in HOF he's abusive and cruel and near the end he says shes worthless and should of died wtf that unforgivable in my eyes.fan girls will moan at Chaol for calling Aelin a monster (which is true, she insane, unpredictable and vindictive) but wave off how Rowan treated her. in QOS the relationship is so forced creepy and pointless. why do we need loads of scenes with them in bed? when i would of liked to of seen a more climatic ending to Arobynn and see more in to the kings character we don't even know his name four books in. it's sad how these books can be sold as fantasy when they're not even close to epics like GOT, king killer chronicle and storm light just to list a few. if you want a cool badass character read them and you will realise how shit Rowan whitethorn is.
Keely wrote: "My favourite moment would have to be the oil one with arobynn. I was like `HAHAHAH and the other people in my class were staring at me weridly lol. I personally love the new book and seeing their r..."Haha, yes I agree, that was so funny, especially when Rowan was like this to Arobynn "I put on the oil too" . It's very satisfying to see (as you said) the relationship between Aelin and Rowan grow and develop, they are my favourite ship :) can't wait for what Sarah will have in store for us in book no.5 !
Aelin will never forget Sam, but I think she's gone past mourning anymore. (view spoiler). I think Rowan shone a torch in her darkness.
Cecilia wrote: "Keely wrote: "My favourite moment would have to be the oil one with arobynn. I was like `HAHAHAH and the other people in my class were staring at me weridly lol. I personally love the new book and..."Yes! I loved that part. Also when he banged his knee on the table because she wasn't wearing any underwear. That seriously made me burst out laughing.
Their connection is so strong! They can basically understand each other's thoughts just by eye contact.
Plus, I think Rowan really completes Aelin. She's very spontaneous and emotionally unstable, whereas he has a lot of control and *obviously* a very serious side of his personality. So he can help her through those mental phases, and she can lighten him up.
They are just sooooo cute!!! Ah, it makes me so fuzzy inside whenever I think of their flirting. He was always so shocked at how scandalous she could be.... Awwwwwww!
Girls... I don`t know how can I start throwing my love for this ship.What I LOVE of this relationship is that is so funny their flirting! I always prefer the funny relationships than the sikish ones. Everyime Aelin tried to shock him had me laughting for hours!
Also, when Rowan told her that, even unconsciously, he had always been looking for her. (Plus this reinfoce my theory that he was not really absolutley in love of Lyria) It was great!
For me:
The sweetest moment is when Aelin practically told him that he`s her world. And obviously when he told her he had always been looking for her.
The funniest moment is every damn time when Aelin drove him crazy and put him to the test.
I still can`t choose a fav moment but you can be sure that the one with the gold nightgown was amazing!
PD 1: Somebody (don`t remember who) said that she/he dislikes that in this book Rowan acts like a teeneger. I disagree. Firts because we never read a Rowan PoV about his feelings toward Aelin. Second because, I do think that is awsome when an adult falls in love so deeply that he/she starts acting like a teen. Is good. If love can`t be crazy and passionate like a teeneger, then what`s the reason to feel it? SO I SO DAMN LOVE EVERYTIME HE LOOKED AT AELIN`S BODY AND COULDN`T EVEN TALK. Love makes you younger, loves makes you happier. If you don`t believe me, then look at some adult in his/her 30`s or 40`s and you`ll see the lovely expression in his/her face.
PD 2: What`s the trouble with passion? Honesty, what`s the problem if Rowan loves to see Aelin`s naked body? Is a guy!!!! (I think he will love touch it, by the way)
PD 3: Love them joking and flirting and everything.
PD 4: I can`t wait to read about the development of their romance.
Plus... I loved him more with short hair. Don`t know why but I just couldn`t picture him with long hair.
Finally....
10 points to Rowan, just for being probably one of the few, really really few guys in the planet that grasp his fists and take cold showers just to wait for the ideal moment for the most amazing, romantic and passionate night with the girl he loves.
I think it's bs anyone would discount what Rowan felt for Lyria. That's akin to saying Aelin didn't really love Sam. C'mon get serious. Just bc you want a ship to fly and be endgame or whatever, doesn't negate nor diminishes the previous loves of other's lives.Furthermore, I think 300+ year old Rowan knows his mind and heart more than anyone else does to know what that since Lyria's Death, the loss of his mate, Aelin has been what he has been looking for. That does not discount his previous relationship with Lyria. Nor does he renounce that she was really his mate.
Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, because god forbid you keep sp..."I'm confused how they're relationship is creepy in QOS.... I loved it and wanted more. I felt like in HOF he was a dick, but I think he had the wrong perception of her, and thought of her as a spoiled princess, when he got to know her better and why she acted the way she did, he understood and they grew closer and he wasn't a dick anymore. When she showed her true self to Chaol, he called her a monster. When Rowan discovered her true self, he fell in love with her.
Rachel wrote: "Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, because god forb..."The whole romance makes me feel sick. like i said it's just so forced and came out of no where.
My opinion. i don't know how she let Rowan in her heart when he said something so cruel. i felt like Aelin was provoking Chaol to be honest. they were both being so nasty so if anyone who thinks Chaol doesn't deserve her lets just say they don't deserve each other.
and Chaol calling her a monster seemed ooc to me im pretty sure in hof he accepted her. but when the authors wants her ship to sail (aelin and rowan) its going to happen just make everyone hate Chaol and make Rowan boringly perfect and all the fan girls will get on maas wet dream.
and just one last thing on how Rowan treated Celaena in hof. he said some really cruel stuff that even Chaol has never said anything like. yet Aelin forgave him easily. the mistakes Chaol made and yet she could not forgive him for that when what Rowan said was far worse than anything Chaol ever did because Rowan was horrible on purpose Chaol when he made his mistakes didnt know anyone would be harmed.
Noris wrote: "Agree Jessica. Am I the only one that (avoiding the subjetive things like how damn great is Rowan) this guy was the logical option??? Dorian and Aelin couldn't be together at least she could over..."
agree. logical
Rachel wrote: "Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, because god forb..."It's a bit creepy bc it went from this very friendly and deeply intimate connection between he and Aelin to extremely innuendo and lust filled whenever reading in Rowan's, and to a degree, Aelin's pov. The complete 180 in that regard made it come across as heavy handed as hell with a "THIS IS AELIN's NEW LOVE, IT IS CANON AND IT IS TRUTH" sort of vibe. Less is more.
Maybe if I'd had reread HoF over before starting QoS I would feel differently. I liked Rowan a lot in HoF, and I even said I would ship him with Aelin, but I don't know., QoS made it feel forced on me for some reason.
Stephanie wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, b..."Oh see I totally felt like there was so much sexual tension in HOF! I was shipping them right after reading it. I liked Chaol better than Dorian as a love interest, but something always bothered me about him. Even before Rowan was introduced. I'll have to go back and reread TOG and COM to remember what it was exactly.
For the people who doubt Aelin and Rowans relationship. I have a couple of things to say…1. I do agree with you the relationship Aelin and Rowan had at the end of HoF does feel a little different from the one in QoS. I felt it was more raw or something in HoF even with all the steamy scenes in QoS.
But having said that I have to wonder if Aelin converting back to Celeana during her time in Rifthold might be throwing us of a bit. I've thought it over and that the only thing I can come up with .Aelin had to become Celeana again and those brief moments we all loved (The revealing of the neck moment, her gazing at Rowan and hand holding in front of Arobynn, and the stand off between Rowan and Lucian at knife point…those moments are pure Aelin…not the mask). I think its her toggling between Aelin/Celeana that is messing with the sincerity were are not quite understanding.
2. To those people that don't understand the ship of Aelin and Rowan and are critizing Sarah for changing her mind or letting the characters speak for themselves….I encourage you to read the Novellas and compare her relationship with Sam to that of Rowan. I find they are remarkably similar: the warrior respect, the teasing, the denial of any relationship or feelings, heck even the abstinance…take the time to look you'll see.
Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Polly wrote: "Rachel wrote: "If you don't like the ship why are you commenting in the thread for them? Just curious. Like I get it, your super special opinion just HAS to be heard, b..."How was she provoking him? I'll have to go reread COM, but I didn't remember anything in QOS where she provoked him. I do agree that Chaol's character in QOS felt different than in the books before. I wasn't really expecting him to be such a jerk, but I read someone say in a different thread that everything that happened with Dorian and Sorsha effected him and he wanted someone to blame and be angry at and he chose Celaena. So I can kind of see how that'd change him, but personally I didn't think he needed to react that way for Aelin to still choose Rowan and be in love with him now. I do kind of think SJM did that to make us hate Chaol a little bit.
I agree with you, Rachel. For me it was because Chaol is very much his father's son. He's judgmental and entitled from the ToG onward. It really struck me hard when he barged into Celaena's room after Nehemia died and went through the paperwork sitting on the table. This is only one instance, of course, but I think you see where I'm coming from. Nor did he allow himself to see Celaena too deeply. I honestly believe Chaol sent her off to Wendlyn, first and foremost because he could no longer reconcile the truths he came to see in her, and her safety was secondary. Chaol greatly feared Celaena throughout the series until the end of QoS, where he was finally able to accept all of her as well as Dorian. His treatment of Nestryn before he left for Endovier is further proof that he only sees what he wants to see.
Agree Jess. Plus, I`m not denying the love Aelin felt for Sam, not even the love Rowan felt for Lyria. What I mean is that, Rowan x Aelin is a totally different kind of love. I mean, it would have been great if Aelin and Sam would have been together because (nothing against Chaolena) this was real love. However, this was platonic just because Sam died and nobody (and I hate this part cause I loved Sam) could see the development of the relationship. And about Rowan. He loved Lyria, however he never felt he was able to deserve her. In Rowan`s eyes, she was too good to him. Is logical. She sold flowers while he was killing and standing in front of bloodsheds. With Aelin everything is different, they`ve walked through similar ways, there`s no reason to be ashamed cause the other really understands your life. So, this create two different as hell relationships: the one which you always feel shame and feel bad because you always think you don`t deserve it and... the one which you feel complete cause there`s no awkward moments, there`s no shame and no regrets and pushes you to be better than the person you were the day before.So, which one makes you happier? Can you find happiness with a peson that you don`t think you deserve?
So, of course Aelin loved Sam (she said it aloud in QoS) and of course Rowan loved Lyria, but there are 2 very different kinds of love.
Chaol couldn't accept Aelin for who she was - Fae. Honestly, I think he was mostly intimidated and frightened of Aelin having magic, just like he was with Dorian. He didn't learn to accept either of them, not until the end of QOS with Dorian. And I agree, I was a little taken aback when he went into Aelin's room and riffled through her PERSONAL stuff. Though maybe that's what she intended him to do so that he could discover she was Aelin Galathnyius. For me the Chaolena Ship never sailed (I know for many others it did) and in the middle of HOF I was like "This has to happen". And I'm so glad it did.Also, I think that Rowan would still choose Aelin even if he discovered Lyria was alive. He's been through and achieved so much with her to give her up.
Noris wrote: "Agree Jess. Plus, I`m not denying the love Aelin felt for Sam, not even the love Rowan felt for Lyria. What I mean is that, Rowan x Aelin is a totally different kind of love. I mean, it would have ..."Awwww Noris I love how you put their different relationships into perspective. :)
@Bookworm I think a lot of the reason Chaol began resenting Aelin was because he thought she was a threat to Dorian's Kingdom and future leadership. For some reason Chaol always thought that Dorian and Aelin would be enemies so he felt like he would be betraying Dorian if he accepted Aelin and he thought she would want to take her revenge on Adarlan and everyone, not just The King.
Of course there are a few other reasons why they didn't get along in the beginning of QoS but there are a bunch of other threads (I think somewhere in this one too) where I mention them and a ton of other people bring up great points. :)
Lydia wrote: "Noris wrote: "Agree Jess. Plus, I`m not denying the love Aelin felt for Sam, not even the love Rowan felt for Lyria. What I mean is that, Rowan x Aelin is a totally different kind of love. I mean, ..."What's funny is that Dorian ACCEPTED Aelin for who she was as soon as her learned about her heritage and her true self as a Fae. So i don't see how he could have felt like her was betraying Dorian for accepting her when Dorian already did.
Dorian accepted Celaena as Aelin, but not Chaol. He always had it in his mind that she was a threat to Dorian and he couldn't see it. Ever since ToG Chaol has been "Protecting" Dorian from Celaena/Aelin. He was afraid of Dorian's magic when he first learned of that as well. Chaol has ALWAYS had an issue with Aelin being Fae and he had no idea what he was unleashing when he sent her to Wendlyn. He even says in HoF (or end of CoM) that he may have sent the Empire's greatest enemy into welcoming arms to be trained. P.S. Love Dorian, he's such an amazing character! xD
Some people are just distrustful of people with (figurative) cannons. I mean, aelin is a danger to rift hold and wants to destroy it. If someone slightly unstable goes up to you with a gun that's nit yet loaded, and points it at someone you love, how do you react? Also there's a lot of these people with guns and the person going after you is the leader. That's just about what chaol feels.
Yes, but then him and Aelin agreed to put Dorian out of his misery.I'm not hating on Chaol or anything, but throughout QOS he really annoyed me by constantly doubting Aelin, thinking about Dorian, Dorian, Dorian (which is totally understandable, it's just COME ON !) and then getting caught by frickin' Ironteeth witches to try to save Dorian. And you know what that led to ...? Rowan getting shot with an arrow in the shoulder/arm.
*sigh*
Ok, Sorry Bookworm, but I don't care that Chaol was worried about Dorian. No one else was! So I appreciate that at least one character out of all of them gave a damn about him and was not quick to jump on the whole idea of taking his head off. That was the very least of Choal's faults in QoS. Aelin was worried about her cousin and Lysandra, and Rowan. Ok, fine, they obviously mean a great deal to her in which thinking up complex plans to save them were of the utmost importance. Dorian didn't have anyone doing that for him (until someone else entirely spoke up for him), except Chaol, even though, he never got around to making up a plan to save Dorian either. Once he saw him for the first time and realized, on the surface, he appeared fully occupied by the Valg prince, then he too jumped on the lets-take-Dorian's-head-off bandwagon. Thank the three-faced goddess for Manon. Dorian essentially owes her his life.
I didn't have a problem with Aelin (and eventually Chaol) accepting Dorian as a lost cause. She thought it was merciful to end his life so he wouldn't have to suffer being taken over and controlled for who knows how long, and she knew NO other way to help him. I also think it added a lot of tension for us as readers because WE KNOW he's still in there and I personally at some points (especially the Aedion rescue scene) was yelling at my book like "NOOO HE'S THERE!! LOOK HE'S TRYING!! BABY DORIAN IS IN THERE!!! T_T". And I definitely agree with Stephanie that Chaol's loyalty to Dorian was not one of his weak points in this book. His loyalty shows his unyielding friendship for Dorian and Chaol is a VERY loyal person. So it made sense to me and honestly SOMEONE had to push for Dorian, even if at the time there was no way to help him.
I agree that Aelin was very quick to jump on the idea of chopping Dorian's head off, but it's not just that Chaol was constantly worrying about Dorian throughout the book, it was that he treated Aelin awfully, when she deserved none of it. Thats my opinion.
Bookworm wrote: "I agree that Aelin was very quick to jump on the idea of chopping Dorian's head off, but it's not just that Chaol was constantly worrying about Dorian throughout the book, it was that he treated Ae..."I think Chaol was really angry with himself and took most of his aggression out on Aelin because it was easy. He had legitimate concerns but he displayed them very poorly because he was so blinded by his grief over everything that happened. He definitely mistreated her in QoS but she certainly didn't just stand there and take it either. Aelin lashed out towards Chaol for saying those hurtful things and made him feel even worse because she reinforced some of his doubts in her out of SPITE!
I'm so glad they worked it out towards the end of QoS and finally got their heads together, but I also think it was necessary for Chaol to go through what he did and realise he was just being over defensive and angry about what happened.
When you consider what Chaol went through to me his behaviour is completely understandable. He lost everything that day in the castle when he finally ran and then Aelin, the one he used to love came back and is completely different, doesn't care as much about him anymore. It's part of his character development and I honestly think it's completely logical.
100% agree with you Lexie. Chaol was going through a VERY rough time in QoS. :P
I agree as well. While Chaol's behavior at times made me want to throw my book (or iPad) across the room, he lost everything too. The "girl" he thought he'd marry, faith in his king, his position, his men...and he didn't have the benefit of being in the right or have a whole kingdom secretly rooting for him the way Aelin does. Trying to hold onto hope for Dorian seems understandable then. I do wish we got some more happy scenes with him....
i wish this title would get changed to aelin and rowan
Jess S wrote: "me too"idk how goodreads works does the person who made the topic have to do it
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Ok, I ship Alein and Rowan. they're perfect. Choaleana is done cause you have to admit, Choal is a bitch, Dorian and Celeana is just a big no so the best right now is Rowan and Aelin.
Im proud of chaol now, he's overcome a lot. But yeah chaolaena is for sure over with whew.
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