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Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?
Fascinating topic, which is close to my heart in many ways.I guess some might label me as one of those 'freaks' who not only believes aliens are real, but they also influence some actions. I cannot speak of conspiracy theories, but I can relate to a near death experience, and frequent sleep paralysis episodes followed by retrievable conversations with other beings. Yes, some kind of psychosis might be present. Yes, sleep paralysis could be a sign of a traumatic childhood. Fear, however, could also be a sign of ignorance. The world would be a better place without theories, but we are all stuck with them, unfortunately. All we have is personal experience and logic to see us through.
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That's a fascinating angle, Goran, and sounds more like the paranormal aspect of alien sightings - which is an underreported part of the global phenomenon, I think.
Goran wrote: "Fascinating topic, which is close to my heart in many ways.I guess some might label me as one of those 'freaks' who not only believes aliens are real, but they also influence some actions. I cann..."
Welcome Gordan, your insight is cool and now I'm not the only freak on the thread....
I'm currently reading The Perception Deception by David Icke. He just covered the concept of sleep paralysis and says that shadow people are basically meat copies of aliens who don't have a very high frequency so the only way they manifest is when our minds are slightly more vulnerable as in a deep REM state. I can kind of buy into that. I've always thought it was kind of interesting that children witness such strange things and have always thought that being one with the day-to-day of paying bills, polishing resumes, and planning for retirement has a way of gradually wearing away our capability to see beyond the mundane. I definitely believe we're being visited, but I wonder if they've always been way closer than we think.
Christopher wrote: "Like JFK and 911, what is knowing the truth going to do for you? Help you to sleep better at night. I know that aliens are real, not a shred of doubt about it. If you knew too, all it would do for you is close a little gap in your mind between what you think is real and what is real. You choose to ignore the volume of evidence, millions of sightings, interviews, regressions, eyewitnesses. You choose to be on the fence about it. "Just for the record: One running thread of my whole life is trying to gain some truth regarding mysteries - whether on earth, in 'spirit' or 'non-human beings' etc. So what's the truth gonna do for me? Nope, not make me sleep better at night - anything but in fact! But developing knowledge and wisdom with regard to mysteries has no end of satisfaction for me, as presumably it does for you too.
But whereas, say, when I was aged 20, I might have made a statement like: "I believe in aliens", my own personal journey means that my questions on such topics are always evolving, changing and developing, so making a simple statement like "I believe in aliens" isn't good enough for me any more - especially as I have come to believe that aliens and 'spiritual entities' (or whatever man-made term we want to use) are often one and the same; and I simultaneously believe there are man-made UFOs too.
I definitely do NOT, as you say I do, ignore the mass of evidence regarding aliens. In order to go deeper down the rabbit hole (and there always seems to be a deeper level to get to), it's important that I read as much as I can about reliable witnesses and reports etc., to develop my personal understanding even more.
So I'm not on the fence either, in my view. I'm just open to my beliefs being expanded and I'm not afraid to change my beliefs if some new piece of 'evidence' - either from an outside source or from my own meditations and visions - comes. Otherwise, I might as well join a damn dogmatic religion and get set in my ways for my whole life!
You seemed so adamant about your own belief, that I was interested to hear the specifics of it, so that it could contribute to the wealth of ever-developing knowledge I have. But you seem a little shy... ;)
I'll never stop learning. And I wouldn't want to.
Lance wrote: "Knowing what you know ain't proof, but, yes, we can agree to disagree."Knowing is a great first step to proof though, because it gives us a starting point, and something to build upon.
"The brain is still largely unexplored. In its depth possibly millions of lifeforms remain undiscovered. Unproven theories of parallel parasites and wondrous energy could all be in the mind, one way or another. These restricted zones can be blocked due to adult fears and pure ignorance. Thoughts can also be created due to preconceptions.
"Everyone has a story in the closet, sometimes with unsettling characteristics that mimic that of another person's experience. So why do we tend to label it as ‘just one of those things’, a coincidence? Fears associated with cognitive processing is often the reason." - AOTM
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James wrote: "That's a fascinating angle, Goran, and sounds more like the paranormal aspect of alien sightings - which is an underreported part of the global phenomenon, I think."Thanks. Yes it's certainly underreported. The striking thing about it is that my "alien awareness" only became present after my NDE in 2001, which is when I began serious writing. Prior to that it was more traditional paranormal experiences.
Here we go, but basically prior to 2001 I would talk with people in my "sleep" or "see them" in homes/buildings etc, and only later found out they were actually deceased. There is definitely a different "energy" with an alien presence (very uncomfortable, heavy), but I've come to realise why that might be over the years. Yeah, I know, but it's my truth.
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Christopher wrote: "I'm not the only freak on the thread...Thanks for having me. It's the people who have closed minds that are my greatest concern.
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Harry wrote: "But whereas, say, when I was aged 20, I might have made a statement like: "I believe in aliens", my own personal journey means that my questions on such topics are always evolving, changing and developing, so making a simple statement like "I believe in aliens" isn't good enough for me any more - especially as I have come to believe that aliens and 'spiritual entities' (or whatever man-made term we want to use) are often one and the same; and I simultaneously believe there are man-made UFOs too."You raise good points, Harry, and certainly valid.
During one of my research missions into grey areas of spirituality, I, by accident, had a deep conversation with a Baptist minister. He informed me that he was once a scientist at NASA. He said that ever since childhood, he believed in UFOs and this led to his scientific interests. He turned his back on science after years of frustration because he could not prove aliens exist. He had all the books, videos and magazines, but nothing real presented its self to him personally. That's when he searched for God instead and found Him. Yes, I found this odd too, but that's what went down.
I'm not religious at all (in the traditional sense), but people do change depending on their emotional state.
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Cheers Goran.Interesting stuff! :)
Frank wrote: "I'm currently reading The Perception Deception by David Icke. He just covered the concept of sleep paralysis and says that shadow people are basically meat copies of aliens who don't have a very high frequency so the only way they manifest is when our minds are slightly more vulnerable as in a deep REM state."David Icke? I think some people like the drama. Conspiracy Theories can be our worst enemy too if we're not careful. Shadow people is a new spin on an old phenomena. Another conversation starter, and another way of getting hits on social media.
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Lance wrote: "So it would appear the jury's still out on the question Are aliens visiting Earth or not???? No proof either way to date."I don't believe you can prove they are not because you cannot prove something does not exist - the best you can do is say there is no conclusive evidence to the contrary, so in my opinion, the onus is on the other side to offer physical proof that they are.
Makes sense to me, Ian.
Ian wrote: "Lance wrote: "So it would appear the jury's still out on the question Are aliens visiting Earth or not???? No proof either way to date."I don't believe you can prove they are not because you cann..."
Most would agree with you about that I suspect, Ian.
Goran wrote: "Lance wrote: "Knowing what you know ain't proof, but, yes, we can agree to disagree."Knowing is a great first step to proof though, because it gives us a starting point, and something to build up..."
Good insights Goran. Thanks for your contributions.
"Knowing" may be "a good first step to proof," but that word also has its inherent dangers. Think of the brilliant minds throughout history who 'knew' something was fact only to be proven wrong.
Lance wrote: " Think of the brilliant minds throughout history who 'knew' something was fact only to be proven wrong."So true, Lance. I guess that's where we have to tame our egoic nature and admit we didn't have all the facts at the time, and then add more value to it.
My daughter is caught up in a cult where they demand that the "sheep" only follows "new light" and can never revisit "old light". Some people are in so deep with their "truth" that no amount of wrongs will make them reconsider, or accountable.
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Harry wrote: "Christopher wrote: "Like JFK and 911, what is knowing the truth going to do for you? Help you to sleep better at night. I know that aliens are real, not a shred of doubt about it. If you knew too, ..."Thanks for the insight Harry. If I seem a bit shy (as good a word as any) it's because I never really thought about explaining my beliefs in detail before. The moment I actually had to write one down it felt like I was defending some point that I'm not arguing. Everybody has the right to believe whatever they want, I'd never interfere with that. I do read some things that I can't understand and have already stated that I agree to disagree with anyone whose views don't align with mine (lord knows I'm not your average bear).
Have I seen a UFO, yup. Have I encountered an alien face to face, probably. The memories are still fragmented. Are they real? As real as a heart attack. I've met people that were behind the scenes of a lot of weird stuff, met people that have seen what the government has and is doing with it. Roswell was the real deal, no question. You take someones first-hand experience and your beliefs have a starting point.
I know what's out there, I know we're not alone, I know this life isn't what most people think it is. I was at ground zero bucketing piles of debris with thousands of other volunteers, firemen, police, FBI, National guard and however many spooks were in there. I saw the pieces of plane and building. What's the difference if it was an inside job or not. It's over. the new building has already been built. No one will ever come out and admit that one, never gonna happen. I'm OK knowing what I know about what I saw.
Christopher wrote: "Harry wrote: "Christopher wrote: "Like JFK and 911, what is knowing the truth going to do for you? Help you to sleep better at night. I know that aliens are real, not a shred of doubt about it. If ..."Thanks for the reply and the details Christopher - and you're not alone in your beliefs in this group, that's for sure! :)
Harry wrote: "Christopher wrote: "Harry wrote: "Christopher wrote: "Like JFK and 911, what is knowing the truth going to do for you? Help you to sleep better at night. I know that aliens are real, not a shred of...Thanks Harry....
Christopher wrote: "If I seem a bit shy (as good a word as any) it's because I never really thought about explaining my beliefs in detail before. The moment I actually had to write one down it felt like I was defending some point that I'm not arguing."Gold. Well said. That's how it feels sometimes. There are so many challenging aspects regarding the UFO phenomena that the heart and the head are always having a battle. People's rebutting reactions are often the problem, not the truth of your experience.
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There was a good movie on Netflix called The Fourth Kind It's worth watching.
Christopher wrote: "There was a good movie on Netflix called The Fourth Kind It's worth watching."
Have heard good things about The Fourth Kind.
Thanks.
Wow, look what Hillary was seen reading...This book: Are We Alone? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life
The First Lady could've been an Undergrouder!
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s ET book discovered http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clint...
In the 1990’s Laurance Rockefeller became interested in paranormal phenomena, especially with UFOs and extraterrestrial visitation. He funded scientific investigations and organized and funded a briefing document to record the best evidence (Open Minds journalist, Antonio Huneeus was a key contributor to this document). Rockefeller also conferred with the Clintons regarding the release of files by President Bill Clinton.
Researcher Grant Cameron, who runs the website HillaryClintonUFO.net, was able to retrieve documents through the Freedom of Information Act that showed Rockefeller was soliciting help from Hillary’s staff on drafting a document to President Bill Clinton in 1995. The title of the document was: Lifting Secrecy on Information About Extraterrestrial Intelligence as Part of the Current Classification Review.
In August of 1995 the Clintons made a trip to Rockefeller’s JY Ranch near Jackson’s Hole, Wyoming. Many speculate that UFOs and ETs must have been a subject of conversation during the visit. However, there has never been any proof of this, until now.
In these famous pictures of Hillary and Rockefeller walking on a wooded path during the visit, Hilary is holding a book. For years researchers have been trying to figure out which book she is holding, to find out if it would provide clues as to the nature of their conversation. Finally, Tonio Cousyn (known as elevenaugust at Open Minds Forum) has figured it out. He discovered that the book is Paul Davies’ Are We Alone? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life. The images below show how he discovered this.
Amazon describes the book as: “The authentic discovery of extraterrestrial life would usher in a scientific revolution on par with Copernicus or Darwin, says Paul Davies. Just as these ideas sparked religious and philosophical controversy when they were first offered, so would proof of life arising away from Earth. With this brief book (160 pages, including two appendices and an index), Davies tries to get ahead of the curve and begin to sort out the metaphysical mess before it happens. Many science fiction writers have preceded him, of course, but here the matter is plainly put. This is a very good introduction to a compelling subject.”
Paul Davies is a theoretical physicist, cosmologist, astrobiologist, and award winning bestselling author. He is currently director of the Beyond Center of Fundamental Concepts in Science and co-director of the Cosmology initiative at Arizona State University. He even has an asteroid named after him. He has often written about the SETI project, and the philosophical ideas behind extraterrestrial contact. In November of 2009, he was a speaker at the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences’ Study Week on Astrobiology event.
Although we do not know whether Hillary brought the book or if Rockefeller gave it to her, it does confirm that extraterrestrial life was part of their conversation.
http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clint...
Kinda interesting jewelry on her necklace in the close-up image of Hillary in the above article also...Looks almost occult-like or hermetic-ish (or at least Egyptian perhaps?), as those don't look like regular crucifix symbols to me...
Proof of alien life? Russian cosmonauts find bacteria on the hull of the ISS that's NOT from Earth https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techan...
James wrote: "Proof of alien life? Russian cosmonauts find bacteria on the hull of the ISS that's NOT from Earth https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techan......"Very interesting! We await confirmation of The Andromeda Strain. :)
What do you guys make of these recorded sightings (those filming it claim to have connected to ETs in their minds first...):Steven Greer CE-5 UFO Sighting: Vero Beach FL February, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teeRz...
From Coast to Coast:In the latter half, ufologist Stanton T. Friedman talked about the mysterious "Oumuamua," a cigar-shaped asteroid that passed by Earth last month, and some have speculated may be an alien probe. The pictures depicted of the object are an artist's concept, he pointed out, so we don't know exactly what it looks like. "It's interesting because we haven't picked up something like this before," he commented. Oumuamua is moving at a very high speed, and has an unusual shape that resembles descriptions of UFO motherships in some past cases, he noted.
The object is rotating oddly, part of the time presenting a broad face, then a smaller face. It's characterized as metallic or rocky, about 1,300 ft. long, and was initially discovered in October, Friedman reported. It's not from our solar system, and may be the result of some type of collision. We are listening for any radio signals coming from the object, he added. Friedman also talked about aspects of the Betty and Barney Hill UFO abduction case. In April, he'll be participating in a live debate with skeptic Michael Shermer in Vancouver, BC on the question: Has Earth been visited by extraterrestrials?
The movie FIRE IN THE SKY is one of the more compelling pieces of evidence for the existence of ETs. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106912/It's based on the book Fire in the Sky: The Walton Experience which is based on the true claims of one man (Travis Walton) and the 5 witnesses who corroborate his story of seeing him beamed up into an ET craft.
Here's the latest from Travis Walton who now says he misinterpreted his experience of alien abduction due to fear (and that he now believes the ETs were friendly) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwy-A0O...
Book synopsis:
On 11/5/1975 a group of loggers in the mountains of northeastern Arizona observed a strange, unusually bright light in the sky. One of them, Travis Walton, recklessly left the safety of their truck to take a closer look. Suddenly, as he walked toward the light, Walton was blasted back by a bolt of mysterious energy. His companions fled in fear. When they reported an encounter with a UFO--something they would have considered impossible if they had not witnessed it themselves--the men were suspected of murder. For five days authorities mounted a massive manhunt in search of Walton or his body. Then Walton reappeared, disoriented & initially unable to tell the whole story of his terrifying encounter. In Fire in the Sky Travis Walton relates in his own words the best documented account of alien abduction yet recorded, the story of his harrowing ordeal at the hands of silent captors & his return to a disbelieving world of hostile interrogators, exploitative press & self-styled debunkers. Travis recounts the struggle to get a fair hearing & confronts his detractors with a stinging rebuttal.
another coast to coast summary: Lecturer and researcher of ancient civilizations, David Wilcock, who is well known for his insights on consciousness science and new paradigms of matter and energy joined Jimmy Church (email) in the first half. He looked at what's coming in 2018 and how the Deep State is beginning to reveal the reality of UFOs. Wilcock also contends that Earth is on the front lines of a battle that has been raging between positive and negative ETs for hundreds of thousands of years. He began with a reaction to the recent U.S. Government UFO revelations by stating that he had been "waiting for this my entire life." He believes that the public reaction was not explosive because people have "been lied to for so long" by the powers that be that they don't believe much of anything at this point.Wilcock spoke at length about some of his military contacts, and in particular one named Emery Smith, who claims he worked at a secure laboratory and that in his work there has completed over 3000 autopsies on extraterrestrial cadavers, all different from one another. Smith also told Wilcock about amazing technology he used at the lab, including a "piece of clear material" that reads vast amounts of data from small gold disks. Wilcock also spoke about the recent story of the 'Oumuamua object that transited through the solar system, and related that the cylindrical object was actually the "two billion year-old" wreckage of a spacecraft complete with computers and other technology intact, as well as "three beings inside in some kind of stasis field." He believes that an alien race timed the appearance to coincide with other recent UFO revelations.
David wrote: "another coast to coast summary: Lecturer and researcher of ancient civilizations, David Wilcock, who is well known for his insights on consciousness science and new paradigms of matter and energy j..."Are aliens visiting earth? As per my previous posts, I do not believe in aliens, UFO's, abductions, etc., etc. As for :-Wilcock also spoke about the recent story of the 'Oumuamua object that transited through the solar system, and related that the cylindrical object was actually the "two billion year-old" wreckage of a spacecraft complete with computers and other technology intact, as well as "three beings inside in some kind of stasis field." What utter unadulterated BS! 'Oumuamua' is simply a cigar-shaped interstellar asteroid passing through our solar system. Some freaks have been watching too many movies.
Pete wrote: "As per my previous posts, I do not believe in aliens, UFO's, abductions, etc., etc...."Not a believer in UFOs aka Unidentified Flying Objects?
The Pentagon’s Secret Search for UFOs https://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...
Funded at the request of Harry Reid, the program probed a number of encounters military pilots had with aircraft they believed didn’t operate like anything they had seen before.
The New York Times: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us...
Chilling footage of mysterious aircraft as US reveals secret 10-year UFO program https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/38335610/...
Two US Navy airmen claim they saw a UFO on a routine training mission, which “accelerated like nothing” they had ever seen before.
p.s. None of the above articles prove or disprove aliens, which is potentially a separate topic or else a sub-topic to the greater UFO phenomenon mystery, but UFOs are simply crafts (or flying objects) in our skies which many military/commercial pilots all over the world witness and make reports of, as well as exerpts in the military and intel. agencies study (as per above mainstream media articles). I get it that the human brain hates open-ended mysteries with no resolution (that's natural for all of us), but serious investigators need to be on guard against throwing out the baby with the bathwater with sweeping/categorical statements before all the evidence is in. We simply must let these mysteries unfold, however slow, however painful it is...
James wrote: "Pete wrote: "As per my previous posts, I do not believe in aliens, UFO's, abductions, etc., etc...."Not a believer in UFOs aka Unidentified Flying Objects?..."I agree entirely with your post. What I don't accept is the idea that these Unidentified phenomena become alien E.T. driven intergalactic visitors. Yes, we simply must let these mysteries unfold.
I think using the word object already presupposes too much. Unidentified aerial phenomena seems like a more neutral term to me.
Jim wrote: "I think using the word object already presupposes too much. Unidentified aerial phenomena seems like a more neutral term to me."Fair point.
I guess the average person isn't aware of classified man-made technologies and so probably does associate UFOs with the idea of ETs.
I think this official US Air Force Aircraft Identification Chart will help us for future analysis https://www.goodreads.com/photo/group...
Pete wrote: "I agree entirely with your post. What I don't accept is the idea that these Unidentified phenomena become alien E.T. driven intergalactic visitors. Yes, we simply must let these mysteries unfold. ..."I'm on your wavelength, Pete.
I also meant that the really weird ones may not be objects in any conventional sense. My take is that some majority of "UFOs" are misidentifications, whether that's a military aircraft, a weather phenomenon, or even a terrestrial craft from a breakaway civilization (if those exist). What's left are the unexplainable. I have ideas about those. They are alien, in a sense. I just don't think they traveled from the Pleiades or wherever. Putting it into words is tricky but the basic idea is they are manifestations from the world soul (or substitute your preferred terminology, world of forms, aeons, sephira, astral plane, etc.).
Aye, you're talking interdimensionals instead of extraterrestrials, I think. Along the lines of what Jacques Vallee and John Keel have written about?
The Valentinians saw the divine (alien) as representingthe unknowable fullness, or pleroma, of the
deep universe. The Nag Hammadi text known as the
Tripartite Tractate details a Valentinian hierarchy of
divine and mortal beings that is distinctly different
from both traditional Gnostic and orthodox Christian
constructions of the universe. Beneath the divine
fullness are limitless divine aeons.
Interestingly, this process of enlightenment seems
to assume that the material world can assist in the
journey to fullness. It is part of the greater pleroma that is the true realm of the alien divine invisible spirit.
I agree with what you imply, Tony. And that's fascinating what the Tripartite Tractate of the Nag Hammadi says on the matter.There are so many possibilities as to what aliens or non-human beings can be, including not only the paranormal or the interdimensional aspect, but also even that aliens are humans from the future who have time traveled back into their past/our present!
Some of this ties in with another discussion thread we have active in the group:
Who or what are aliens? Are ETs real, fictional, somewhere in between, or "all of the above"? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And I'll post here something I included in that thread above a while ago:
I feel very sure we are dealing with more than one phenomenon here.
I understand many people want to reduce the ET debate to just one phenomenon (e.g. "they are just imaginary" or "they're all real physical beings" or "it's just paranormal apparitions") and that would certainly be easier for us as our minds hate the confusion and just want a simple single answer...
Interrelated to what are aliens is also what are UFO crafts.
In my opinion UFO's are also probably a multi-tiered phenomenon and is a case of ALL or MOST of the below in Brad Steiger's list.
However, I just hope it's not number 16 and humans are merely "property" of the ETs!!!!!!
Brad Steiger's 17 Theories Of The UFO Enigma -- http://www.rense.com/general67/ENIG.HTM
Sometime in the late 1960s or early '70s, Tim Beckley asked me to present my favorite theory of UFOs for one of his publications. I told my friend Tim that it was impossible for me to select one above many others, so I submitted 17 possible solutions to the UFO enigma:
1. They come from an extraterrestrial civilization: While it seems likely that the visitors have had Earth under surveillance for centuries, they most often choose to conduct their activities in secret, perhaps even misleading humankind and deliberately misleading us for some undetermined reason, such as one of the following:
* They are a benign species that follow a policy of noninterference in our planet's evolutionary development.
* They are largely indifferent to us as a species and dispassionately observe and study our planet's evolutionary struggles.
* They are in the final stages of conducting important tests that will determine whether they will destroy us, exploit us ruthlessly, or totally enslave us. It is this category of visitors who conduct human abductions and who have made secret deals with certain levels of Earth's governments - agreements that they may break with extreme prejudice.
2. Military Secret Hypothesis: The entire concept of alien spaceships, "invaders from Outer Space," was created by military intelligence to mask highly classified research being conducted at such bases as Area 51.
* Or -- The "aliens" are actually our own military scientists conducting secret maneuvers with highly classified aerial vehicles based on captured Nazi technology brought to the United States immediately after World War II in Project Paperclip.
* Or -- The crews of UFOs are terrestrial astronauts conducting secret military maneuvers with classified aerial vehicles based on alien technology reversed engineered from alien technology recovered in extraterrestrial vehicle crash sites, such as that near Roswell, NM in 1947.
3. The UFOs are products of a terrestrial secret society: Centuries ago, a secret society of alchemists developed an advanced technology, which they kept hidden in underground or undersea cities. This ancient society has been subtly guiding Earth's "elite" throughout history, and when it deemed the proper times, it provided certain "outsiders" with scientific breakthroughs. This mighty secret society only awaits the appropriate moment to conquer the outside world and enslave it.
4. They come from the Hollow Earth: Ancient secret societies, traditions, and folklore speak of an underground empire inside our planet. This underground world is the home of the Master Race, both feared and sought after by occult societies throughout world history. This shadow race has been responsible for the appearance of mysterious aerial vehicles and many of miseries that have plagued humankind.
5. A program of deceit and lies: A secret agency within the established government, allied with its counterparts in foreign nations, has created the UFO myth for its own nefarious purpose in bringing about a New World Order. Abductions, impregnations, and mysterious disappearances are all the sinister handiwork of those working for a One World Government - a goal which may have been assisted since ancient times by extraterrestrial intelligence.
6. Unknown terrestrial life-forms: Great numbers of UFO sightings may be explained by the existence of previously unknown, unidentified life-forms largely indigenous to the higher reaches of Earth,s atmosphere. The "sky-critters," the "sky fish," may be plasmic, electrical, nearly pure energy forms that have the ability to assume a variety of forms.
7. Astronauts from Atlantis: The UFOnauts are the descendents of an ancient civilization on Earth that developed space travel and set about colonizing other worlds at the time when their own terrestrial empire was being destroyed by cataclysmic forces wrought by their own superscience. From time to time, the contemporary Atlanteans return to visit their home planet.
8. Time Travelers from the Future: Our descendents from the future return to study the true destiny of humankind by using the past - our present - as a kind of living museum. They cannot openly declare themselves for fear of up-setting the linear flow of history and thus altering the future - their present.
9. Other Dimensional Visitors: The Visitors come not from a faraway world in our solar system or any other, but from an adjacent space-time continuum, co-existing here on Earth, but on another vibrational/dimensional frequency or level.
10. Psychic Phenomena: The UFO phenomenon is the result of some as yet unknown physical energy that can be activated by the psyche, the unconscious level of the human mind. This physical law or energy would not itself be intelligent, but it would be able to absorb, reflect, or imitate human intelligence.
11. Projections of human beliefs: The UFO enigma is a phenomenon of the collective human psyche that charges to reflect the prevailing belief structures of the time. The UFO constitutes a paraphysical phenomenon that is related both to the psychological state of the observer and the zeitgeist which enmeshes the observer.
12. Psychic need: Certain of humankind's basic psychic needs tap into psychokinetic and other paranormal energies and create images of wee people, holy figures, and other worldly beings. The familiar forms that these manifestations assume have been intrinsic elements in the human psyche since very ancient times, but they appear modern in that human experiences perceive them in the context of ideas that the conscious mind has acquired through acculturation.
13. Archetypes: UFOs and their occupants are quasi-real images created by the human collective unconscious. Jungian archetypes surface as the result of thought-field energies that are accessible to humans through dreams, meditations, and other states of altered consciousness. These archetypes may, in certain instances, be directed by highly evolved entities who seek to influence and guide human affairs.
14. The Magic Theater: Such paranormal machinations that we associate with UFO phenomena are the result of the "magical" manipulations of time and space that are performed by the entities we have dubbed "elves, fairies, devas," and so forth. These entities are paraphysical beings that have coexisted with us as a companion species and appear to participate somehow with us in an evolutionary design.
15. The Supernatural: The UFO intelligences are the same entities who are described in the scriptures of so many world religions as angels - both the messengers of God and the fallen armies of Lucifer. The entire UFO mystery may be the continuation of the struggle between the two warring factions of angels for the souls of humankind.
16. We are property: The UFO intelligences maintain an interest in our planet because they are literally the lords of the Earth, the creators of the human species.
17. The Reality Game: The UFO intelligences are playing a teaching game with humankind in which our concept of reality is being gradually changed. In the teasing fashion of a Zen riddle or a Sufi joke, we are being provoked and guided into a higher consciousness.
I think 10-17 are all saying the same thing from slightly different points of view and I basically agree.I'm not fond of the term inter-dimensional. I tend to think parallel universe when I hear that. I'm definitely more in the world soul, pleroma, collective unconscious area.
From MUFONHEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE UFO PROGRAM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 2018 UFO CONGRESS!
Luis Elizondo, the head of the DoD's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program says he was inspired in part by the courage of UFO researchers to come out about his involvement with government program.
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Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East. Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US Government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management Staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luis’ academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.
Lecture: Insights from investigating unidentified threats for the U.S. Department of Defense (recorded). Luis was originally going to join us at the conference, but that will not be possible due to a personal issue. However, Luis still wants to answer questions and speak to the audience of the International UFO Congress. He says: “The UFO community have been ridiculed and marginalized and yet, somehow, doggedly persisted in their pursuit of the truth, despite the naysayers and cynics.” He continued: “It is a fact that part of my inspiration for coming forward after these many years was due to the multitudes of brave men and women who continued to ask the hard questions despite the common consensus of the system.”
Although he can not physically make it to the conference, we will show an interview with Luis recorded exclusively for the International UFO Congress. We will also review the timeline of how Luis’ work with the DoD came to light and made it into headlines around the world. You have time to send in questions you would like Luis to be asked. Send them to alejandro@ufocongress.com.
Read more about this lecture at UFOCongress.com here: Luis Elizondo
In some of the most important UFO news to be released in years, the New York Times and Politico have posted stories on a secret UFO program ran by the Department of Defense, who worked with Bigelow Aerospace. The program was initiated by Harry Reid who was convinced to undergo the project by Robert Bigelow, and partially influenced by a pro-UFO comment made to him by astronaut John Glenn. Reid told the New York Times he is in no way embarassed by funding this important project. The public first heard of the project during the press conference announcing the To The Stars Academy (TTSA), created by Tom DeLonge. Luis Elizondo, who ran the UFO department, retired in October to join TTSA and revealed the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, the progam to look into UFO reports.
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Read the New York Times story here: Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
Read the Politico story here: The Pentagon’s Secret Search for UFOs
See and read more about the UFO videos at the To The Stars Academy website here: THE FIRST OFFICIAL UAP FOOTAGE EVER RELEASED BY THE USG
See the To The Stars Press Conference and read a transcript at OpenMinds.tv here: Watch Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy UFO Press Conference Here
Read about Tom DeLonge's connection to the story here: Tom DeLonge strikes UFO gold
Interesting Dave. Saw Tom DeLonge interviewed a few months back and didn't find him all that convincing to be honest...But now it seems he and his organization are being mentioned by a lot of third parties including fairly high level ones. So might have to look into DeLonge again...Unless he's disinfo which is also very common in Ufology...The mystery continues!
agree-verify everything. The new X-Files so far have been outstanding.
David wrote: "agree-verify everything. The new X-Files so far have been outstanding."Thanks, will check out the new series.
Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program?!Like, whoa!
DIA: More Time Needed for UFO-Pentagon FOIA Requests http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/2018/...
The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) provided an interim response for an FOIA request seeking clarification about the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The DIA indicated more time is needed to process the request. A letter dated Jan. 10, 2018, and composed by FOIA and Declassification Services Office Chief Alesia Y. Williams, stated in part:
"This is an interim response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated December 23, 2017, requesting copies of all contracts pertaining to the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, (AATIP) this includes contracts undertaken and funding provided to Bigelow Aerospace..."
"We will be unable to respond to your request within the FOIA's 20 day statutory time period due to unusual circumstances. These unusual circumstances could be: (a) the need to search for and collect records from a facility geographically separated from this office; (b) the potential volume of records responsive to your request; and (c) the need for consultation with one or more other agencies which have substantial interest in either the determination or the subject matter of the records. For these reasons, your request has been placed in our queue and will be worked in the order the request was received. Our current administrative workload is in excess of 1,139 requests."
See full article here: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/2018/...
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I think the whole matter is one grand deception. The truth was staring us in the face when the two men who uncovered the Blue Beam project died suddenly. We are being fed a line that has been planned for ages. Even Henry Kissinger alluded to it years ago, that the best way to control the world would be through an alien invasion whether real or fabricated. They have all the technology. The elitists are spinning their wheels right now, and alien invasion may well be their ace in the hole. Will there be an invasion? Sure, The Bible says the bottomless pit will be opened and minions of demons will come forth. Your friendly or not so friendly aliens depending on which side of the fence you are on. I know that throws a whammy in all the fantastic philosophical jargon but read Blue Beam and wonder just how much deception is flooding us from every direction.
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