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The Trinity
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Jude 1:1 - the Father IS this One God
John 20:28 - the Son IS this One God
Acts 5:3-4 - the Holy Spirit IS this One God
Trinity is a word from man about the mystery of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Theological words and terms are not the Word of God, but words of men and women. Quadnity will be when the Church is added, as Jesus stated, "Father that they may be One as We are One."
The church being ONE does not make it divine. Just focused and in full agreement.
2 Robert Deu 6:4 is speaking to the dispensation before Jesus was born, and that is true there is only one God, then and now. The Trinity is quadruple with God as the creater of the other three. The Spirit in Genesis is one. The Word was with God from the beginning, and when the time was right, God had the Spirit in Genesis impregnate Mary to bring Jesus on the earth which was two. The Holy Ghost by any forseeable conclusion could not be a part of God physically, it is a separate other Spirit to be given to those individuals that have been born again. It is known as a HIM or HE in several verses. That is why you can call Jesus and God any profanity you want to, but the Holy Ghost is a part of the salvation plan, a person better be carful with that, it is the only way to salvation or redemption. Jesus received it in the mouth as I did in St Matthew 3:16. The Holy Ghost is number three. Verses that you can read to verify what I have just wrote. St John 14:16-17-26 St Matthew 12:31-32 St John 16:7 I see you don't have a King James Bible of 1611, all you have is Harry Potter or Joice, Jake, Joel Osteen, John Gray, or some other obnoxious individual. You might find a Bible in a garage sale.
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My response: God does NOT CHANGE; therefore, the church will NEVER BECOME GOD!
Malachi 3:6 - Hebrews 13:8
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My response: Anything you say is ignored.
Mickey believes that he is Elijah… even though Jesus clearly told us that John the Baptist was Elijah.
You have ZERO spiritual discernment or truth.
Robert’s logic is flawed. God does not have to change for the church to become divine. The church changes. Too many Scriptures state this. I thought this was a non-issue. For the church to have some type of change without becoming divine is more in line with Jehovah Witness doctrine. They do not believe Jesus is divine. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. I John 3:2
Back to the trinity. This word is flawed. Trinity means “3 in 1”. When you identify Jesus as the 2nd Person and Holy Spirit as the 3rd Person, you have violated Scripture. Any number other than One for God is flawed. The traditions of men remain.
I do not expect agreement here. Too many popes in Goodreads that believe they are infallible in doctrine. I do not consider myself infallible, but I do not see reasons to adjust on this matter.
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My response: Thanks for your OPINION.
I am NOT GOD NOW!
In order for me to become God... GOD WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE!
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I have an idea... look up the definition of what "we shall be like him" 1 John 3:2, and learn what it really means.
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1 John 3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE him; for we shall see him as he is.
LIKE = Strong's G3664 = "ὅμοιος hómoios… similar (in appearance or character)"
SIMILAR in character does NOT MEAN YOU ARE THE SAME as GOD!
my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of Me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
Robert wrote: "LIKE = Strong's G3664 = "ὅμοιος hómoios… similar (in appearance or character)""
What does similar or like mean? What will the church be like? You leave a huge gap in your response. I presume you imply that the church will be similar to God but not divine? Confusing.
Rod wrote: "Confusing? No. It's all about Jesus."Then the church will be all Jesus. That is what I was stating. Thanks for agreeing.
According to 1 John 3:2, "and it does not yet appear what we shall be" so we cannot state we will be divine, or not divine, or just focused and in full agreement. Paul agrees with the apostle John stating that "we know in part, but then we shall know as we are know by beholding Jesus." Yet Goodreads is full of Popes in doctrine. Disappointing.
Question: Why can you blasphemy Jesus and God, but not the Holy Ghost if they are all one and the same? (St Matthew 12:31-32) I explained that in #5 The Elijah of the OT has nothing to do with the Elijah of The N T. But in truth Elijah's name for the N T might be Elias as stated in some Bibles. The two witnesses in Revelation has nothing to do with the coming of Elijah as stated in Malachi 4:5.
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My response: SIMPLE I will take a color photo of a $100 bill, and I will make sure it is double sided and precisely the same size.
The original $100 and the photo are very SIMILAR …
...but try and spend the photo and see what happens to you.
SIMILAR DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME!
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John is a POPE in doctrine. The Bible does NOT say what he wants it to say... so he just mandates everyone to believe his OPINIONS.
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Malachi 4:5 - "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:"
Matthew 11:13-14
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,
14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.
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Jesus CLEARLY identifies that John the Baptist IS ELIJAH who was prophesied to come!
Mickey FALSELY expects us to believe the LIE that he (Mickey) is Elijah!
For me... I AGREE with JESUS!
Rob, Robert, and Mickey fit. I do not fit here.
The Question you'all never answered because the entire so-called Christian churches are wrong about the Trinity, KJB of 1611 being infallible, baptism in water, purgatory, confessional, and 72 virgins. The preachers are just running off at the mouth, and when Jesus comes back is He going to quote Paul? The other question, Paul said his rant is the gospel. The King James Bible of 1611 is screwed up, but it is the only thing we have. No, God could not control what went in His Bible. It grieved God in His heart that He made man on the earth. (Genesis 6:6)
I'll leave Mickey's rant here in case anyone is bored.
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My response: LOL! Very sad... but sadly funny.
Sad, indeed. Souls are falling into perdition like so many snowflakes in a tundra. Christ paved the path. It's not calculus. It's simple arithmetic. This is why the last shall be first and the first shall be last.
21 Robert LOL; Jesus never LOL me Wept, because he read the last chapter. Paul's rant, now that is something to laugh at. On Christian Radio they never will get the wife straightened out, but it is a good subversive, to destroy something established as the Gospel.
It reads few will find the way. LOL
"But woe unto you, scribs and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: (Mickey) for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer (allow) ye them that are entering to go in. You couldn't give me enough money to walk in your showes. LOL
22 Adam that is true, I was saved after I left a protestan church and went to a gas station in Long Beach, California 12/1/1968 at 9pm. There is no church at this time, so I don't attend any, but I know I'm redeemed. Joel 1:13 The truth would boggle your mind, which church congregation's is going to spend eturnity with God in His kingdom?
They sing Jesus, but salvation is physical.
They say believe but salvation is physical
They give you the sinners prayer but salvation is physical.
They give you water baptism but salvation is physical.
They give you crackers and juice but salvation is physical.
They give you the last rights to make you feel good.
They asked for money, to spread their false doctrine.
They speak in tongues for the devils worship.
They preach prophesy that has nothing to do with salvation.
They preach the end time. Who cares?
They preach LOVE, that is where the money is.
They preach a prosperity gospel for their prosperity.
They preach i've been ripping you off for sixty years debt free.
They preach money for the Jews, like it is going to do any good.
They preach how to be happy, and joyful to be saved. Remember Jesus Wept he read the last chapter.
Then we hear about grace, faith, do the poor, hope, believe, when salvation is PHYSICAAAAAAL. Ezekiel 36:26-27
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My response: Jesus is STILL WEEPING over you. Because you have REJECTED HIM and have elevated yourself to be something that you are not.
Jesus weeps for you because you REFUSE HIS SALVATION!
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Jesus said quote: John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life .
Take note: Jesus did NOT speak of ANY physical surgery!
25 St John 3:16 (some miss informed person as there are billions living today, thought they would help God out and added 16 a play on 15, which is a parable or allegorically written. It should not be in the KJB of 1611) "For God so loved the world" (does He) It grieved God in His heart that He made man on the earth. Genesis 6:6
"That he gave his only begotten Son." (that might be the only truth in the verse, but 99.99% of the preachers will tell you it was God that died on the cross. God gave mankind His Son for righteousness sake, and love has nothing to do with that.)
"Whosoever believeth in him should not perish." (If God wrote the verse He would have used the word shall, In all the rest of the Gospels shall means it will know doubt happen, but should is iffy or it might not happen as planned.) "For the elect's sake (saved) those days shall be shortened."
"But have everlasting life:" (God had in the 15th verse the word
eternal life used, In the dictionary that is more Biblical)
The should in the 15th verse is an allegory that means, depending on other circumstances, such as if a person becomes born again as in Ezekiel 36:26-27.
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My response: I simply QUOTE the Word of God... and BELIEVE it...
...Mickey is forced to write MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS of his OPINIONS to contort what the Bible actually says.
I believe exactly what is below this line... Mickey DOES NOT!
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Jesus said quote: John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life .
28 You and billions like you take the Bible literally, what if your wrong? Then billions are redeemed, but the KJB of 1611 says few will find the way. St Matthew 7:14That is what my job is as Elijah is to try and show people where they are wrong about their belief, did John the Baptist do that.
(This is in the Bible) Why speakest thou unto them in parables? Because it is given unto (Mickey) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to Robert it is not given. St Matthew 13:10=11
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But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings abou..."
My response: that is YOU!
Deu 6:4
Jude 1:1
John 20:28
Acts 5:3-4
BLESSED TRINITY!
I deleted your comment Mickey. Watch your language.
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My response: NOT man-made!
Deu 6:4 - ONE God
Jude 1:1 - Father IS this one God
John 20:28 - Jesus IS this one God
Acts 5:3-4 - The Holy Spirit IS this one God
I do enjoy and embrace the Biblical Trinity. We'd have a boring lonely God without it.
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Isaiah 46:9 - Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
The true God of the Bible is unique! He stands alone!
Polytheistic gods - there are many (ex. Hindu, New Age, etc.)
Monotheistic gods - there are many (ex. Islam, Judaism, etc.)
Trinitarian God - there is ONLY ONE!
- - no other religion has a trinitarian god.
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My response: False doctrines are man made. As for true doctrines, I believe this...
2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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My response: The Trinity is definitely a mystery... but it is a mystery that is clearly taught in Scripture.
The doctrine is in the Bible... the word is not.
I was worried that you were maybe against the Trinity Jonathan. It appears you are not. That's a relief. It's amazing how many people poorly read the Bible with/without traditional doctrinal help. Both are messy, because the Bible is a huge complex book. And yet simple.
Actually, I'm currently working on some talking donkey doctrine. But it's not helpful at this stage. Seriously amusing though. Good for atheists to ponder... God put it in the bible for a reason.
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My response: I believe exactly what the Bible says...
2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Scripture is God breathed and sound doctrine comes from it!
Therefore, sound doctrine is NOT man-made... but comes from Scripture... God-breathed.
God-breathed... NOT man-made!
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2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Why would God warn about people not enduring MAN-MADE teachings???
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My response: LOL!
So much for spiritual discernment.
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My response: you claim to be a nobody... yet you think you are God.
God says only He knows the hearts of men... but you claim to have "got my number".
FALSE humility... claiming to be nobody... yet claiming attributes of God.
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My response: Repent???? For quoting and believing the Bible...
...THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
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But I agree. It's not gonna happen. Pride goeth before a what?"
My response: You don't know what pride goes before?
Awwwwww! And I was hoping you guys would get along.
I hear ya. It's somewhat interesting watching people bounce off of each other.
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My response: Are you saved? Is that how the Bible teaches you to talk?
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My response: You said this... NOT ME.
I just asked if your vocabulary is reflective of true Christians? Is it the type of speech the Bible endorses?
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My response: LOL! You are clueless!
* Have you ever ministered in an AIDS hospital?
* On the streets in the hoods of NYC?
* In Africa?
I have NEVER been to seminary... NEVER sat in ivory towers...
...but you think you are ALL KNOWING... yet you KNOW NOTHING.
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What AIDS hospital did you do ministry in?
What hoods in NYC?
Where in Africa?
I am curious if we ever ministered in the same places.
Why is your vocabulary inclusive of so much offensive language?
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I am good with a reset.
I often worked with large church near Marcus Garvey park in Harlem. It used to be a public school that was closed, left vacant, and eventually purchased and renovated by the church.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live. -1 Corinthians 8:6
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. -2 Corinthians 13:14
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. -Matthew 28:19-DIVINE WORDS BY DIANE.