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I doubt I agree with you Cay. But please expand on your thoughts. The Bible teaches that Jesus is our Savior and the King of Kings. We are to be His bride for all eternity in his Kingdom.
Does this orchestrated objective reduction fit into the Thief on the cross being saved? Yes or NO?
Rod, That does not help, as I am asking for science theory here. As you use a computer there are many ideas and science concepts behind it that I first looked at in reference to the bible before using the end product. Now Orchestrated objective reduction is a way to explain how our own brain works. The common explanation is that it just as a computer and after some time computers will be as humans once they have enough processing power. The Orchestrated objective reduction on the other hand says that the human brain works on far more complex structures in a nutshell and that we cannot emulate the creation by artificial engineering. So what I really hope is to find a Christian who sees the Bible as authority and can still argue science in detail, as I am unable to find those people in my community I started to post this.
God bless
Cay, you might try reading "Forbidden Gates", "The God Shaped Brain" or contact these authors and icr.org (Scientists that are Christians). After reading the article, this theory seeks to identify the substance of consciousness and treat disorders, like stealing, lying, murder and all sorts of evils and malfunctions. From "Forbidden Gates", man is seeking to tweaks the DNA of humans to product an ungraded human/model. Does the Bible address this? Yes and no. Man will try, but ultimately all will appear for judgment before Jesus. I'll try to be short. God breathed into man a living soul. The total definition of this soul in unknown. When man ate of the fruit of the tree of good and evil, the soul was corrupted, as we have today. God can tweak the soul. God confused the common language and divided the people into small camps at the Tower of Babel. Jesus knew the thoughts of man without their spoken words. The Bible states that knowledge will increase in these last days, and this article is a sign of that truth. This is a big step for man to be able to tweak with the conscious of others, and I do not think God will allow it. This is HIS area. This is my short answer.
John, many thanks. So you say that the only science that we should do is that what supports our beliefs, as this is what the icr.org folks are doing?
Cay wrote: "John, many thanks. So you say that the only science that we should do is that what supports our beliefs, as this is what the icr.org folks are doing?"I think the goal of these scientists is noble. I like the idea of solving problems through science. Not sure what all the icr.org are doing. They are Bible believing Christians. Tom and Nita Horn, the author of "Forbidden Gates" would be your best source for answers, but I will try and give you Bible truths as well. I believe the goal of this theory is to create a wonderful utopia on earth. Is that your take?
Cay comment:"Rod, That does not help..."
Oh, but it does. Science is a sneaky thing. We have to be careful with what we claim to find and figure out. It seems almost all scientists do what supports their beliefs: How do you think we got so much evolution CRAP?
IT is fun watching Muslim scientists support their claim. Hindu scientists support their claims. Buddhist scientists support their claims. Atheist scientists support their claims. Science is like a kid in a toy store deciding how to play. Pushing data in your fav direction is easy.
We need to do science honestly and skeptically.
A wise person once said: "theology is the Queen of the sciences."
For me theology is a bit of a mismanagement in terms of making a law of God as it clashes with Roman 6-8 in my view. If you take a computer and need to look at the von Neumann Architecture, how would theology help me?However if I ask the holy spirit and other Brothers do the same we get answers, as the Lord promised us to answer our questions. I come from a family of theologians. I have a direct family tree back to Martin Luther and I am the only non Theologian out of all my family with 46 of them and I have asked them with no result.
NO argument here Cay, most people who go around calling themselves "theologians" are idiots. (me too! from time to time.)God never promised us we would discover perfect theology - but the truth is there for us to see. Same as science. The challenge is that we must write some supernatural moments into our science... remember when human life appeared after trillions of years of it NOT-existing?
Cay I don't want to distract from your discussion on Orchestrated objective reduction, but I would enjoy discussing this problem you have with Romans 6-8.
Rod wrote: "NO argument here Cay, most people who go around calling themselves "theologians" are idiots. (me too! from time to time.)God never promised us we would discover perfect theology - but the truth i..."
For me that part is about the freedom of the law and the new life in Christ, but also that we should not lay a new law on us. So most Theologians I know are often doing this (see catechisms that are more important than the bible)
I generally ignore catechisms and such. I do enjoy the Bible and historic commentaries. The law hasn't changed, neither has freedom. Throughout existence everyone has always needed the correct Savior - most religions offer NO savior, and many Christians assume they save themselves.
Rod, maybe it is my background, but try to imagine you were born in a family of 400 years of theologians all the way Martin Luther. Now when you then found the beauty of the freedom, you may understand why I am allergic to some of it ;-)
Interesting Cay.It's never healthy to blindly trust tradition. Question everything as if it's the first time.
What is freedom without truth and responsibility?
I'm not a Martin Luther fan. I went right to the good stuff: William Tyndale - I would be honored to go back 400 years to him.
Now I personally think that this is much in line with what the bible teaches, however since I am just me and the bible teaches fellowship in all matters I like the view of some other Christians (with some science background).
Many thanks and God bless.