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"First, the total number of nominations from all ballots is
tallied for each nominee.
Next, a single point is assigned to each individual voter’s
nomination ballot. That point is divided equally among all
nominees on that ballot. (After the first round of calculation, it
is divided equally between remaining nominees.)
Next, all points from all nomination ballots are totaled for
each nominee in that category.
Next, the two nominees with the lowest point totals are
compared.
Whichever of those two has the fewest number of nominations is
eliminated and removed from all subsequent calculations.
Back to step 1 with the remaining nominees after the elimination.
The above steps are repeated until there are only six nominees left.
Those six become the finalists."
Oleksandr wrote: "Today I visited The Official Site of The Hugo Awards to see if there anything interesting and found the following article: http://www.thehugoawards.org/2019/06/......"
The article says "We have now added the Full Nominating and Voting Statistics" but I don't see any statistics. Is it still there?
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There are links to pdfs in the article - not extremely user friendly for data mining
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Thanks for the clarification. I think this system penalizes voters with max nominations. If I have 1 nom per category, I get weight 1 per nom, if I nom 5 per, each weights only 1/5. So If my goal to push for a borderline nom I should nominate others...
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I'm not really sure why you'd want to give fanboys disproportionately much say in the nominations, since their nominations usually... how should I put this... don't have "classic" written on them. On the contrary, these nominations are full on surface attraction and fads du jour, but little else.
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Maybe fanboys (and girls) are assumed better buyers and thus more interesting for book sellers: I know some, who buy all editions of the author they like. Also I guess fans are more likely to buy tickets to a comicCon across the globe... at the same time it surprises me that at least some fan groups aren't active in Hugo. E.g. take Brandon Sanderson who seems to be massively popular here on GR, but not in Hugo for best novels (his shorter works and series were nominated)
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https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Pretty accurate, actually! And here is a similar list for this year:
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
But it may be too early yet . . . the top book has only 26 ratings, so I'm not sure how they are ranked.
One book off of the 2019 list that I really liked, though it but was nominated for nothing, was Planetside by Michael Mammay. So I bet we can all find some great reads that we might never have found otherwise on these lists.
Antti wrote: "Top 5 (or 6, these days) are not decided on the sole number of nominations: since 2017 they've been asdigned according to a pretty complex runoff voting system (single divisible vote). ..."Wow, that is weird! I like the fact that it is instant-runoff voting, but I don't like the "divisible" vote for the reasons you've already said. I'd prefer "ranked choice" voting. But I'm not in control.
Oleksandr wrote: "Antti wrote: "Top 5 (or 6, these days) are not decided on the sole number of nominations: since 2017 they've been asdigned ..."Thanks for the clarification. I think this system penalizes voters w..."
This kinda sucks. I spent lots of time reading some categories esp. short stories especially.
Do they also do this with our voting of the finalist?
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From what I understand, there are no changes in how voting for a winner will go
Oleksandr wrote: "Thanks for the clarification. I think this system penalizes voters with max nominations. If I have 1 nom per category, I get weight 1 per nom, if I nom 5 per, each weights only 1/5. So If my goal to push for a borderline nom I should nominate others... "It seems more like a reward for being discerning.
Then again, people who put fewer nominations forward may be more likely to have read fewer of them.
Hugo & Nebula Awards: Best Novels
Books mentioned in this topic
Planetside (other topics)The Screwtape Letters (other topics)
Beyond This Horizon (other topics)
It contains votes and data on top-10 nominees (we usually aware only about top-5, from which voters choose). Retros are sadly neglected compared to the current Hugo, but that allows to be nominated with only 14 votes for a novel. Also there is clearly the problem that Hugo doesn't supply lists for eligible works - see The Screwtape Letters, which got votes second only to Beyond This Horizon or Twonky, which some nominated as a novelette, not short story. I'd say the organizers are lazy.