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Hazelwileyed wrote: "Good point Samantha.Wait.....can someone link the UK POV, I somehow missed that and I fear I won't be able to get through my night without reading it now :)
As for who will help Cruce escape I w..."
It is in the countdown thread? Check there first.
Hmmm. I didn't even think Margery but that is cool with me.
I doubt the unseelie queen/concubine will fall back in love with the king quickly! She has changed sooo much. But personally, if some dude left me for long periods of time alone locked in a palace by myself and only visited me on occasion, when I woke up in his arms I wouldn't just be screaming, I would be out for vengeance! I think he was kind of a jerk.
Yea even though the UK has really no human frame of reference, or cares for his own kind and creations, I don't think he should get the love of his life back right away. He needs to work for it, being responsible for the destruction of worlds and billions of people and not caring as long as you get your woman because everything he did was about her isn't really romantic for me. It's not aw, such a sweet love story. I mean yea the original queen should of just let him have her rather that fight a war about it, but that's over and done with. After all this time and how many people suffered and lost their own wives, husbands, children, family, friends, and loves, I don't think he should be happy and get his. Now yet anyway. I do like him, his parts and interactions with Mac were always amusing.
Oh he won't get his way right away. I think he will be a big part in fixing things. Or he will get his just deserves.
You think something will happen like, he'll turn back time or use whatever magic power to change the world back to the way it was, and all the people who have died are no longer dead, and it ends with everyone alive and happy? I'd hate that I think it happened in the vampire diaries book (where it was like the previous 12 books or however many and everything they went through never happened). Didn't the evil book tell Mac it could bring her sister back, or whoever she wanted?
That would suck, Kristen. Who wants to read that? I don't know what he will do.I wonder will the UK take the book out of Mac. That would be another test for her. How big and bad are you now that the book is out of you? Can she survive it coming out? It seems to be eating away at her.
Oh it does suck, a similar thing happened in what used to be my favorite book series, completely ruined it for me, I was so distressed I couldn't even look at the covers let alone reread them (for the millionth time). Needless to say I now despise my past love, and will never read that author again. Though some people obviously wanted to read that, and were ecstatic that they did. Just goes to show in the book were there are different species of humans I might never understand.Mac want him to take the book out, but yea than what does she have? She can freeze fae for a few seconds (which they know she can do), and she has the spear (which the fae king wants to destroy, since he mentioned getting rid of the few threats and things that can kill his Queen). Guess Barrons will have to pick up the slack, since V'lane isn't there to play errand boy. And Mac wants to keep the spear, since she hates the possibility of living for ever and healing quickly, it's too much of a burden for her, and I don't want to hear her complaining about it some more. Which is funny, she says how much she's completely in love and obsessed with Barrons, yet doesn't have any desire to live with him forever? What did she think would happen when she looked like a grandma? I doubt she could handle sex with him, and he needs it, guess she'd tell him to suffer?
If Darroc thought he could control the book, why can't Mac?
I don't know. Just from that snippet, she seems to be having a pity party and I'm not sure the extent of which she is trying to really control the book or learn how. It seems to be some training going on. Barrons says they will train.
Kristen, your comment made me curious. What book was it that you hate so much? I want to check it out lol
Cookie wrote: "Kristen, your comment made me curious. What book was it that you hate so much? I want to check it out lol"Devil! LOL
Hey you notice when Mac asks for advice and someone like say Barrons gives it to her, she gets made at what he has to say even though he's being honest and she knows he's right? I don't see how Barrons can train her, when there is no precedent and this is something he isn't familiar with. I mean the book seems to be way older, smarter, and yea more vicious. Unless they're training in self control? Or how he trained her to be around the pages of the book when they were just copies getting ready for the real thing? Or maybe putting her into situations that are so dangerous the book offers up some spells or runes so Mac makes it through in one piece? She doesn't know what the runes it offers are or how to summon them on her own, it seems her inner demon just does it for her and gets her ignorant.
Well I thought he might be training her in self control. She said she blacked out. That's harsh. waking up to find out you killed people. He will keep trying. That's for sure.
Well the Vampire diaries series I started back in my younger days, then read like two of them after the ghost writer took over, then read some comments and reviews on two of them (the final books in the series maybe?), and discovered what happened and how it ended. The heartbreaker one was Charlaine Harris Sookie Stackhouse series (and I won't bore you guys with my rant, it's an angry one to say the least and might go out for quite a while once started), some people loved how it ended, but I had a lot of issues about it.
oh yeah, I remember reading an article in the times about charlaine harris ending that series. she said she got death threats and people writing saying they would commit suicide if she didn't end it a certain way or make the protagonist end up with the person they thought she should be with. it was all a big deal, right? i never did read the series.
Kristen wrote: "Well the Vampire diaries series I started back in my younger days, then read like two of them after the ghost writer took over, then read some comments and reviews on two of them (the final books i..."I'm with you all the way on the Stackhouse books! I was so pissed I have never read the last one. Harris completely ruined her own series after such great books. I heard rumors that a ghost writer finished the series but I don't know if that's true. Sookie ending up with you know who was complete BS!
Kristen wrote: "Well the Vampire diaries series I started back in my younger days, then read like two of them after the ghost writer took over, then read some comments and reviews on two of them (the final books i..."I wasn't happy with VD either and the show isn't any better for me. I stopped watching two seasons ago.
I heard that too, but yea I wasn't one of those people that's just craziness. I get invested in a series the characters sort of become real like when something really awful and sad happens and you get teary eyed and stuff, but suicide and death threats? That's real life and way over the top.I just felt like the last two books didn't stay true to the characters or story, and the way it ended defeated the purpose of all the hardships, changes, and overall evolution of the character(s). It got to the point when the characters I was following and loved didn't even sound like themselves, like a ghost writer who didn't even read or skim the books took over. And the way it ended could of ended in the first or second book, it was kind of out of no where, settling just to end the series kind of thing. To me the bad guys who did all these terrible things get what they want and won in the end, and the good ones get crap endings, my favorite character got sold in what was virtual sex slavery and basically what little freedom and happiness he acquired went out the window (though 200 years down the line supposedly he's okay), the main character just gave up in the end didn't put up a fight for the people she loved or things she believed in, just settled in the mediocre life she never wanted or felt comfortable in.
I could go on, but I said I wouldn't rant. So that's just a little of how I felt/ feel about it. Like who are these people, and I stayed loyal and feel in love with the line and developments only for it to revert to this? The threats thing is nutso though. I just started reading other authors is all. It's not a series I'd recommend, but who knows you might feel differently. Also I think I read somewhere that the author took a time out after the book was released because she knew there'd be a lot of backlash, and that a lot of her readers wouldn't be happy? I've known some people who didn't like a book series or got annoyed with it, but I haven't heard any other authors get treatment like that and I haven't really seen evidence of it, so who knows.
Oh it was Charlaine Harris who finished that series alright. I'm one of the people who believe we were lead on to believe the book was going in a certain direction for higher book sales and because it paid well and kept readers. It felt like a slap in the face to me. And yea I couldn't stand to read the last book, my stomach couldn't handle it.
it must have been a very good series at first to get people that crazy obsessed and engaged in the story! :)
Oh it was a great series, I have no idea how many times I read the books up until that book. Except the last book. You know how people discuss and speculate about a book series and come up with theories on what they think will happen not just what they want to happen based on actual evidence, and hints in the book? Where you get to know the characters and what their reactions to things will be, what they value just a sense of who they are or their potential on what they can accomplish and become? Well no one saw this coming because there was NO evidence or hints or anything in the book that supported it. It was a complete 180, twilight zone thing. It was like a different book with different characters who I never saw before, or even understood, and these people sucked they weren't the type of characters I'd read about. I don't mind a book not ending my way, or things to happen differently, I have a lot of books I still love and authors I follow who did that, but there was at least an early book support structure where I could say "Ooh okay the other books were leading to this, or so that's where this came from, and why this happened and went in this particular direction.Does that make sense?
Okay so Ryodan and Dani have this chemistry or connection, understanding right? And their storyline is working up to a certain point, a goal? Their developing. Then all of a sudden after everything they experienced and went through together, the changes and sacrifices they've had to make, Dani decides it's too much, not worth the effort, she has no interest in Ryodan because she can have a safe boring life with say....some random normal human who wasn't interesting or important in the overall storyline (I can't even find one in KMM's series because their all too interesting for this example), I'd use Dancer as an example except he seems like a character whose hiding something, still he's the closet one I'd have to use, so Dani comes back in Burned at 19 settles down with him and they have a baby, the next few years is a happy normal life (the one Dani didn't really want and didn't think she could have, now she does). Ryodan mean while had love Dani more than anyone in thousands of years and sacrifices himself to save her and ends up a sex slave to.....one of the bad guys. lol that's that closet I could come.
Kristen you described by feelings perfectly regarding the Stackhouse series. I was really let down but I absolutely didn't agree with people going crazy on her. It's like how some people are acting now upon hearing Benedict Cumberbatch and his soon to be wife are expecting. I get very emotionally invested in books and certain TV series but not to the point of psycho.
It might be one of those things that were over looked or it might just be that Ryodan is not human so he doesn't feel things the way a human would. He could know about hypothermia but doesn't know what to do when encountered with it. He wouldn't experience it. Dancer, if really the human genius he is portrayed as, would know what to do to care for someone experiencing it. They wanted to warm her up but they wanted to freeze frame her out of there. Not good. You are not thinking too much about Dancer. Something is missing in his story. I can't wait to discover what it is.
Gothcupcake wrote: "Random question: Is anyone here suspicious of Dancer? I mean, he disappears all the time without a trace, and appears rather conveniently in my opinion.
My mind is thinking too much about this ..."
Gothcupcake, I think your suspicions are spot on. But no matter what Dancer is up to, it seems he realllly cares for Dani deeply. I think that is what Kat said when she saw the two of them--that he has a dark secret but cares deeply for Dani. Someone else mentioned that maybe the bracelet Dancer gave Dani was to track her. I thought that was a pretty good idea.
I hope we get lots of Dani/Dancer time in Burned and that Dani can experience what it feels like to have a human boyfriend and a first kiss, etc in a sweet way.
Little Feather wrote: "I hope we get lots of Dani/Dancer time in Burned and that Dani can experience what it feels like to have a human boyfriend and a first kiss, etc in a sweet way. "Yeah, I really want Dancer to be her first boyfriend. Those two are really sweet together. I think that way she can get the first time she's always wanted as well. And then when Dancer reveals his dark secret or whatever, it can be a catalyst for Dani to change and mature.
After receiving something so sweet to see the true bad will definitely make her emotionally grow.
Samantha wrote: "After receiving something so sweet to see the true bad will definitely make her emotionally grow."Gosh darnit, I'm so excited to see Dani as an emotionally mature woman. Lol, I wonder how much Dani slang KMM will incorporate into Dani's adult POV. Hopefully Dani retains her snarky sense of humour.
I don't mind her slang as long as it is adult like and use when need be. But I want her to retain her sense of humor. She is funny.
I just wish Mac wasn't choking Dani out of her own story...There are like 7 POVS and I don't see how Dani and Ryo are going to get enough screen time for their relationship to build and play out...
Yes Heather I know!! How you feel but maybe it's not Mac or Dani story!! Maybe it's there story they both need each other to make right what was broken!!
Samantha wrote: "After receiving something so sweet to see the true bad will definitely make her emotionally grow."Also, if her love life with Dancer is sweet and awesome (crosses fingers) that would be so good for her first time. I imagine with Ryodan it will be... lol... VERY different! Hot and crazy. But to be with Ryodan her first time just seems wrong! Even though I can't wait for them to be together.
You know how Mac and Barrons have relationship "boundaries" where they use different names, act and treat each other differently outside of the bedroom? I think when Ryodan and Dani get together the weren't have boundaries like that, though I don't think they'll live in each others pockets either. I don't get too much how Mac and Barrons relationship has changed, just now Mac admitted to willingly want to have sex with Barrons, they still seem so distant. I don't like that the have the boundaries like they do, it seems so distant and far apart, like not much has changed since the admitted they loved each other, though weirdly enough they refuse to say those words.
I think it is because we don't see Ryodan as sweet and caring?That might change, KMM said plot him out of your souls hemisphere !!! Ryodan might just be the love off all the fanatics life by the end off the fever series!! Even Barron's lady's might go ga ga over Ryodan?
I would really love for Ryodan to call Dani "Danielle" instead. Because that might signify the change in how he perceives her, from a girl to a woman.
Cookie wrote: "I would really love for Ryodan to call Dani "Danielle" instead. Because that might signify the change in how he perceives her, from a girl to a woman."Ooo, I love that. Cookie :) , btw, I thought I didn't want spoilers, but I take that back. Bring on the spoilers. Anytime! I want to contact the person you found to squeez out more ...haha, i will not post it publicly for the others here. But if you find more spoilers Please msg them to me also :)
lol oh gosh I wouldn't mind Mac checking Ryodan out, if only to see Barrons bug eyed reaction. Boundaries Barrons boundaries. Think admiring the second in command would crack some of that icy shell?
I don't see Barron's ever changing!He had a child and was a husband? I think it's because he loved when he was still mortal? But Ryodan never aloud himself to care for any one. I get this feeling that Dani is going to be truly the love of Ryodan's life? This might just be the crazy talk of a romantic but I hope that I am right on this. Dani needs to feel crazy loved! If Ryodan never let himself love because it was a waist of time!! I mean there immortal but the woman r not! Then he will be new to the falling in love too just like Dani?
Yes I don't think Dani and Ryodan will have that weird, messed up thing that Mac and Barrons have. Ryodan has always treated Dani fairly equally, despite their age difference. I love how he tells her not to change when she is stubborn and says she won't listen to anyone. I love how she makes him laugh.
I finally am excited again for this book. I hope everything pans out and I really want to know more about the 9 in general and Ryodan in particular. I always liked Barrons fair enough not so much Mac. I hate to say it but all of the snippets that have been released with Mac and Barrons have seemed pretty boring to me, in Iced Dani and Ryodan (mind you it was a 14 and a 1000s year old whatever he is) was never boring. They said interesting things to one another and their viewpoints were original. It always feels like Mac and Barrons dialogue is the same. Moning uses the same analogies over and over again and the same wording to describe scenes so it feels redundant, at least to me. Hoping that in this book their relationship takes a new direction and becomes more enjoyable to me at least.
I don't remember Barrons being married. I kind of though his "she who he holds above all others" was some kind of goddess or being he worshipped. Didn't he mention not knowing about his son (or the fact that he was changed too) until he saw him when Barrons took the kill for hire contract? We haven't heard any mention of the boys mother, his name, or any interactions Barrons had with him when he was a human child before his death. Also when Mac first saw the boy in the cage he was speaking to her in a language she didn't know, the only thing she could make out was something that sounded like mama? (Yes that part broke my heart), I wonder what he was saying to her?
I don't remember anything about him not knowing about his son before. Did I miss that? It seems like in the time he lived it marriage would have been very common. I could see him being married back then.
Barron's son was with them in the dessert when they got damned! He mentions there that his son raised and all was well with his world. His son got killed I few days later and for a long time they did not know what they where! In that time his son was captured by a group of his enemies in the dessert ,they killed the child and see him come back to life then they started killing him over and over again. As soon as Barron's was ask to kill the beast he new that it's his son!
Yes I agree Little feather marriage was very common!
Yes you get this feeling that Barron's wanted a home life?? He took the one woman to his house! Lack for better word!! And after making love to her he killed her!!
Inanda wrote: "Yes you get this feeling that Barron's wanted a home life?? He took the one woman to his house! Lack for better word!! And after making love to her he killed her!!"i always forget those things. I would imagine Barrons is more lonely than the other 9. At least they live together, have each other for company. But it is interesting because even Fiona around for years gives a sense of domestication, I feel like BArrons would cringe reading that comment.
Yea and why did he tell Mac he "made love to her" but F'cks Mac? Mac got mad about that when she noticed the choice of words, than questions later if there's really a difference?And I remember Barrons talking about that guy he knows that was given the fairly juice and was 4,000 years old. So I'm guessing Barrons was even a lot older than that. My historys not so good but I guess marriage was important, even to a barbarian?
I always got the feeling that before they where damned Barron's was the old one of the group! Like 38 and the rest was younger then him maybe between 28 and 35?
Kasteo is the one who hasn't spoken in a thousand years. I actually think he will come around. Him becoming craze might be the obvious.
I had wonder about the Queen and the King as well. I want him to get his woman. He is so passionate about it. Crazy Fae! LOL. After all of this, why not?