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message 601: by LynnB (new)

LynnB | 1769 comments Ok, novellas and anthologies are way down on my list of enjoyed books --- but so were graphic novels, and I did find some that I liked in that category. So, I'm off to discover what books might work for me in this new one!


message 602: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments for me - I find that it takes a really good author to write an excellent novella/anthology entry because they are constrained by length...i've found some new favorites that way


message 603: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments everyone is being really quiet - hope you guys like the pick :) but bump


message 604: by Slayermel (new)

Slayermel | 664 comments I don't think I have read one before, so this will be new and different for me :0)
I do see a few on the list that I would like to try and apparently I own a couple lol


Lyn (Readinghearts) (lsmeadows) | 2895 comments Mod
I have a couple picked out, although I have sucked at keeping up with this group lately. Some day I will get back on track.


message 606: by Luann (last edited Sep 23, 2011 01:46AM) (new)

Luann (azbookgal) | 1017 comments Hey, fun pick, Dee! That's what this group is all about - reading something different.

ETA: Looks like there's an anthology for every type of genre out there! I've read some of the science fiction and fantasy titles, but still see LOTS to choose from there.

Also, I didn't look at more than 8 or 9 pages of the shelf, but I didn't see Harry Potter there. :)


message 607: by Bea (new)

Bea | 5296 comments Mod
Luann wrote: "Also, I didn't look at more than 8 or 9 pages of the shelf, but I didn't see Harry Potter there. :)"

No, but a book by JK Rowling (The Tales of Beedle the Bard) is on page 13 of the list. :)


message 608: by Bea (new)

Bea | 5296 comments Mod
OK, after scrolling through 20 pages of the list, I found 4 books that are on my TBR list. Three of them are available through my library. So, I will see if I can get them.


message 609: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments yay, no harry potter! don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the series, but does it really fit into every genre...its like twilight


message 610: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
I have one of the huge "year's best" science fiction compendiums on my bedside table. It's not one to finish in a month -- I usually savor them over months. But I'll undoubtedly read some in it, I also found some new science fiction and mystery anthologies I hadn't known about. So I'll have plenty to enjoy. Thanks, Dee.


message 611: by Lahni (new)

Lahni | 660 comments I'll admit this is a hard shelf for me. I'm trying to fit all the books I'm reading into a reading challenge I'm trying to finish up. The last few shelf choices have been difficult for me that way and honestly I was hoping for an easier shelf this time. Plus this shelf seems to be 85% heavy romance/erotica (which I don't read) and 10% sci-fi (which I don't love). I did go through all 228 pages though (glutton for punishment - I know) and I did come up with a list of good possibilities though.

The Harry Potter comment made me laugh because there are some non-anthology books on the list. Ella Enchanted was one that surprised me.


message 612: by Candiss (new)

Candiss (tantara) I love anthologies! Great pick, Dee!

By the way, I've always seen an anthology definied as "a collection of short stories, often grouped by a theme, written by different authors", whereas a collection is defined as "a selection of short stories all written by the same author." Not that it matters much, as we pick from whatever other readers have shelved on the monthly shelf... But little things like this get to me enough to note them, especially when there are mis-shelvings (which I think we all can get wigged out by on occasion, depending on the shelf and our personal quirks.)

Ok, off the soap box and on to the shelf! ;)


message 613: by Lahni (new)

Lahni | 660 comments Candiss wrote: "I love anthologies! Great pick, Dee!

By the way, I've always seen an anthology definied as "a collection of short stories, often grouped by a theme, written by different authors", whereas a coll..."


So what is a collection of novels grouped in the same book? For example the Lord of the Rings trilogy all bound together?


message 614: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments I'd call them an omnibus - but I don't know if that is correct or not


Lyn (Readinghearts) (lsmeadows) | 2895 comments Mod
The ones that interested me were the Stephen King books. I think every one of his books is on the list, even though most of them are stand alones.


message 616: by Candiss (new)

Candiss (tantara) Dee wrote: "I'd call them an omnibus - but I don't know if that is correct or not"

Ditto. I've always heard of 'multiple novels in one volume' labeled thusly, as well.


message 617: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments I don't know if you could call any of king's books anthologys, but Green Mile was originally issued as a serial - I think it came out in 6 parts over a 6 month period


message 618: by Luann (new)

Luann (azbookgal) | 1017 comments I wondered why I saw some Stephen King books on that shelf! Strange.


message 619: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) Well, not only does this group nudge me to read out of my comfort zone (i.e. graphic novels, romance and now anthology) but I also learn a lot. Now I know the difference between an anthology, an omnibus, and a collection. :)


message 620: by Slayermel (new)

Slayermel | 664 comments Me too yay!!! (I did always wonder but was to embarrassed to ask) ;0p


message 621: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) THe only thing I don't like about this shelf (I found two books I've wanted to read FOREVER which will fit) is that now I have to try to come up with something clever for the title of the quotes thread!


message 622: by Slayermel (new)

Slayermel | 664 comments hehe, good luck with that Lynne ;op


message 623: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments if it makes you feel any better lynne - I got to come up with a picture!! lol!


message 624: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Lahni wrote: "I'll admit this is a hard shelf for me. ... Plus this shelf seems to be 85% heavy romance/erotica (which I don't read) and 10% sci-fi (which I don't love). "

I noticed the disproportionate amount of hard sex/romance, too, Lahni. I think it's an unfortunate effect of the fact that books read by more people get put on more shelves. I've found some wonderful ones in the past that could've been on our monthly shelf, but weren't because so few people had read them.

It makes me wish again that GR had a way to select within shelves. Wouldn't it have been nice to ask to see any on "anthology" that weren't also on "erotica"? Or on "anthology" that were also on a particular shelf you might like, like mystery or historical fiction?


message 625: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
A recommendation for those of you having trouble finding this on this shelf:
Am I Blue?:Coming Out from the Silence is a terrific anthology for young adults who might be wondering what being gay means. The title story in particular is wonderful, but most of them are very good. The whole anthology is gentle and sensitive enough that we were comfortable getting it for our middle school, but it could appeal to high school students as well.


message 626: by Dee (last edited Sep 25, 2011 08:23AM) (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments if you know a book that is an anthology, you can look at its shelves specifically and see if it fits - I did that for a few because I didn't want to go through all the pages

I did ask the powers that be about the shelf question a few months back, for like I want to see a book that is on contemporary; contemporary-fiction and english...Otis liked the idea, but haven't heard anything about it since


message 627: by Lynne (last edited Sep 25, 2011 05:36PM) (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) If you want to find mystery anthologies or scifi anthologies ect. go to the shelf and select any book in your chosen category. When you bring up that book it will give you other lists that book is on. Some of them are quite specific.


message 628: by Bea (new)

Bea | 5296 comments Mod
I own a copy of The New Mystery: 2, which has not been shelved much on GR. It is a true anthology of mystery stories by PD James, James Ellroy, Sue Grafton, Tony Hillerman, Lawrence Block, Jorge Luis Borges, Sara Paretsky, Joyce Carol Oates and more (a total of 42 authors). Can I use it even though GR barely knows it?


message 629: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) Bea wrote: "I own a copy of The New Mystery: 2, which has not been shelved much on GR. It is a true anthology of mystery stories by PD James, James Ellroy, Sue Grafton, Tony Hillerman, Lawrence..."

I always say yes. If Harry Potter can be on almost every shelf then I would say you are at least sticking to the spirit of the group if not the letter of the law. This is only my personal opinion (in fact...I am cheating this month by using two books I own which are on the anthology-collections shelf, but not on the anthology "only" shelf), I am not wieghing in as a mod.


message 630: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Lynne wrote: "I always say yes. If Harry Potter can be on almost every shelf then I would say you are at least sticking to the spirit of the group if not the letter of the law. This is only my personal opinion, I am not weighing in as a mod. "

I think there might be two different questions embedded here, and they may have different answers.
(1) Do we count it as on the shelf in order to post reviews and quotes for each other, and expand all our horizons? (I suspect this is the question Lynne is answering.)
(2) Can the book earn the extra 25 points in the ROAR challenge for being on the month's shelf?

I think it's possible that the answer to #1 could be yes, while the answer to #2 is no, just so we're all operating on the same playing field when we're adding up points.

For example, a book someone reviewed favorably earlier this year, Japanese Tales, is on "anthologies," but not on "anthology". If it fit somewhere in my ROAR challenge, I'm assuming I couldn't take the extra 25 points for it.

Could we have a moderator ruling? Would that be from Kazza? How precise should we be in order to claim ROAR points for a book?


message 631: by Tien (new)

Tien (tiensblurb) | 9032 comments Mod
Bea, it makes it hard when you are listed as the only reader of the book, ha ha ha...

Thank you Lynne & Susan for your thoughts and they are quite in my wavelengths.

I haven't been very strict in respect of monthly reading from shelves as long as they are in the spirit of the picked shelf. This would also work in reverse (ie. if they're on the picked shelf but don't really belong there, so be careful).

For ROAR, the book must strictly be listed on the picked shelf for the bonus points.


message 632: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) I totally agree. It shouldn't count for points in a challenge, but it is a-ok for group discussions. Of course I would say that as neither of my books for this month is on the "anthology" shelf, only on "anthology-collections".


message 633: by Lahni (last edited Sep 30, 2011 01:27AM) (new)

Lahni | 660 comments I think if the month is "anthology" and the book is on the "anthology" shelf then it should be able to count for points. We all have access to the same shelf with the same titles so the playing field is fair. But it should match the shelf exactly, "anthologies" wouldn't count.

I know I shelf books in a way that may be confusing or odd to some (especially purists) but actually my system is well thought out and makes sense to me. I determined my shelves for my own benefit and not for the greater good of GoodReads. I don't want 100+ shelves to cover every possible genre/subgenre/theme. I have to assume that whoever put x book on y shelf had a, to them, logical reason and therefore it should stand.

I'm not even sure if any of that made sense. It's very late here but I can't sleep since there is a mouse in my bedroom. We have been trying to get rid of it for almost a week. I felt it on my back as I was waking up a few days ago and then saw it run from the room. We saw it again tonight. Yech!


message 634: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Lahni wrote: "I think if the month is "anthology" and the book is on the "anthology" shelf then it should be able to count for points. We all have access to the same shelf with the same titles so the playing fi..."

What I thought Kazza said was that it does count for points if (and only if)it's on the exact named shelf.

Her caution about things that "don't really belong there" seemed to me to be for posting reports and quotes on the shelf-of-the-month list. But I like Lahni's interpretation for that. Sometimes, we wouldn't even know something wasn't shelved "appropriately" until we've read it. And this month I've seen a lot that are listed on the shelf, but are single authors. By the definition someone looked up earlier, they wouldn't "really belong there," but a lot of people think they do -- I think trying to rule out things like that could get us into too much fine tuning. And, as to the point of the shelves, it will definitely be stretching my wings to read anything I find on the shelf this month, whether we might think it belongs there or not.


message 635: by Bea (last edited Sep 30, 2011 03:44AM) (new)

Bea | 5296 comments Mod
Let's see if I got Kazza's ruling correct. I could read The New Mystery: The International Association of Crime Writers' Essential Crime Writing of the Late 20th Century because it is an anthology, but I could not count it for points since it is not shelved as anthology on GR.

Since I seldom take points for the monthly book as it is not often read in the correct month, that is acceptable to me. My goal is to expand the genres that I read so I am just aiming to read something from each monthly shelf. (I still have January and May monthly shelves to read.)

I just cannot afford to buy a book, and I do have several anthologies here at home. Although it appears, they are not popular ones.


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Lahni | 660 comments Dee - Great job on the avatar!


message 637: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments microsoft ppt and word art are my friends ;) cause I couldn't find a good anthology picture


message 638: by Lahni (new)

Lahni | 660 comments You really went above and beyond on that one!


message 639: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) Bea wrote: "Let's see if I got Kazza's ruling correct. I could read The New Mystery: The International Association of Crime Writers' Essential Crime Writing of the Late 20th Century because it ..."

I think you hit the nail on the head Bea.


message 640: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) Uh oh, someone who made their OWN avatar...now the pressure is REALLY on the rest of us! LOL


message 641: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments well, i couldn't find a good picture...lol! i looked...


message 642: by Arlene (new)

Arlene | 145 comments I think that if the shelf is called "anthology" but that there is another shelf that is called "anthologies" that they really are the same so we should be able to choose a book from either one. After all it is people like us who are "shelving" the books, not some panel of librarians, editors or lit teachers! I may have a shelf called mystery and someone else calls theirs mysteries. As we say here in Denver, "same diff". just saying!


message 643: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Arlene wrote: "I think that if the shelf is called "anthology" but that there is another shelf that is called "anthologies" that they really are the same so we should be able to choose a book from either one. Af..."

I think we've agreed that that is fine except for when we're earning points for the ROAR challenge. After all, the mini-SAT shelf choices are sometimes even built around those similar variants.

For the future, one thing shelf pickers can choose to do when there are such similar shelves is to include both of them when they're naming their choice. One time someone said the shelf was either "Asia" or "Asian." And last summer, I specified a group of 3: "Latin America," "Latin American," and "Latino."


message 644: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments oh, I didn't realize I could do that ;)


message 645: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Dee wrote: "oh, I didn't realize I could do that ;)"

Well, I don't think anyone ever officially said we could. But I noticed someone else had, so I did, too. And no-one complained, so I've continued to assume it's ok.


message 646: by Lynne (new)

Lynne (lmsindel) As I often say....I don't think the PAS police will be knocking on our door anytime soon!


message 647: by Susan (new)

Susan | 3753 comments Mod
Lynne wrote: "As I often say....I don't think the PAS police will be knocking on our door anytime soon!"

:)


message 648: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 2695 comments since this week is turning out to be one of those weeks and its only Tuesday - I went ahead and picked the person for next month and PM'd her - Luann will be the picker - hopefully it'll be something good


message 649: by Lahni (new)

Lahni | 660 comments Yay! Congrats, Luann! Can't wait to see your pick!


message 650: by Slayermel (new)

Slayermel | 664 comments Woo Hoo Luann :0) Can't wait to see what you choose :0)


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