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The Broken Eye: Chapters 85-End & Final Thoughts
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all I can say is wow what an end, Brent Weeks is by far the best writer right now imo.
Doug wrote: "all I can say is wow what an end, Brent Weeks is by far the best writer right now imo."He is a favorite but not my favorite, favorite author. However, he is definitely on the top of my most love/hate writers' list because of the ending of his books! That ending is a worse (as in frustrating) cliffhanger than The Blinding Knife ending!
Wow. Just wow. I didn't think I would like another novel as much as I enjoyed The Blinding Knife, but I am so happy to be proven wrong.The twists and turns were fantastic, that moment where you see where all the build up at the beginning clicks together was amazing, and the character development is still superb.
I generally don't read for hours on end, but I can never put one of Brent's novels down.
I really loved this book. It was great writing, intriguing, and fun. That said, where was the action? Even the escape at the end was nothing more than evasion. One thing I love about Brent's work is the amazing descriptive fights that he has such a handle in writing. Not in broken eye though. The best fight was when( and I apologize since I listen to the audiobooks, I don't know the correct spelling), karris and ironfist rescued Gavin. That battle aside, brent usually has more action in his works that help keep the slower part moving. But not here. And even the final battle(?)/escape was not really a battle. Wasn't even a fight. It was evasion. Given, some awesome things were done, but kyp and his crew never really owned the scenes. It was a let down.
Also, I am waiting to start seeing kyp be the genius of magic that the prophecies say the lightbringer is suppose to be. He is good, and maybe this book was just setting the scene for blood mirror since kyp here really just got a handle on quick and powerful drafting. But I hoped to see him start doing some amazing things.
On the up side, kyp is really becoming a man and that is great. He is confident and it is a nice change from the witless boy he was.
OMG! Ironfist is broken eye?! Wow. I really didn't expect that. It was also cool seeing grimwoody as his uncle and working against the red. That is a great twist. Though I hope and believe we will see ironfist follow kyp in more than words and follow him in heart too. I look froward to seeing him redeemed.
I am really glad to see how both the church and the color prince have both good points and evil mixed in. It seems muh more realistic than if the church was just this holy body of goodness and the bad guys just some evil dude with no redeeming qualities. Color prince wants to end slavery, good. But wants to make the new gods and really all humanity slaves to his will. So bad.
The church has some amazing people in it (RIP to the White), but is so currupt. The lightbringer, kyp, will shatter the world and remake it.
Anyways. I don't have mixed feelings on this book. I loved it. Disappointed since I feel like I was cheated in the fight/battles department. Kinda like most of sandersons books, because brent writes amazingly epic action. But honestly, this book is still a 9 out of 10 stars for me!
...now the wait for blood mirror. Crap. Well at least we get ours sequals sooner than rothfuss' damn excellent books. Frack...
Billy I agree with you that there wasn't a big massive battle, but I don't see it as a bad thing. I see this book as Lightbringers Empire Strikes Back. its a lot darker than its predecessors and you can tell everything is building up for a fantastic conclusion, like the Battle of Black Barrow.Ironfist being a member of The Broken Eye actually broke my heart. He is a fantastic character.
Also Gavin went through so much hell I feel so sorry for him.
But this is what I love about Brents books, you care so much for the characters that you cant stop reading.
But like you said this is definitely setting the scene for The Blood Mirror and I can't wait for that book!!
I feel the same as both of you. The book was really good. However I found it really frustrating at certain parts. Kip being a genius is one big tease at this point. Through 3 books all we have gotten is massive amounts of character development with tiny glimpses of greatness. It is frustrating and brilliant all at the same time because I know the payoff will be worth it.I just wish it was paced more like the Night Angel trilogy. We knew Kyler was special and we didn't see the full extent of that greatness till the last book but you had these scenes that were just amazing/ Where Kyler showed you how awesome he is. I feel like that is missing in these books. You got it from Gavin in the first book and once maybe if you count when Kip does his world goes red genius moment in the second book taking down the huge warship. Since then it is mostly Kip just blundering around not really doing anything.
This is the most heavily character development driven fantasy book I have read in a long time. Most authors spend some time, usually a book or two, morphing a character into who they are going to be then the great "evil" drives the story. With Kip it is three books in and we still don't really know what he can do. Like I said frustrating but hopefully the payoff will be worth it.
Ha. Now that I think about it Brent is writing this series flowing like a game of Nine Kings played by Andross. The good guys have taken all of the damage but and the enemy looks like they are going to win but there is some deeper strategy that we haven't seen yet. I just hope the Sea Demon doesn't turn on Mr. Weeks.
I never actually thought of it as Nine Kings Jason, and now I have it makes loads of sense!I quite like the pacing of the books when it comes to Kip, because he has all this potential, but hes lost in so much self deprecation that he doesn't even realise just how amazing he actually is, which is exactly what Gavin wanted by sticking him in the Blackguard.
My favourite example is when he's chasing Buskin and intuitively (is that a word?) uses his skills to fit the task.
Tagent here quickly, but is it just me or does it seem that whenever Kip wants to control his magic consciously it fails, but as soon as he uses it symbiotically (for lack of a better word) he's intuition and skills are fantastic?
Shaun,Good point. Mr. Weeks had to have done that on purpose. Like you said he is usually deep in self deprecation which limits his ability. When he is just acting or reacting he doesn't doubt himself so his abilities come out. I love it! I just wish that moment when Kip stops doubting himself would happen sooner.
Kind of a side note but related. Us talking about this made me think that Kip and Dazen are going in opposite directions when it comes to confidence. Dazen is slowly having his confidence that he is in complete control and can do anything broken apart. While Kip is realizing just how powerful he is.
I wonder how this plays into the larger scope of things. I still don't understand the part where Janis says Dazen is a destroyer and black luxin is his. How does that fit in with the overall story. Obviously Dazen has a larger roll to play or we wouldn't still be seeing him but I have absolutely no idea what that is going to be. So many questions still left unanswered.
Oh I completely agree, I can't wait for the moment where Kip just shrugs off his cloak of self doubt and becomes the person hes meant to be. I've been waiting for it ever since Gavin falsified his testing stone.Thats a really good point I didnt think of it that way! They have completely reversed their roles now. Although I think Kip is so used to being himself that he would adjust to no magic, whereas that was the central pillar of Gavin's identity.
I have to hand it to Brent Weeks though for the Great Library scene. Not only did I not see Kip absorbing the cards coming whatsoever, but he'd been hinting at it coming for two books!
Wow. Grinwoody as The Old Man....and the Red's opponent...and Ironfist's uncle? And Ironfist a member of The Order! I did not see any of that coming. Wonder how much influence Tremblefist's plea will have on Ironfists's decisions.
My heart breaks for Gavin. In the prison of his own making. Marissia being the only other person who knows about that place - can she save him?
With Kip really having to still put on that cloak of genius, the last book should be spectacular. The sheer amount of things that need to happen... Well Mr Weeks is only 98% sure that we wont need a book 5.
I knew we'd get a hint to "The Old man" but Grinwoody was a real shocker. What is the Broken Eye s goal. Either they want the Old Gods to return sans the color prince's control. Our mauve Grinwoody wants to be the black God (do we know of he can draft), who would be his Djinn? Or maybe they want to do away with drafting all together. They do seem like they think mans will bring imposed on Orholam is something they would want to do away with. I also love how deeply character focused this book was. Totally incredible. I hope there's a time skip between this book and The Blood Mirror.
Billy wrote: "I really loved this book. It was great writing, intriguing, and fun. That said, where was the action? Even the escape at the end was nothing more than evasion. One thing I love about Brent's work ..."
I agree, it was kind of a let down waiting for that action, and anticipating it since there was so much build up. But I think that might've been the point. The entire book felt like a prelude to a massive, devastating fight. From how much build up there was, it felt like watching all the final contenders fight their way for a spot in a the final race. It felt like the book ended the second they all lined up at the starting line. That makes me more excited rather than disappointed about the book. It stopped before the race began, and every player seemed to have been introduced, the last two players unveiling themselves only in the very last chapter. Its scary how basically a 2 page chapter completely changed how you view a character. The Broken Eye was like seeing every card in the game, right before the game began. I can't wait for The Blood Mirror, I have feeling that's where ALL the real action is haha.
Eon wrote: "Wow. Grinwoody as The Old Man....and the Red's opponent...and Ironfist's uncle? And Ironfist a member of The Order! I did not see any of that coming. Wonder how much influence Tremblefist's plea ..."
Actually I believe it's to soon to think of Grimwoody as both Andross opponent or ally, if there is one thing that's constant through all the books it's that while every faction care only about itself, they help each other all the time if it suits their purposes. And Andross is The Master, not a simple player. Janus Borig named him like that on his card, because for him it's an identity. He will surely amaze us again.
And about the Black Bane, how many drafter of black luxin there are in the world? It's very possible that the Order acquired the black crystal to keep it safe.
But this bring up another question: if there is a black seed crystal, doesn't it stand to reason that there is also a white one? And how many drafter of white luxin are there?
Dazen. There are probably others, the Color Prince having black luxin is very suspect, but the only one that answer both questions? Only Dazen. His rescue or damnation will be the stuff of legends.
EDIT: Just realized the Color Prince controlled the black luxin to kill the blue wight. So yes definitely a black drafter.
PS. The tragedy of Aghbalu(?) happened because Tremblefist married the woman he loved instead of the one his family and satrapy needed. Ring any bell?
Spoilers / Speculation ahead...Now I found what I believe to be a foreshadowing to something important, however I cannot figure out what… In the Library (Chapter 57) Quentin shows Kip the Lightbringer prophecies one of them seems important as it was hinted at in three other parts of the book.
"In the dusk of times the jinn will rise
Rivers flow blood and moon shine blue
Of Two Hundred will come the Nine
To bring about the end of time."
The first time you’re introduced to these is in Chapter 13 about The Ex-Priest: (Sorry it’s long)
"I’d shattered the prism , shattered the mirror, swearing Lucidonius had ensorcelled it, that he’d tricked me, shown me lies. But I was wrong. Later, I’d done the same trick when I found other djinn foolish enough to manifest themselves in their priests’ eyes. The prism we used was a mundane prism, the mirror plain silver and glass. Eventually the Two Hundred had learned that we could expose them . They came up with elaborate lies to those they snared to explain why they no longer would appear at all— blamed it on the stain Lucidonius had brought to the world. Truth was, they didn’t want to be so easily unmasked. Aeshma says nothing more. I know she was one of the foremost of the Two Hundred, nearly one of the Nine. A new Atirat is not born solely of one man’s conquering all human contenders . His partner jinnīyah must conquer all of her rivals as well."
The next time is in Chapter 69 during Murder Sharp's story where he references the 200 again... (long again)
“In the beginning, God made light. And he saw that it was good. So he made the First Ones, that they might enjoy the light with him, and each other’s company. But the greatest of the First Ones rose up, and spoke for the Light. He said Light cannot be chained, that to sit in stasis and worship was no fit end for creators so glorious as they. And so he stole a light from the Lord of Light himself, and brought it to earth, and they called him Lightbearer. And he broke this light into colors so that all might enjoy it, so that even if some part were lost or chained again, yet light itself would be free. And he kindled many flames from that one solitary light he stole. And Orholam, in fury at this rebellion, barred the Lightbearer and those who followed him from the kingdom he now called the Heavens . And the Lightbearer and his Two Hundred set up their reign on earth, becoming gods in miniature, and over the course of eons, they bickered and fought, and when Orholam made men, they bickered and fought and used men to destroy men in their games. For God loved men, but men loved destroying what he loved.”
The third time it’s introduced is during Kip’s ‘visit’ to the Great Library and Abaddon (Chapter 75) where Brent Weeks writes:
“I am Abaddon, the King, one of the Two Hundred who marched out of the Tyrant’s palaces and went to make our own way in this wilderness, and a thousand worlds like it. I am a lover of queens and a father of gods. I am the Day Star, ushered from the heavens in glory.”
I know this is important however I cannot figure out how it all links if anyone else wants to speculate I would love to hear your thoughts. (Is this the right forum to do speculations?)
I really don't like Ironfist being a traitor I'd expect it of anyone but not him. Oddly enough, Andross Guile turns out be the most trustworthy of the big players left - meaning he can be trusted to be consistent. I reckon he recognized his son as fast as Felia did, but how long did he know about Gavin? Is Marissia his spy? And who repaired the prison? Klytos Blue maybe? I still think Kip is a red herring and the Lightbringer is Dazen. There's a bit in the prophecies about Lightbringer resenting kills my current take is that it means the Freeing. And he died once in the eyes of the public. The library points to Kip but somehow it's too brazenly obvious.
I'm with you, Joanna. I think Dazen is the Lightbringer, too.
But is Dazen "of mysterious birth"?
Probably not but he came from 'outside' did he not, as opposed to Gavin being made the Prism.
Maybe the whole Gavin/Dazen switcheroo could count at a stretch? Aren't there a couple of times when Dazen gets his/Gavin's ages/birth dates mixed up?
I agree, Kip being the Lightbringer is too big a slap in the face, Weeks is a lot more intricate usually.The part that interests me is the prophecies never state just exactly who has to acknowledge that the Lightbringer had "died".
It could be something as simple as Dazen "killing off" his entire identity when he became Gavin after The Prism's War.
On another note, how many players do you think have been seeing Jinn?
Im convinced Samila's "niece" is one of them, if not one of the Nine, and I'm wondering if the dead man Gavin saw was in fact one and not just his fractured mind from being locked up for sixteen years.
Oh and the fact that Kip absorbing the cards had been hinted at for almost two entire books, and we were viewing them that way because time has no meaning in the Great Library, actually blew me away.
That was the best damn book !I absolutely hate Zymun so much but i like what such a bad guy he is!
The growth on Kip was great to read. That neck cracking thing he did right at the end gave me shivers and the raw talent thats starting to emerge from him replacing his self pity and self doubt. (how much weight has he lost? People still call him fat?)
Ironfist....that was like.....an Ironfist to the gut.
Never really been much of a Liv fan but i approved of her at the end, i hope she doesn't go back to being a whiny child again.
If i had any fault with a character it was with Karris never really been a fan of her...well.... that's not true. She comes and goes. I hated the way she treated Kip in one of their last interactions..
My heart goes out to Gavin!
Im honestly just venting right now.. speechless such a good book can NOT wait for #4
First off... AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! WHY MUST YOU TORTURE ME SO!Next i really loved pretty much the entire book. The whole thing about ironfist and grinwoody in the order completely took me by surprise (typical weeks) but it also felt slightly choppy... reserving judgement til blood mirror 'cause weeks is beyond awesome and deserves at least that.
With the black seed crystal im kinda torn. the normal thing to expect would be Dazen using it to be a drafter again and wimping out because its "evil" but its Weeks... he never goes with the norm so im wondering how that will affect Dazen....
Im a lil disappointed in Zymun, he seemed so tough but this kinda just showed how pathetic he is, totally out of his depth and a lil insane
Karris as the White? Saw that coming once i remembered who the real spymaster was, still, cant wait to see how that ends up
As obvious as it is with Kip being the Lightbringer there's too much against it for it to be Dazen... such as how the Lightbringer will heal the blind? Granted.. maybe not Kip but were going with Dazen healing Dazen? i dont think so...
allow me to end on this note...
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! GIMME THE NEXT BOOK ALREADY!!!!!!
I missed it about the Lightbringer healng the blind. Was it in the prophecies in book 3? That makes it certainly not Dazen, but suggests that he'll 'see' again (Orholam said something like that, too, didn't he?).One thing I didn't like in this book are Dazen's depressing circumstances...
I loved this book and I'm continually impressed with Weeks' command of plot and characterization.I'm really rooting for Gavin though, and I was upset at all the crap he went through in this book. I think Gavin is morphing into a person who will be both powerful and compassionate (if Weeks doesn't kill him off...grrr).
When I finished the book, I was so bugged by the ending, that I couldn't sleep. Then, staring at the ceiling, hoping to relax into neverland and failing, I remembered, "Oh, they dyed Gavin's hair black, so there's hope!!!! Yay!!!" I felt so much better. I hope that means what I think it does.
Oh i just realized the omen at the beginning.... Chromeria was saved by a BLACK sperm whale not a white one... Dazen is blind to all colors but BLACK and the BLACK seed crystal is now out and the open... also.. if we are to view the Order's version of history as more reliable (which lets face it, probably is due to religious propaganda)... then black is the color of "Good" and white will go to Andross or Color Prince or Abaddon or whoever and get set up for the epic fight against Dazen whose natural color is BLACK and as limelight just pointed out... his hair was dyed BLACK... granted.. thats too straightforward for Weeks and he likes to crack open all our ideas and illusions and dance on them... but thats where I'd go
Limelight wrote: "I loved this book and I'm continually impressed with Weeks' command of plot and characterization.I'm really rooting for Gavin though, and I was upset at all the crap he went through in this book. ..."
what do ya mean?
Jordan wrote: "then black is the color of "Good" and white will go to Andross or Color Prince or Abaddon or whoever and get set up for the epic fight against Dazen whose natural color is BLACK..."Black is the SOUL POISON, it's not good stuff. Dazen refused to use it in the arena for a reason.
Laurent wrote: "Jordan wrote: "then black is the color of "Good" and white will go to Andross or Color Prince or Abaddon or whoever and get set up for the epic fight against Dazen whose natural color is BLACK..."..."
Maybe it's not really soul poison. Maybe it's the most powerful substance you can draft, since it includes all colors..!? That would create fear, though, and maybe the Chromeria was trying to suppress its use by the people capable of using it. OR maybe it's soul poison ONLY if you're not the Lightbringer.
Aaaarrrghh two years is too long for the rest of this series!!!
Jordan wrote: "Oh i just realized the omen at the beginning.... Chromeria was saved by a BLACK sperm whale not a white one... Dazen is blind to all colors but BLACK and the BLACK seed crystal is now out and the o..."But in his own prison, maybe Gavin will be forced to draft black and then, thank the salon for his new hair....
Hey, granted, this might be grasping at straws. But if you grasp at enough straws, one's gotta' catch ;-)
Jordan wrote: "Limelight wrote: "I loved this book and I'm continually impressed with Weeks' command of plot and characterization.I'm really rooting for Gavin though, and I was upset at all the crap he went thro..."
You've already stated you think the plot was kind of choppy. I disagree. I found the level of detail and organization and flow needed to make me not want to put the book down, was amazing. I wish I could write like that. If you want structural details, maybe I can take notes on my re-read!
let me clarify, Brent Weeks is by far the best author i have ever read and i love everything he writes to death, i didn't mean the whole plot was choppy. just the part with the black seed crystal seemed to jar a little at first. the question was directed about the black hair which you answered in the other comment
and yes we're totally grasping at straws and we all know that were as pathetic as Klytos Blue next to Brent Weeks as Andross Guile. We might think we understand the game only to have him throw everything to the wind and masterfully dump us on our heads :) its still fun to speculate though
To add my theory about Kip's strength, I think Weeks is going to trick us all by trying to do something along the lines of the Night Angel, and create Kip as some sort of anti-lightbringer. But that's just my crazy off-the-wall theory.
Well that was quite a ride. Worth the wait and the re-read, certainly. I'd probably be more anxious that it's another two years till the next one but, I have so much else to read in the interim.I guess I'll go with negatives first:
Zymun, easily. He was always little more than an annoyance and he never actually developed beyond that, in this book he just got even worse. At least with the color prince he could be used to show off some more novel/forbidden knowledge. Now he's just...blah. He really probably should just immediately be killed in the next book for having the audacity to attempt to ruin Andross's plan but we all know that's not going to happen, unfortunately.
Andross's information. It's really quite strange how we get knowledge on several fronts of what he's supposed to know but it doesn't end up matching up. E.G. the deal to get Gavin back which he supposedly agreed to? Why would he send Kip to them when he knows what they're doing? I don't think they'd buy that Kip hates his grandfather or even care, really. Given the madness they've shown to this point. Guy's supposed to be the one of the best manipulators on the planet and he can't figure that out? Why throw away a tool, if so?
Tisis's turn. I don't really buy her being amenable to Kip. Really, we're meant to believe that she's on Kips side but only because Kip says she is and can't tell she's being insincere...which doesn't mean that she suddenly is sincere or a good person. Given the family around her, she could easily be just as nuts as the rest of them and that might be why Kip wouldn't be able to see through her. I dunno about you all but, were I a power hungry corrupt chromerian. I'd be more than a little upset at the person who cost me my place as a color.
Liv. Yeah I said it. Oh I'm sure she'll develop into something cool/totally worth the side switching and all that whatnot. Maybe she'll be used to give us insight on those godfigures by taking the seed crystal into herself. To be honest she's not objectively a negative, I just don't like her. At all. I don't think her choices hold up to logical scrutiny despite, you know, the whole superviolet thing.
I also don't really like how it's unclear what happened to the blinders knife. That thing's pretty important and it basically disappears from sight in this book.
Good bits: Heh. Does everything else count? I've tried to read some other fantasy authors and it becomes immediately clear they haven't done their homework on combat. It's almost bad that I've read Brent's work now because I just see through everyone else's combat situations. They simply don't hold up to scrutiny. In the end I'm glad he maintained that level of thoroughness here and I don't mind that there wasn't a large scale full on battle. I'm here for the full ride, all four books. Three clearly plays a considerably larger part in that with all the development that occurs here.
(Though that said, it doesn't have the same level of cliffhanger that Knife did).
I was actually hoping that Dazen would draft Black Luxin and wipe out that place. But I suspected there would actually be a rescue party there-mostly because I'm too used to Brent's storyflow/twists-so I knew that he wouldn't let him anyways because that would destroy the following scene. But I don't find myself rooting for characters to take specific actions very often, I'm usually pretty passive. So that's a good testament to Brent's skill. It's of course not the only time in his work but, it stands in stark contrast to most other examples because I'm rooting for basically a small apocalypse.
To be honest, prior to this book I was curious about the kind of world that lightbringer is set in. The previous two, for the most part. Only seemed flushed out give or take 20 years and the modern time. Didn't really seem like there was anything to the actual history of the world there. Even the glossary is only used for that 20 year time period. Broken Eye rectified that quite effectively. Introducing a tidal wave of the history. Maybe a bit too much for one book but hey, I'll take it.
(Though, the beginning was rather slow on reflection. Maybe if that had been placed a chapter or two later. Coming straight into this off of doing a re-read of Prism and Knife was too much of a tone change, should have started with Gavin or Kip as opposed to the whale foreshadowing bit.)
Though, really. I just now finished reading, fresh from the book. And I think there's too much to be resolved in one final book. I can see this going for another two or three books in a more natural flow. I'm a bit afraid it'll revert to Night Angel where all these super powerful artifacts come into play and things get resolved waaaaay too quickly and suddenly. I don't want that to happen. (I mean Kip just hands T the original shimmercloak that he just gets? That was a bit too night angely.)
Speculation time!
Dazen is lightbringer. Objectively it could still be either of them, probably the scale is tilted in Kip's favor especially with all his Kylar-esque scenes. I just think that conversation with Quentin was way too convenient of a way to divert our suspicion off of Dazen and onto Kip. I'm sure it'll just twist back to Dazen.
(Side note: Expected a Half the light of the world reference here. Was a bit surprised Brent didn't take full advantage of that, actually. If you don't get that reference do yourself a favor and don't Google it, it's a spoiler for a completely separate series.)
I don't think I have anything else to speculate at the moment so I'll stop with that.
Um.... hmm...what else... I guess to address some statements earlier.
I wasn't too bothered by Ironfist, in fact I more or less expected it from his reactions/statements in previous conversations whenever he was entrusted with some secret. Especially his conversations with T. Grinwoody completely took me by surprise though, since when did Ironfist have an uncle? meh.
Though on reflection, I'm not sure my expectation actually made sense...doesn't he have internal thoughts that we get to hear? Doesn't he have pretty high faith/respect for portions of the Chromeria? Why would he be with The Order given that? Isn't the point of The Order to destroy the Chromeria? Hm. Odd.
I'm losing focus and this is quite long as it is. So I'll leave it at that until further discussion. :)
I'm also not entirely convinced that Koios is actually capable of drafting black luxin. I'd need a more knowledgeable character to actually examine the things he's been providing the drafters. I don't actually even get the impression that he himself made those necklaces.
i agree with you on koios... if he's going to draft anything unordinary, id bet on it being white luxin
We saw in Garriston that white luxin in raw form is pretty powerful, I wonder how much more cataclysmic could be? Many of us hope Dazen will draft white again, but here's the dilemma - isn't white light all colours combined, and black absence of colour? If Dazen can't see colours can he truly absorb white light?Where is white seed crystal? If Chromeria had the black one the white is or was beyond the Everdark gates, and Koios stole it.
I'll think on that some more but I'm on my phone and this just occurred to me. where is the paryl crystal?
Joanna wrote: "We saw in Garriston that white luxin in raw form is pretty powerful, I wonder how much more cataclysmic could be? Many of us hope Dazen will draft white again, but here's the dilemma - isn't white..."It's hard to say what white and black luxin is in terms of color mix. You would have to know whether to take the original light for the color basis, or solid color combinations for color theory, since luxin is light become matter. If light only, white light is a combination of all colors. Solid, white is indicative of no color. In light, black is the absence of light, whereas in, for example, paint colors, you can get black by combining all colors. Personally, for Davin, I think black is all colors at once....but we'll see.
It might be worth asking Brent Weeks what parts of color theory apply to solid luxin-light color theory. Helpful info link for color theory https://sites.google.com/site/science...
access to the great library would be helpful... everything we would ever need to find this stuff out, including The Blood Mirror since it goes to the future
Joanna wrote: "We saw in Garriston that white luxin in raw form is pretty powerful, I wonder how much more cataclysmic could be? Many of us hope Dazen will draft white again, but here's the dilemma - isn't white..."I too think black luxin is the combination of all colors. I think white luxin is light with the absence of colors. A person can be color blind and still see but without the spectrum of colors. They see only white and black and their combinations of gray, but a blind person sees only black because they do have the absence of light and thus no colors. They would never be able to produce black luxin.
Dazen still has his colors but he is color blind so logically he should be able to draft white and black luxin and possibly the invisible colors that can't be seen which are beyond the color spectrum.
he doesn't have his colors... otherwise he could still use blue in BK.. he splits white light he doesnt need a blue source so he is color blind and he's lost all ability to draft with the exception as black as far as we know... maybe he can do white.. but those are the 2 we know
Jordan wrote: "he doesn't have his colors... otherwise he could still use blue in BK.. he splits white light he doesnt need a blue source so he is color blind and he's lost all ability to draft with the exception..."When he lost blue and then green he became color blind to them. He said a couple of times that he could "feel" the colors but he couldn't see them to draft them.
take away your ability to taste apples... lets say you eat an apple pie. you can feel that they're there but you've still lost apples. same thing here. he splits white light but that doesnt mean that he sees a kaleidoscope of colors. Losing the colors takes away the sensation of them... in this it means he now cant see them... its a case of he cant draft it so now he cant see them instead of he cant see them so now he cant draft them
Ok so let's talk characters first: I just want to say that I actually nearly cried when I found out about ironfist I actually can't believe it and in total denial. I actually loved Andross in this book he is so delightfully horrible that I just can't wait to find out what he has up his sleeve. And was lot expecting Grinwoody!!! Gavin! What can I say, the whole time reading I was hoping it would work out for him but I think the way he has risen and fallen so dramatically, in both circumstances, has been handled incredibly well.
I really enjoyed the Teia chapters. I really didn't think I was going to like her that much but I definitely can't wait to find out more about her story arc.
If there was one thing I would criticise would be the whole kip and Tisis marriage?! This is definitely a re read so many parts of this book are a blur am hoping some things become clearer now that I can breath again.
Kip and Tisis isn't that surprising lol remember? Kylar, Vi and Elene?
Yeah I suppose it shouldn't have been that surprising to me but I think I read it in such a hurry I missed the little things ha thanks for reminding me of that!!
I still REALLY think there is much more to be revealed about Kip's birth. I'm more and more convinced that Lina is not his real mother; and that Zymun was brought up to think he is of a lineage he is not.But I'm at the beginning of going back to "The Black Prism" and digging for evidence. Lina could well be someone who was left with Kip's guardianship and I think that we will find out more about Master Danavis in connection with looking out for Kip in his early years. Aglaia Crassos was certainly digging for evidence of Lina being or not being Kip's mother, in "The Black Prism". Just what do the spy networks know that we don't? Just a bunch of random thoughts right now...Why isn't book four coming out tomorrow???? Argh! LOL.
idk limelight... its just too cliche for brent's style in my opinion
