Queen Maas' Assassins discussion
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Celaena & Rowan ~ Pairing Discussion
Lexie wrote: "Maybe Dorian fell in love with Sorscha bc he realised that's what he truly needed. But maybe it wasn't actually full on real love, and maybe Sorscha was killed bc Yrene is who he's really destined ..."I totally see where you're coming from. I don't think I'm for or against Manorian right now but I definitely agree that Dorian NEEDS and DESERVES to be loved by someone and he needs an equal who will help better him and his Kingdom. Manon doesn't seem to fall into that catagory as of right now and there is the whole immortality thing to consider as well, however she might develop and change in the next 2 books to be someone deserving of Dorian. And that's another thing (don't get me wrong) Manon doesn't really...deserve someone like Dorian right now...Dorian has been imprisoned in his own body and had to struggle against evil being his only example for basically all of his life, yet he still manages to see the good in people and accept them for who they are (Aelin and Chaol being some) and I don't doubt that he will see the good in Manon too. But Manon is an immortal Badass, almost unfeeling Crazy/twisted and subserviant Ironteeth Witch (possibly Matron in the future) who wants nothing but to be ruler of the WESTERN WASTES....I mean she had over 100 years to feel something for her 13 and she is only just now questioning things. I definitely agree that I don't feel quite right about Shipping her with Dorian at this point.
It could be possible for a union betweem Kingdoms, but Manon would have to kill Ansel in order to rule the Wastes and also break their curse (rightfully given IMO) and if she kills Ansel I will NEVER forgive her and certainly NEVER agree that she should be with Dorian. IDK...They're just SO different. I'm honestly conflicted, but I feel like no one has been agreeing with the ANTI-MANORIAN statements put out there lately and there is certainly something to be said about this pairing for the future books because HONESTLY IT'S FRIGHTENING AND VERY COMPLICATED. :P
Lydia wrote: "Lexie wrote: "Maybe Dorian fell in love with Sorscha bc he realised that's what he truly needed. But maybe it wasn't actually full on real love, and maybe Sorscha was killed bc Yrene is who he's re..."I agree, I don't really mind the whole "Manorian", or whatever ship right now, I'm just neautral. But how do you think a KING will find a way to be with an IRONTEETH WITCH?!
Yes, for me, I'll just never forget the first chapter I read about Manon, it freaked me out, and I don't really want THAT near Dorian. I think that Manon should rule over the Western Wastes, get their land back. I don't want her to kill Ansel though they could figure something out, rule together somehow. And exactly thank you Lydia! This is what I'm trying to say. Dorian has been through so much, he needs someone who understands and has been through stuff too I.e Aelin, Yrene, Sorscha had been through stuff. He needs someone special, and for me that is certainly not Manon. Maybe something will happen in the next two books that will change my mind, I'm not completely shut off from it, but right now that is what I think.
Bookworm wrote: "Lydia wrote: "Lexie wrote: "Maybe Dorian fell in love with Sorscha bc he realised that's what he truly needed. But maybe it wasn't actually full on real love, and maybe Sorscha was killed bc Yrene ..."Absolutely No clue! It seems really strange because they like to drink Mortal blood...and the Yellowlegs EAT little girls. It's rather disturbing. I mean Manon has been slowly coming away from that but she still thinks about it and has been raised to believe that it's completely normal because WHAT'S A MORTAL TO A WITCH? Yaknow ? It's quite frankly very creepy and though I do like Manon as a character and Asterin especially, seeing her with Dorian seems weird right now. Like I said I'm not against it per se but I don't know about it working either.
Lexie wrote: "Yes, for me, I'll just never forget the first chapter I read about Manon, it freaked me out, and I don't really want THAT near Dorian. I think that Manon should rule over the Western Wastes, get th..."I feel so bad for Dorian :( ..He really hasn't had anyone there for him emotionally or romantically to help him deal with his Magic and such. I mean he has Sorscha but she helped him stifle his magic not embrace it and love him for it. He just really needs a strong but tentative person and he deserves someone who is going to be devoted to HIM in the coming books. I feel as thought he has been supporting everyone else and struggling with his own problems. QoS broke my heart....
@Lydia, OMG that is so beautiful. I never realised it in this way. YES! Dorian has like, been alone the whole time, having to struggle with his problems. Yes he had Chaol but he couldn't tell him about his magic bc Chaol would judge him. He did have Celaena for a little while, but she is nowhere near as devoted to him as he needs if she basically gave up on him when he's under the collar. He's had to live with his evil and abusive father, grown up with everyone thinking low of him and then he had a FREAKING demon take control of his body. He's been through so much and has barely had anyone to help him, poor Dorian.
I feel as if I won't get my happy Celorian ending...I feel sorry for Dorian: (
Kisses A wrote: "I feel as if I won't get my happy Celorian ending...I feel sorry for Dorian: ("I've been seeing a lot of people saying Celorian is still possible. And while I've never avidly wanted them together I can totally see it happening (though I fully ship AelinXRowan right now) and I don't think I'd be opposed to it. Aelin and Dorian have never truly hurt eachother and they have a great friendship now, and Dorian needs someone like Aelin in a way. If they ended up together it would probably be them figuring out how to rule together and joining their badass powers to defend against any future threats and it would be so cute.I'm not sure how that's going to work out now after QoS, but SJM writes things so amazingly that anything is possible at this point! Don't give up until the last book! xD
Bookworm wrote: "I just feel that Dorian is gone. Rowan would be perfect, and she really likes him too.To be honest, I felt kind of shocked when Dorian spotted Manon and just fell for her like that, after the whol..."
Where and when did you read that Dorian fell for someone? He saw Manon--the only person who recognized that he was very much still in his body after everyone else he'd known was unable to reach him-- outside his window in the middle of the night after waking from a nightmare. She is the one he remembers having a conversation with when he was at his most vulnerable and lost to the evil valg prince who took up residence in his body.
Since when does recognizing someone attractiveness means you've fallen for them? Pfffft!
Also, I'm in the minority, but I never really bought the epic love between him and Sorscha. That was a writing failure, IMO, but doesn't change how I felt about what they had after reading their pages together in HoF.
I also don't see what you attempted. But that's on me bc clearly others "got" it. :-/
Yes I'm the same. Doraelin is my first ship then Chaolin. I won't be devastated if Rowaelin ends up being endgame but yeah just not my choice. I haven't finished QoS yet but this supposed scene where Dorian 'notices' Manon, I highly doubt it is for love in sure it is for the reasons stated above, about seeing that she saw the struggle he was going through.
I don't care if Manon and Dorian end up together. I do think they can learn from each other. Manon needs him to grow more sensitive and caring. And he needs her to gain a little back bone and strengthen his resolve as a ruler after what he's been through. Why does it always have to be ship this and that. Sometimes I find it annoying. Maybe they just temporarily need to learn from one another.
Jess. S Yes I agree! Then we get to the topic of platonic relationships, which hardly ever seems to be the case in this series. Besides Celaena and Dorian, nearly every relationship between a male and female turns bloody romantic goddammit.
And even Celeana and Dorian' were a couple before they become friends...
That's right, that shows great maturity and all that they moved on from romantic tensions into a strong friendship. In theory, this would make them a great couple too.
I think that if 2 people have a strong friendship then it would make then even stronger and easier to understand each other if romantically involved afterwards.It would be great to see them together because they already joke around and are not awkward around each other hence they would be more comfortable. I wonder why Sarah made Aein have a romantic relationship with Dorian and Chaol if she was going for someone different?
I think that if 2 people have a strong friendship then it would make then even stronger and easier to understand each other if romantically involved afterwards.It would be great to see them together because they already joke around and are not awkward around each other hence they would be more comfortable. I wonder why Sarah made Aein have a romantic relationship with Dorian and Chaol if she was going for someone different?
Apparently people think Celaena and Chaol was going to be endgame. But when she was writing the third book SJM got attached to Rowan and changed it. Idk that's just what I've heard, I think that's why a lot of people had such an uproar.
She didn't get "attached"... She just realized Rowan was the only person for Aelin. It made sense story-wise but people were too biased to understand
Rowan understands her. But the thing is, she's a mortal, and he's an immortal and I don't know how that will work out. Frankly, I don't think Rowan could deal with losing another woman that he loves. Unless in the next book something happens to make her immortal (??)
I feel like despite their immortality (or lack thereof), Rowan and Aelin is destined to have an epic, tragic love. I kind of don't want Aelin to become immortal =/ I love that she's mortal and she does what she does -- it just makes it that much more special/empowering/awesome. In terms of Aelin's endgame -- I'm DYING to read the next book!! IDK which direction SJM will take us. At this point, if she so chooses, Dorian CAN come back into Aelin's life as a prospective mate lol. They have A LOT of things in common...
I think if Aelin and Rowan get together -- one of them will die (either of natural causes or otherwise). =/
Is it so twisted of me to want a happy ending but also NOT at the same time?!
I honestly think she's immortal, just because of that vision in HoF. Maybe when she kills Maeve (yes, when cos the bitch better die), she could take Maeve's immortality? I don't know. I still think Aelin's gonna die in the last book tbh.
Michelle wrote: "I honestly think she's immortal, just because of that vision in HoF. Maybe when she kills Maeve (yes, when cos the bitch better die), she could take Maeve's immortality? I don't know. I still think..."I feel like either she or Rowan will die in the last book, too.....
I don't think Aelin will die. Also doesn't it say in HoF that Aelin is immortal? While in her Fae form she is immortal, but in her animal form, which is a human, she is mortal. But if she restores magic in Adarlan she can go into her Fae form and be immortal. That's what I thought? Sorry if that's confusing.
Someone posted Manon said that whom ever killed BabaYellowlegs inherited her power...I got so excited I went hunting for the passage only to discover it didnt exist...too bad because it would have been cool if, because she killed the witch, she gained the witches immortality.I personally think that by the end of this Aelin will be granted Immortality by the goddess...but if she doesn't I think Rowan will give up his immortality to live one lifetime with her.
I'm with what Lexi just said... If she's fae again how is she still mortal?? The human form is the mortal part right? Anyone with bright ideas fill me in.
I was wondering why did Sarah make Aelin be with Dorian and Chaol while she was going for somone else but I feel like Dorian or Chaol were for Celaena but for Aelin, Rowan is basically the only one who can be with her:) That's just my opinion. Also I feel like it is quite natural that her endgame is not the first person she was with. Or even the second or third.. Most of people have it this way:)
Celaena and Choal made a really great couple.But Now that she doesn't need to be Celaena anymore and now that she's accepting of her Role of Queen of Terrasen - Aelin and Rowan together just make sense.
I feel like Chaol is finished. I think he is also over his relationship with Aelin, maybe he can now date Nesryn?
I agree with you Sejal, they are good for each other. Maybe Bookworm, they are cute together but they did have something not like him and Aelin.
Natalia wrote: "I agree with you Sejal, they are good for each other. Maybe Bookworm, they are cute together but they did have something not like him and Aelin."
Yeah, I mean I liked Nesyrn in QoS, it's just that I wasn't crazy about her :/ and it seems as though Chaol likes her...
Yup he does. But I got to say in QoS he moved on fast but not in HoF.
Agreed. Maybe the distance from Aelin did him the world of good and he just let her go,
Someting else too, Chaol did take all his anger out on Aelin which to my reaction was O_O thoughts: Wow, What?!?!? What by the wyrd is WRONG WITH YOU!
At this point, I hope Aelin and Rowan are endgame. Because I don't want to have an estranged relationship between the two at all, and if they all of a sudden decide to stop having these romantic feelings for another, then that is what we'll get from them. If they end up not together, then all this series may turn into is a "I dated this person and felt this at this point I the relationship, and oh there was a king that killed my family" lol.
So I hope she ends up with Rowan solely because he understands her, he doesn't look down on who she was, but builds her up and makes her a better person.
They should be together for the rest of the series, but have more of a build for their relationship, and have them kick ass side by side!
That's exactly hoe they are, I love it!
I think of it maybe like this. Aelin made Chaol a better person, but Aelin needs someone to at least build her up and help her when she is to far gone.
Jessica wrote: "I think of it maybe like this. Aelin made Chaol a better person, but Aelin needs someone to at least build her up and help her when she is to far gone."Exactly, and Rowan is perfect for that.
Throne of Glass version of Breakfast Club!! Lol!! Love that title!
Cecilia wrote: "Ginny*Have Courage and Be Kind* wrote: "Everyone Read This Very Very Recent Interview
https://www.bookish.com/articles/sara......"
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The Inspiration for The Dragon Dress is The Song
Seven Devils by Florence and The Machine
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The Inspiration for The Dragon Dress is The Song
Seven Devils by Florence and The Machine
Everyone is saying how either Rowan or Aelin will die in the last book, but I don't see how that could happen (especially since Aelin is the MAIN character and Sarah obviously loves Rowan, have you seen her Pinterest?!) But maybe Aelin gains immortality in the next or last book so that her and Rowan can be together forever.
*dreamy-eyed*
Cecilia wrote: "What! I need to listen to that song again! That entire scene of Rowan and Alein and the dress was my favorite part of the book."
Sarah mentioned in an interview that she was inspired to write the scene in which Aelin wears the back cover dress (with the golden scaled dragon) while listening to Florence and the Machine’s Seven Devils. If you haven’t heard that song, DO SO IMMEDIATELY.
Sarah mentioned in an interview that she was inspired to write the scene in which Aelin wears the back cover dress (with the golden scaled dragon) while listening to Florence and the Machine’s Seven Devils. If you haven’t heard that song, DO SO IMMEDIATELY.
For me, Rowan has become the new Jacob Black. Sarah treats Rowan the very same way Stephenie started treating Jacob when she started writing those other books in the series. Except, Maas can really replace the initial hero in mind for her story, since it's still a WiP from her lack of outlining and... Personally, I liked when R and A were reinforcing that their relationship was strictly plutonic. I didn't like the way their romance was forced down my throat so obviously in QoS. Subtlety is more IMO.
For me, Rowan has become the new Jacob Black. Sarah treats Rowan the very same way Stephenie started treating Jacob when she started writing those other books in the series. Except, Maas can really replace the initial hero in mind for her story, since it's still a WiP from her lack of outlining and... Personally, I liked when R and A were reinforcing that their relationship was strictly plutonic. I didn't like the way their romance was forced down my throat so obviously in QoS. Subtlety is more IMO.
Cecilia wrote: "Ginny*Have Courage and Be Kind* wrote: "Cecilia wrote: "What! I need to listen to that song again! That entire scene of Rowan and Alein and the dress was my favorite part of the book."
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I don't know. It just seems unrealistic for them to go through all of this, and for the whole main gang to survive. I feel like at least a third? will die, and I feel like Aelin, if she has to, will give up her life to save Terrasen, Rowan, or any of her friends. I don't think Dorian will die, especially after everything that he's gone through, but honestly, everyone else is fair game IMO.
I can't access the link for the interview! What does it say please tell me! Also forgive me if this a stupid question please don't yell at me, but what does IMO mean?
Cecilia wrote: "Bookworm wrote: "Everyone is saying how either Rowan or Aelin will die in the last book, but I don't see how that could happen (especially since Aelin is the MAIN character and Sarah obviously love..."I agree rowan and Aelin will end up together, but I have my conspiracies that rowan might become mortal or something like that. I'm not sure about the whole immortality thing. though I'm probably wrong.
Lexie wrote: "I can't access the link for the interview! What does it say please tell me! Also forgive me if this a stupid question please don't yell at me, but what does IMO mean?"IMO = In My Opinion :) And THANK YOU SO MUCH GINNY for the tidbit about the Dragon dress. Everything to do with that dress in the book was just....perfection. <3
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I guess it's true. Sorscha said something just before she got beheaded, right? "I wasn't supposed to fall in love with you Dorian, but I did".
And Dorian never told her he loved her.