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message 201: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments As long as we're complaining about the app (I'm starting to wonder why I'm still even using it!), it also doesn't sync anymore between the app and the website. It did that before (if I read a thread with new posts in the app, neither the app nor the website would show the red number indicating new posts anymore), but now if I read something in the app, the website still makes it seem like I didn't read it yet.


message 202: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments Peggy, my phone always updates the apps automatically. So it’s the newest version and it still doesn’t work right 🤷🏻‍♀️


message 203: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments I have iOS and no updates available, so I'm current. It's very possible that it is the different app for different types of phones causing the differences in issues.


message 204: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments I am also having problems with the app and it's the newest version. I'm finding it takes ages to login and sometimes I'm getting booted out. I don't tend to use it much anyway so I think I will just delete it from my phone.


message 205: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments Peggy wrote: "As long as we're complaining about the app (I'm starting to wonder why I'm still even using it!), it also doesn't sync anymore between the app and the website. It did that before (if I read a threa..."

Oh, yeah. I have noticed this too.


message 206: by Sandra, Moderator (last edited Jan 16, 2019 01:29PM) (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments Kristie wrote: "I have iOS and no updates available, so I'm current. It's very possible that it is the different app for different types of phones causing the differences in issues."

I have Android. Maybe that is the thing.

At home I used the website most of the time because I had a comfy place to put my computer which was open most of the day, so I would just check my notifications there. Now in the house we are renting in France I don't have that luxury so my computer is closed most of the day. I then use more my phone for everything, not only GR.


message 207: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments Android here too.


message 208: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments Interesting. I think you may have figured out the difference, Sandra.


message 209: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments Well, I think we can just hope the update for iOS is on its way.
Still the app has so so so many bugs...


message 210: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments But it's not all androids. The issue with the comment box was unknown, and of all android users had it, GR would have been aware of it much sooner.


message 211: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments That is something that surprised me when I spoke with the GR people. They had no idea. It is obviously a bug, not something that happens only in my phone, and I had been experiencing it for a week before contacting them. I don't understand how they didn't know already.

What I meant about the iOS update was punctually about reading spoilers. If we are right then maybe the android version was updated but the iOS one still has to be updated to read spoilers. Don't know.


message 212: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments My comment wasn't a reply to yours Sandra, I think our posts crossed. It's clear you meant the spoilers.

I was just thinking that android vs ios probably has something to do with all issues people are experiencing, but can't explain everything.


message 213: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments Ok. Make sense. :)


message 214: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments I have iOS, so that would totally make sense. My comment box works but the spoilers don’t.


message 215: by Renee (new)

Renee (elenarenee) | 1650 comments Ok I confess to being behind the times. There is a Good Reads Ap?


message 216: by Sandra, Moderator (last edited Jan 17, 2019 09:13AM) (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments lol, Renee. There is indeed. It would be fantastic if it worked well, but as you can see it has many problems.


message 217: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments I still use it all the time though.


message 218: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments I actually only use my laptop if I have to link or edit something.


message 219: by Cherie (last edited Jan 17, 2019 11:58AM) (new)

Cherie (crobins0) | 21536 comments The Apple mobile app does not have a feature to read spoilers, but in the Android mobile app, the spoilers are always open/readable. this was as of the latest update in November, I think.

The Apple mobile app does not allow replys (it is not active and never has been). The Android mobile app does not have a reply either. I only use the Android app to update my reading status, if my iPod is not available. I really do not like it at all.

I receive notices in both the online version and in the Apple mobile app and can read everyone's posts in all of the threads.

Neither of the mobile version apps allow book links. The feature is not shown. I can only link or edit comments or make replys in the online version.


message 220: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments I think I'm going to have to give in and find a foot Dr. I've tried so many insoles nothing helps. I think I have a heel spur and it sucks. Once I get moving it's ok but as soon as I stop once I start moving I have to go through all the pain again. After 4 months of this I think I have had enough lol


message 221: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Finally went and watched the new gillete commercial the best a man can be? I can't remember the new tag line. I don't understand the people protesting and offended by it. They must have guilty consciences or are womanizers because we should always strive to be better and the world is changing and the world is cracking down on bullying, treatment of women and etc. No men are not the best they can get. You should never be at your best because the only way is down from there. Yes at some point in life you'll be at your best but even then you should strive to be better. We can always be better human beings.


message 222: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments Oh and I have another annoying thing about the app:
In (almost) every post from others I can’t read the second last line because there are missing things words 😡


message 223: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19204 comments 4 months sounds like a good run to see if it will go away, Travis. Sounds painful, I'd go see a doctor. How's it going up there this winter? I realised we hadn't had a snow report yet.

And I agree about the Gillette ad, mountain out of a mole hill. I don't understand getting worked up about an ad that encourages you to be a good human.


message 224: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18549 comments I'm with Rusalka - go get your foot checked out.

I've not seen the advert so cannot comment but what you and Rusalka both say about it has me agreeing with you guys.


message 225: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments I don't know the commercial either, but hasn't Gilette had that tagline for ages? What exactly is the fuss about?


message 226: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments I thought that too, Peggy. At least here in Germany it’s been this slogan for years.


message 227: by Sandra, Moderator (new)


message 228: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments I've seen the advert and agree that people are overacting. Mind you, there are people out there whose sole purpose in life appears to be getting offended about anything and everything so I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. As for the slogan, it has been the same one for years here in the UK. It's the only tagline I associate with the Gillette brand.


message 229: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments Oh wait, the slogan I know is 'the best a man can get', not 'be'

Thanks Sandra! I can only applaud this. I think it's great that Gilette has a commercial like this. Hopefully they will also actually act upon it and not just do it for show. I agree Travis, I think the people offended by it may be people who actually act like this or condone it.


message 230: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments Thank you Sandra, the commercial is really good!


message 231: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19204 comments Exactly.

The criticism is that it's shaming little boys to feel bad about being boys and telling them they are inferior to women, it's emasculating men, and it's ignoring the fact that "boys will be boys".

Le sigh.

I think I must have watched the wrong ad.


message 232: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Thats the funny part is no one thought anything of the old Gillette tagline yet they try to change it and promote people to become better people and the world goes crazy. boys will be boys thats true but we can no longer use that as a running excuse. There's things going on where we have to stop and say boys will be boys but this behavior is no longer accepted in todays society.


message 233: by Rusalka, Moderator (last edited Jan 18, 2019 03:15AM) (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19204 comments A capitalist corporate entity's byline is sacrosanct to the people.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!


message 234: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Basically people think Gillette is trying to cut off men's balls when what I think they're trying to do is say boys will be boys that's fine. But there's a line and when it's crossed this is not boys being boys this behavior is unacceptable at this point. And they're also basically saying boys need to be men and if you see someone doing something wrong you've got to stand up to that person which isn't making you not a boy that action in fact makes you a man. They aren't trying to demasculinize men but show there is a right and wrong and it's time to start respecting each other and stopping some of the things we've let slide in the past..

Like anything when you want to make a point you're going to go to the extreme side of things. I'm sure there are parts of the Gillette commercial that is boys being boys but a lot of it is boys behaving inappropriate. Basically parents need to start raising their kids and teaching morals.

That's my take. I didn't feel my manliness was at stake by that commercial at all and people are blowing this thing out of proportion.

This is just like the all lives matter being a protest of the black lives matter. BLM isn't saying they're the only ones that matter and by creating all lives matter it's a protest of a protest and essentially is people instead of listening to the BLM and saying how can society do better they protest and ignore what's being said.

Biggest problem is the other side of anything not listening to the side who's bringing an issue to light instead they ignore it and protest the movement which makes no communication and nothing gets changed or made better.as a people we have to do better.
Maybe instead of all these men getting butt hurt over the commercial they should say yeah there are Some men acting inappropriate and this has to be addressed. Instead they argue like in this case Gillette is attacking all men. No they aren't.


message 235: by Rusalka, Moderator (last edited Jan 18, 2019 04:55AM) (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19204 comments Exactly. Exactly this.

As someone who grew up with a neighbourhood of boys, and many brothers, I have never liked the boys will be boys thing. Kids are kids is my own thinking. However, where all of that falls down is when kids are jerks. Picking on the weakest, teasing, bullying, full on fighting, it didn't matter if it was me or the boys, we all got firmly told that was the line and we had crossed. Kids are naturally a little feral, but don't be a dick. And people carry those lessons of interpersonal relationships into adulthood.

They (Gillette) are raising the discussion about what it is to be a good person. And hoping that more people (probably women) will buy their products in the meantime.


message 236: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments My wife uses my Gillette razor and uses my deodorant because she says it holds up better than female types. So we're pretty unisex in my house I guess anyway


message 237: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19204 comments I steal Lexx's deodorant frequently too. He uses clippers to maintain his designer stubble look, so no chance to steal razors in this house.

Also, I'm not sure about in other countries, but in Australia there is a female tax on toiletries. Usually you will find things like shampoo, deodorant, razors, soap, etc. that if it is marketed to women, the price is 15% higher than if it is marketed to men. And when you look at the ingredients, they are identical (or with things like razors, there is none!). I frequently buy things in the "mens" section for this reason.


message 238: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (fiiicoooo) | 270 comments One of my best friends lived in Australia for 2 years and she always sent pictures of things like makeup remover wipes which were around 14 Australian dollars and here it’s like 1 or 2€. That was quite shocking.


message 239: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 59887 comments I think the people who are offended by this ad are likely to be the biggest offenders.

Women have been targeted by ads over the years to be better. It's kind of amusing to see the tables turned and see the reaction when men are on the receiving end of it.

Now Gillette and other companies can start to have the discussion about why they charge women more money for the same product.


message 240: by Renee (new)

Renee (elenarenee) | 1650 comments I think the ad is making the same point as one of our group reads.The Hate U Give

It is pointing out that people learn from what the see. It is trying to encourage people to not just look away when people behave inappropriately.

Saying boys will be boys is saying it is okay to behave in that manner. If you don't let someone know their behavior is hurtful they will continue to behave that way.

We need to teach children. We need to stop giving them a pass because that's how it always has been. Yes boys will be boys but they can learn.


message 241: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments I agree, Janice, that the people that are offended by this ad are probably the biggest offenders or at least have the mindset. If the expectation is that you are to be a good, upstanding man and a commercial tells you to do just that, it shouldn't be offensive. If you simply want a free pass to do whatever you want and be a jerk, then the commercial is offensive. Honestly, it basically just says stand up to bullies and set a good example. Those behaviors shouldn't take away anyone's masculinity.

Also, regarding male/female products. I honestly believe that at least half the time we could do away with the male/female versions. Often the only difference is that one is pink and the other blue. It's ridiculous to pay more for a stereotypically gendered color.


message 242: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments I know someone with 2 sons who always says boys will be boys. Which apparently justifies why her 2 bastard children can be hellions and get in no trouble.

For real the ad isn't even targeting men as much as parents to teach their kids. And to teach kids they need both a father and a mother figure regardless if they live together or if one is deceased. Maybe could say they need a male and female mentor. And the male mentor needs to teach them to be respectful men and the difference between right and wrong.


message 243: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Then the guys saying this has nothing to do with shaving Gillette should mind their business I'm gonna boycott .

Someone has to stand up and be the sacrificial lamb. The first one to take a stand always becomes the whipping boy. Ask Colin Kaepernick


message 244: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments Travis wrote: "I know someone with 2 sons who always says boys will be boys. Which apparently justifies why her 2 bastard children can be hellions and get in no trouble."

I can't stand the phrase, "boys will be boys." It really is just an excuse to not parent your children. It also gives the impression that boys aren't capable of behaving properly, as if they can't be kind, caring, thoughtful, etc little kids. It is not ok for your kid to be a jerk whether they are boys or girls.


message 245: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11260 comments I think that is the point with the "boys will be boys" saying, Kristie. That saying is actually stigmatising boys more than the commercial. That saying implied boys/men are beasts incapable of good behavior.


message 246: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19137 comments Exactly, Sandra!


message 247: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Wife says she threw out 10-20 t-shirts if mine that were holy and said I still have too many. Told her she was crazy. She then counted and I have 89 t-shirts. Ok so I'm well prepared for a disaster. I mean I can wear a clean shirt everyday for 3 months without washing any


message 248: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11628 comments I am glad i am not the only one who uses mans bathroom products! The women tax is alive and well here too and i don't know why more women haven't cottoned on!

As for the new Gillett add I would imagine that most imagine that most of the controversy has been fuelled by the advertising agency to get people to notice the slogan change.


message 249: by Jenn (new)

Jenn | 3029 comments OMG, Travis I thought I was the only one, although somehow it’s a less attractive quality in a female 😕


message 250: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments I'm with your wife on this one Travis. Rob has about 20 pairs of jeans in his closet, of which he wears only 2. I think he has jeans in there he wore when he was a student. He's 38 now.

I won't throw anything out but I do often wish he would take an hour to organize ;-)


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