Episode 11: If Not For Hope

[Diane]

Airs in the US on 1/14/2019 (my birthday YAY!)

[Teresa]

Happy, Happy Birthday to you Diane! Brianna looking in the family way now. I like that through Jocasta, Brianna found out about her artistic connection to her family. Really dont care for that Capt. Wolf much, And haven't since he first appeared. So glad Brianna found a solution and didnt get stuck with him or the other smarmy fella. The shower dream/hallucination almost felt like it didnt fit to me. We've been away from the future for awhile, but i realize it was way to make his capture more dramatic. Bonnet must be the luckiest evil person who ever lived, but did they have to mess with my Murtagh?

[C.K.]

Happy Birthday!

I have a question about Brianna and Roger. (view spoiler)[ Are Roger and Brianna cousins? I know that Roger is really a MacKenzie. Wouldn't Roger be Dougals great (how ever many times) grandson?

I got confused because several episodes ago Jamie wanted to arrange a marriage between Brianna and Ian since she is pregnant. Brianna says that she can't marry her cousin and that where she comes from it's taboo. I was thinking aren't Brianna and Roger cousins?

If Roger is related to Jamie, it doesn't seem like Claire mentioned that to him in the show.

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I really liked getting to see John Grey again in this episode of Outlander. I liked the scenes and new friendship formed between Grey and Brianna.

[Beth_A]

About Brianna and Roger (view spoiler)[yes, Brianna is something like Roger's 6 times great aunt (hide spoiler)]

[Beth_A]

David Berry is superb as John Grey! He brings such authenticity to the character. I get photographic mental images from the book when he is in a scene.

[Beth_A]

and Happy Birthday, Diane!

[C.K.]

Beth_A wrote: "About Brianna and Roger [spoilers removed]"

(view spoiler)[ I thought that Brianna and Roger were cousins? She's his aunt? I thought Jamie was Roger's cousin? I'm more confused. (hide spoiler)]

[C.K.]

Beth_A wrote: "David Berry is superb as John Grey! He brings such authenticity to the character. I get photographic mental images from the book when he is in a scene."

I haven't read the books but I really like John Grey in the show.

[Diane]

Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for the season to be over didn't it just start?

As for Roger and Brianna (view spoiler)[ I don't think either of them know that his ancestor was the offspring of Geillis and Dougal. Remember Claire just found out last season that the baby was given to another family. This made it more touching the Roger saved Mordad McKinsey and her baby on the ship. (hide spoiler)]

[Beth_A]

More info about Roger and Brianna (view spoiler)[Roger and Brianna find out that his ancestor is the offspring of Geillis and Dougal in Book 7, EITB, when Roger's ancestor William Buccleigh MacKenzie travels through time and ends up with them at 20th century Lallybroch (which R & B bought). It is in one of the later books (also EITB?) that Roger mentions that Brianna is his 6 times great aunt.(view spoiler)[ (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[C.K.]

Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for the season to be over didn'..."

(view spoiler)[ I guess that it makes sense that Claire didn't tell Roger bc that would have been a long story. Jamie ended up killing Dougal. Claire could have maybe warned Brianna that she is related to Roger. (hide spoiler)]

[C.K.]

Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

The family tree stuff confuses me bc of the time traveling and so many people are related. I still don't get how Brianna would be Rogers aunt though bc Jamie was Dougals nephew. I thought they were cousins. Oh well, now I know they are related. Thanks for the info.

[C.K.]

Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for the season to be over didn'..."

This has been a good season. (view spoiler)[ I hated that Brianna get raped by that Bonnet guy. I didn't like poor Roger getting beaten near to death. (hide spoiler)]

[Diane]

C.K. wrote: "Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for the season to..."
In reply(view spoiler)[ Claire didn't know about the baby surviving the witch trial until she was in Jamaica with Geillis. Since Bree has been back there has been so much going on for her to even think about mentioning it. Besides even if she knew the baby was a McKinsey it would not have made her think it was an ancestor of Rogers since that is a pretty common name. I think it makes it interesting to us because it explains how Roger can time travel. (hide spoiler)]

[Diane]

C.K. wrote: "Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for the season to..."

That didn't need a spoiler because it has already happened in the show :)

[Teresa]

Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

Oh good to know i started that one so will look for it. Thanks :)

[Beth_A]

C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna "

(view spoiler)[I also thought they would be cousins instead of Brianna being Roger's aunt for the same reason you mentioned. Diana Gabaldon may have slipped up in the relationship string there.(view spoiler)[ (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[C.K.]

Diane wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for ..."
That makes sense. I forgot some stuff from season 3.

[C.K.]

Diane wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Diane wrote: "Thank You all for the Birthday wishes!

I think the saddest part of this episode was when they put up on the screen only 2 episodes left! NO not yet - I am not ready for ..."
That makes sense. I forgot some stuff from season 3.

[C.K.]

Beth_A wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna "

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(view spoiler)[ I could see how it could get confusing bc so many people are related and the time traveling makes it kind of confusing too. Claire was pregnant with Brianna in the past but she was born in modern times. (hide spoiler)]

[Silverblades]

I really loved this latest episode. I feel like the John Grey and Brianna scenes were super close to what I pictured as I read the book. I sort of had forgotten the friendship that develops between them.

[Patsy]

Beth_A wrote: "About Brianna and Roger [spoilers removed]"

So, in our society, she could marry Roger since they're so far removed genetically. Nobody would probably even know they were related by the 1970s.

[Merry]

C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

The family tree stuff confuses me bc of the time traveling and so many people are related. I still don't get how Brianna would ..."There are completed family trees in the Outlandish Companions-I suggest you review them.

[MichaelCollins]

I had forgotten there was a friendship between Lord John and Brianna, then again I have been away from the books for awhile. My first thought was "Wait until she meets Willy .. her stepbrother." lol

[MichaelCollins]

The proposal:

[MichaelCollins]

Roger gets welcomed to the tribe!

[Patsy]

MichaelCollins wrote: "I had forgotten there was a friendship between Lord John and Brianna, then again I have been away from the books for awhile. My first thought was "Wait until she meets Willy .. her stepbrother." lol"

Merry wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

The family tree stuff confuses me bc of the time traveling and so many people are related. I still don't get how B..."

Merry wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

The family tree stuff confuses me bc of the time traveling and so many people are related. I still don't get how B..."

Merry wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Beth_A wrote: "More info about Roger and Brianna [spoilers removed]"

The family tree stuff confuses me bc of the time traveling and so many people are related. I still don't get how B..."

Not stepbrother, half-brother.

[MichaelCollins]

Patsy wrote: "MichaelCollins wrote: "I had forgotten there was a friendship between Lord John and Brianna, then again I have been away from the books for awhile. My first thought was "Wait until she meets Willy ..."

True -- halfbrother

[MichaelCollins]

This is shaping up to be an excellent season.

Can anyone advise as to when Adso makes his appearance? In two seasons I think.

[Diane]

Have you heard that Adso was going to be included? He was not a big part of the plot so I can see him being left out. Rollo was different and a more integral part of the story.

[MichaelCollins]

Thats a good point -- too bad the cat is expendable.

[Ellie]

Jamie finds adso in Fiery Cross (next season) On The way back from the gathering.

[MichaelCollins]

I remember that -- and how he is introduced to Claire. Maybe they can spare a couple of minutes for him -- they did for the white hog.

[Diane]

I binge read through Echo so I have a hard time remembering when certain things happened. I do like Adso but not sure if he warrants the screen time.

[MichaelCollins]

Poor lil Adso

[Silverblades]

Diane wrote: "Have you heard that Adso was going to be included? He was not a big part of the plot so I can see him being left out. Rollo was different and a more integral part of the story."
Adso does not make his appearance until book 5, but I'll bet we get him as a title card next season.

[C.K.]

MichaelCollins wrote: "I had forgotten there was a friendship between Lord John and Brianna, then again I have been away from the books for awhile. My first thought was "Wait until she meets Willy .. her stepbrother." lol"

I hope that Brianna gets to meet Willy.

[MichaelCollins]

She does eventually but as I recollect not until Willy is an officer in the Kings infantry

[Patsy]

(view spoiler)[ Bree never finds out that Willy is her brother even though they meet briefly. Jamie watched them out a window and got emotional. (view spoiler)[ (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[MichaelCollins]

MichaelCollins wrote: "She does eventually but as I recollect not until Willy is an officer in the Kings infantry"

Thats what I recall, just shortly before full fighting in the Revolution breaks out.

[C.K.]

Patsy wrote: "[spoilers removed]"

(view spoiler)[ That's terrible that she never finds out that he is her brother. It would make it hard on Brianna to have to keep that secret from Willy though. Does Willy ever find out that Jamie is his father? (hide spoiler)]

[MichaelCollins]

Yes to Willy's question ... forget about Brianna?

[Patsy]

C.K. wrote: "Patsy wrote: "[spoilers removed]"

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(view spoiler)[ I don't believe so. (view spoiler)[ (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[Diane]

Patsy wrote: "C.K. wrote: "Patsy wrote: "[spoilers removed]"

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You should read all the books if you want answers. The books are sooo good it will be a pleasure!