Queen Maas' Assassins discussion
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Celaena & Rowan ~ Pairing Discussion
Ah, I see what you mean Em, but here is the deal. What happened at the end of CoM played a huge role in Celaena's head in her choosing or not Chaol. Wouldn't someone in real life do the same as she did? She will always asociate the Nehemia thing with Chaol, even if she now knows that he did nothing that he wasn't meant to do. She said constantly how bad she felt about the memories and she even said that removing the ring took a shadow from her. I believe that NO ONE should feel like they have shadows in them while in a relationship, and if we are going to be realistic here this is no exception. If they ever worked things out, it wouln't be the same at all. I get what you say about building a relationship up, but what happened between this two is something that happens all the time in real life: a love story that gets to an end, and that' it.
Em, that little post on tumblr I disagree with. I really want someone to get here and tell me how is Rowaelin (the frienship as in HoF) abusive and not only something from the beginning of the book.
I never really got why she blamed Chaol for it to begin with, considering it was absolutely not his fault. Anyways, I truly get what you mean about a love story coming to an end. It could have easily been their case and I would never stop reading the books for it. Like I said, I wouldn't mind if she ended up with Dorian, Aedion, Manon or literally anyone else. My problem is that I personally find Rowan to be an abusive asshole.
For me, no matter how hard you hate or distrust a person, if you're a decent human being, you will not push a person who's depressed down. You will not put someone's life in danger just to get a reaction out of them (he did it to Luca). Rowan did both of these things and much more.
This thread is becoming so intense! I'm so tempted to see this spoiler but I KNOW I will regret it.....I'm afraid of what I'm reading here though. I don't particularly ship anyone with Aelin right now but this thread is scaring me into thinking it's Rowaelin! OOHHHMIIIGOOOSSHH! I can't wait to read QoS. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
Listen Em, I'm sorry if you've been in an abusive relationship. That sucks, really. Glad you got out. But you can't come into the forum and say that Rowan and Aelin have an abusive relationship when they don't. Unless you're a complete and total sexist and you don't believe women can learn to fight and defend themselves then I don't really see where you're coming from. In the beginning Rowan was pretty harsh on her, yeah. He's basically her personal trainer. He has to be harsh in order to get the desired results from her. He's training her to shape shift and use her fire powers (correct me if I'm wrong but you definitely don't have any experience with that - none of us do) and Sarah chose that training to be similar to military training. If it had been two men training I don't think you would've even brought up the whole abuse angle, but because it's a man and a woman beating the daylights out of one another you're saying it's abuse. Not to mention that after he actually took the time and got to know her better he started treating her less like a newbie cadet that didn't know anything and more as an equal. He's been training and fighting for 200+ years. She's 18 years old. I think if I were in his position I would make her earn my respect as well. She did. And now they're in a perfectly healthy relationship where they view one another as equals. No abuse at all.Also, your comment about how in your world Chaol would kick Aelin's ass makes you look extremely ignorant considering what you're preaching here.
I haven't seen the spoiler, but to say that the book is poorly written for the majority of the fandom just because the romance aspect didn't turn out how some people wanted...You haven't even read the actual book! How do you know it's poorly written? A lot of us love Sarah's books and don't care if the romance isn't what we wanted. It's about the actual plot and the characters growth that matters. I respect you have different opinions than me though
Bailee wrote: "Listen Em, I'm sorry if you've been in an abusive relationship. That sucks, really. Glad you got out. But you can't come into the forum and say that Rowan and Aelin have an abusive relationship whe..."I completely agree! Very well said :)
^ Totally agree with you Bailee. And honestly I feel like once we get into Rowans head in Queen of Shadows we'll probably understand him much better.
Lydia wrote: "Bailee wrote: "Listen Em, I'm sorry if you've been in an abusive relationship. That sucks, really. Glad you got out. But you can't come into the forum and say that Rowan and Aelin have an abusive r..."thank you ma'am :)
Raman wrote: "^ Totally agree with you Bailee. And honestly I feel like once we get into Rowans head in Queen of Shadows we'll probably understand him much better."thanks :)
I can't wait for Rowan's P.O.V. we're going to learn so much more about the Fae world I'm super excited!!
I also just want to put it out there that Rowan goes through a huge character development in HoF because at first he is very closed off and rigid and basically broken, but when he realizes how Celaena/Aelin is only 18/19 years old (can't remember at the moment sorry!) and has been through so much physical and emotional pain he begins to sympathise with her and help her heal. Then he realizes his own sadness and grief has been pushing everyone away and also hurting Aelin even further and that's why they bond towards the end of the book because they finally understand and trust eachother completely since there are no secrets between them and they are almost mirrors of eachother due to their struggle with great pain and loss. There is no doubt that Rowan is utterly DISDAINABLE in the beginning of HoF, but I personally thought he was a very interesting character and he needed love just like anyone else. Whether or not him and Celaena/Aelin should be together romantically is up to personal opinion of course but either way they have developed a great understanding of eachother and that is why in my opinion people love Rowan. All the best to those following the thread btw! xD
I honestly don't understand how their relationship is abusive. Have you read the books?? In the first part he was training her and he had to be harsh. Do you think they are all nice and sweet while training in the military? No that's not how you make progress, he pushed her to do her best. Then once he got to know her better he was caring toward her and a great friend. He helped her though her emotional pain and gave her hope. And lets not forget when he swore a blood oath to her. Their relationship is beautiful not abusive.
Lydia wrote: "I also just want to put it out there that Rowan goes through a huge character development in HoF because at first he is very closed off and rigid and basically broken, but when he realizes how Cela..."100% agree! It's how they became carranam in the first place. They completely understand and accept every single part of one another.
Hailey wrote: "I honestly don't understand how their relationship is abusive. Have you read the books?? In the first part he was training her and he had to be harsh. Do you think they are all nice and sweet while..."100% Agree with you! I think Rowan is a great character and he did what he thought was his duty when he was training Celaena/Aelin!
Hailey wrote: "I honestly don't understand how their relationship is abusive. Have you read the books?? In the first part he was training her and he had to be harsh. Do you think they are all nice and sweet while..."preach. amen. bless. this post is my religion.
Bless you Bailee and Lydia. You guys are so right in every aspect of your comments!
Ale wrote: "Bless you Bailee and Lydia. You guys are so right in every aspect of your comments!"tried to send you some cute emojis to show my appreciation but goodreads disagreed with that idea so I LOVE YOU ALE THANKS
I LOVE YOU BAILEE YOU'RE MY SPIRIT ANIMAL
Lydia wrote: "Hailey wrote: "I honestly don't understand how their relationship is abusive. Have you read the books?? In the first part he was training her and he had to be harsh. Do you think they are all nice ..."Thanks :) I think his character is great too and I can't wait to see more of him in Queen of Shadows
LOL Bless everyone for being amiable and pleasant while voicing there opinions on this thread thus far! And thank you Ale, that's very sweet and I'm glad you agree! :)
Thanks Ale and Bailee xD I'm glad there are people that feel the same way :D
Agree to disagree. At least some part of the fandom is happy about it haha
Em I know that I'm late to this discussion, but I disagree with your statement that its bad writing to change plans in the middle of the story. In case you didn't know, Doriaelin was endgame in Queen of Glass. DORAELIN not CHAOLAENA. As an author, Sarah's job is not to write to please her fans, but to write as her CHARACTERS. She has to allow her characters to pick and choose for themselves, because a book/series is about A CHARACTERS JOURNEY. You might not fall in love twice in a lifetime, and sometimes, despite how good a previous relationship was, a new one might be better. (view spoiler) Because your soulmate should push you, should encourage you to be a better person.
Dorlaena was endgame in Queen of Glass not in Throne of Glass. Despite having the same characters, Sarah has akready said plenty if time that these are two entirely different books.When she started drafting Throne if Glass the olan was for Chaolaena to be endgame. In my humble opinion, changing things mid series compromises consistency.
She's still going to be a best selling author, guys. It's not the fact that I personally don't agree to her style of writing that she'll stop being an amazing writer for you. It's just a matter of perspective and we see things differently.
@Ale I liked what you said about being here for Aelin. Ships can override the point of the story sometimes...I guess it's a good idea to stay away from all QOS discussions until you've read the book. Whoever wrote that review with the spoiler probably didn't think it would cause this kind of uproar.
I also don't understand the abusive part.. Yes he was a complete dickhead in the beginning. no denying that. But he was under Maeve's orders.. a blood oath. He was just told what to do and had to obey his orders. But through the duration of HOF he got to know Aelin as a person. Sarah makes SO many references on how he actually heals here from how broken she is. Starting with the gross skin people things.. when she is finally able to shift its because she realizes Rowan never left her when she left. she has been alone for so long and been effed over so many times.. she gave up but he was still there and helped saved her life. granted she was still badass and held her own. Second after that when she still isn't able to shift on command and Rowan takes her to see that first half-tae attacked by the Prince Valg. When they were doing the old way of setting a flame to a body to bury them. Aelin isn't able to summon her powers but make fire but she makes it by human and Rowan uses his magic to help build it and help with the burial and helps her.. Aeiin's fire. Again.. yes Rowan was a complete dickhead at the start but he ended up helping to meand how broken Celeana was when she she came to Wendlyn... Yes Celeana. Yes she did it herself in accepting who she is but Rowan helped heal her.
Rebekah wrote: "@Ale I liked what you said about being here for Aelin. Ships can override the point of the story sometimes...I guess it's a good idea to stay away from all QOS discussions until you've read the b..."
hell hath no fury like a fangirl spoiled
How do you even know that Chaolaen was going to be endgame in ToG? The events in CoM changed everything. Bottom line is, Chaol should've told Aelin. He didn't. Nehemiah was killed. She will never forgive him.
Bailee wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "@Ale I liked what you said about being here for Aelin. Ships can override the point of the story sometimes...I guess it's a good idea to stay away from all QOS discussions until y..."
Hahahah true that!
Sandra wrote: "How do you even know that Chaolaen was going to be endgame in ToG? The events in CoM changed everything. Bottom line is, Chaol should've told Aelin. He didn't. Nehemiah was killed. She will never f..."I feel like it's the "Gale thing" all over again. Katniss couldn't get over it. Who knows if Aelin can?
Sandra wrote: "How do you even know that Chaolaen was going to be endgame in ToG? The events in CoM changed everything. Bottom line is, Chaol should've told Aelin. He didn't. Nehemiah was killed. She will never f..."exactly what i've been wondering this entire conversation
Sarah is not writing to be faithful to her characters. For me, she's writing to please herself and her self inserted fantasies, which is fine considering it's her story. I just chose to not support it and I don't get why you guys are so upset about it. If part of the fandom feels this way, it won't affect any any shape or form your reading experience.
Sandra, Chaolin was going to be endgame. Sarah has said in orevious interviews
Also to have such a strong female character in a Young Adult series.. i doubt Maas is about to write her in an abusive relationship. Also kind of offensive.. unless you're talking about the 50 shades of gray author cause yeah.. sure thats legit. While the new name "Fire Breathing Bith Queen" may have have anti-feminist annotations cause of "Bitch". It more along the lines of "Hell yeah.. i AM the fie breathing bitch queen"
When did Sarah say Chaol/Aelin was going to be endgame? I know she said that the romance was sorted in CoM but I took that as "Aelin won't end up with Chaol or Dorian." Seeing as by that point Dorian and Aelin had progressed to a strictly platonic level. Then Chaol and Aelin well... she clawed his face so deeply he has a permanent scar and she also would've killed him had Dorian not been there to stop her. (there's the abuse you were looking for Em)
Em wrote: "Dorlaena was endgame in Queen of Glass not in Throne of Glass. Despite having the same characters, Sarah has akready said plenty if time that these are two entirely different books.
When she start..."
ok so not trying to be offensive or rude but you completely missed the point of michelle's post...
it's sarah'ss book. she writes what she wants. she is the author. it is her story, her characters. she is allowed to change her mind. she is allowed to change the story. i dont understand why you're so upset with her when THIS IS HER BOOK. let her write it please...
When she start..."
ok so not trying to be offensive or rude but you completely missed the point of michelle's post...
it's sarah'ss book. she writes what she wants. she is the author. it is her story, her characters. she is allowed to change her mind. she is allowed to change the story. i dont understand why you're so upset with her when THIS IS HER BOOK. let her write it please...
There is an youtube video around the time Crown of Midnight was released and she was writing Heir if Fire. It's there :)
also what is chaolin like i've never heard that word before
no wrote: "Em wrote: "Dorlaena was endgame in Queen of Glass not in Throne of Glass. Despite having the same characters, Sarah has akready said plenty if time that these are two entirely different books.Whe..."
preach.
is that like the video game shao lin's road
Em wrote: "Sarah is not writing to be faithful to her characters. For me, she's writing to please herself and her self inserted fantasies, which is fine considering it's her story. I just chose to not support..."Where are the interviews that Sarah specifically side that Chaolaena were endgame?
Well at that point since she was writing HoF she could've very well been referring to Rowaelin. Unless she explicitly stated "Chaol and Aelin are endgame" then please forgive me as I haven't seen the alleged YouTube video.
also ya'll are contradicting yourself it's giving me a headache
Also, Bailee, I don't think Aelin was abusive towards Chaol considering she was under HUGE stress. However, despite shipping them, I do feel like she never really deserved such a loyal and kind man like Chaol is. For me, he was always leagues above her, but I hoped they could sort things out. and even if they didn't, I never would have thought Sarah would guve in to Rowan.Like I said before, agree to disagree.
I'm rereading throne of glass right now and Chaol is so awful and abusive to Aelin/Celaena soooo I'm confused?
I don't know why you guys are so mad at me for disagreeing with Sarah. I am not asking for you to hate her, for God's sake.Yes, it is her right to write whatever she wants (like I stated here many times), but it is also my right to not like it. And this doesn't and shouldn't affect you guys.
I know who her endgame was for her original endgame was for Maas' original on FictionPress for Queen of Glass and we've been told it won't be the same. While characters develop in a series.. how do they develop? Through the author. Stories are allowed to change and authors grow and develop their writing skills. I Kinda do understand where you're coming from that she may have wanted to go for the "hot" couple. But an author has their own story not yours. He/She IS her characters and may bring them to page anyway she likes.
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Ale, I'll copy something I saw on tumblr. Please take not that you're completely free to disagree and don't take this as me being offensive towards your ship, or anything. It's okay if you still like them or if you don't think I am right.
"Rowan is aggressive, selfish, orders Celaena around, emotionally abuses her, manipulates her and physically hurts her (and not only when they are training, it’d be fine if that was the case). However, everything is forgiven considering how hot and experienced he is. Does that ring you any bells?
I absolutely loathe this tendency in YA to romanticize abusive relationships. It’s not okay. It’ll never be okay. Unfortunately, taking that Sarah has developed a major crush on her own character and is changing her whole story, Rowan and Aelin will be endgame. He is the token hot immortal guy and I cannot express in words how disgusted I am by the fact that this still happens in literature.
You might be thinking ‘oh, you’re just butthurt Chaolaena is not going to happen’. No, that’s not the case. I am a hardcore shipper, but I respect the other ships. Like, even though I personally think that Dorian and Aelin are better off as friends, I wouldn’t be mad if they were to be endgame. I wouldn’t like it, yeah, but it wouldn’t make me want to vomit as Rowan and Aelin would."