A Little Hatred [Oct 5, 2019]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Stephen wrote: "Yes, the Industrial Revolution and the Luddites. Among a host of other groups that at one time or another rose up in that time."

Yea... this book definitely reminds me of my history classes... and watching season 1 of Peaky Blinders...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Silvana wrote: "I think I understand why people getting carried away with this book since I am experiencing it myself.

I am now at 72%. Yes, I only slept for three hours because....well you know. 'One more chapte..."

Not quite there yet, but you described what I was trying to say a comment or 2 ago... this is going so much faster than Dragon Republic for me... audiobook speedup helps tho...

I clicked your spoiler even tho I shouldn't have, and your talk of shifting POVs frequently reminds me of all Scott's warnings about Malazan, lol...

[Rob]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Silvana wrote: "19%
So Savine..."

OH SHIT... [spoilers removed]"

(view spoiler)[Yes it is fun to watch over the course of the book as this information is not discussed in the book and definitely relies on reader memory (hide spoiler)]

Well, but is triggered by (view spoiler)[The way Jezal/the king reacts to her (hide spoiler)]

[Rob]

Oh, and FWIW, I really enjoy Pacey, the narrator for all of Abercrombie's books. I ended up reading them mostly in book format during my re-read though.

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Rob wrote: "Oh, and FWIW, I really enjoy Pacey, the narrator for all of Abercrombie's books. I ended up reading them mostly in book format during my re-read though."

The music and narration of these books are forever tied to the series... the second I loaded up this book and heard the same sounds and voices, Perfection...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Finished Part 2 already... that (view spoiler)[riot scene (hide spoiler)] was intense...

[Rob]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Finished Part 2 already... that [spoilers removed] was intense..."

I thought (view spoiler)[It was almost too much with the frenzied POVs but then again I read that bit. I suspect it may have come across better in the audiobook (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Near the end now... just finished chapter 54...

You know something's about to go wrong in an Abercrombie relationship, when everybody is happy... (view spoiler)[Rikka and Leo crumbled a bit when he didn't kill the Wolf...

And Savine just found out what we knew all along and discussed... that Orso is her brother... (hide spoiler)]

[Silvana]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Silvana wrote: "19%
So Savine..."

OH SHIT... [spoilers removed]"

This is exactly why I thought reading previous books would come in handy. I was reading their scenes with a sense of dread.

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

I finished... I definitely agree about the similarities between this book and the first book of the first trilogy... so much happened to change the game board at the end...

And that scene with (view spoiler)[Bayaz and Rikka (hide spoiler)] really paralleled the scenes between Jezal and Yuru Sulfur early in the first trilogy, too...

Unlike Silvana, I've always been in the camp of wanting to see Bayaz taken down a notch or two... not sure how realistic that is in this world, where he's basically the Wizard of Oz, controlling everything from behind the curtain of Valants and Balk, but here we are...

[Silvana]

Huh? What did I say about Bayaz? Don't remember advocating for him.

[Anni]

Siobhan wrote: "I'm only 16% in, really liking it so far! I'd missed Abercrombie so much! XD can't wait to get to some of your spoilers."

Same! Oh how I missed his writing style and the world of the first law :)

Chapter 2; Where the Fight's Hottest (view spoiler)[

Rikke's vision from Chapter 1 said: 'I saw a wolf eat the sun. Then a lion ate the wolf. Then a lamb ate the lion. Then an owl ate the lamb.'
Sun = The Union
Wolf = The Anti-Union, Anti-Dogman Northmen
Lion = Leo dan Brock
Lamb = Logen? Uhhh! :)

Not sure about the owl yet, tho... (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 4; Keeping Score (view spoiler)[

‘What’s your name?’

She planted one elbow on the stretch of counter Zuri had wiped so she could lean closer and draw out both syllables. ‘Savine.’

‘That’s a lovely name.’

‘Oh, if you enjoy the tip, you’ll go mad for the whole thing.’

‘That so?’ he purred at her. ‘How does it go?’

‘Savine… dan…’ And she leaned even closer to deliver the punchline. ‘Glokta.’

If a name had been a knife and she had cut his throat with hers, the blood could not have drained more quickly from his face. He gave a strangled cough, took a step back and nearly fell over one of his own barrels."

Oh how much I loved that part! (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 5; A Little Public Hanging (view spoiler)[ Oh shit... As Rob posted the blurb back in December, I totally saw something like that coming. Let's hope they doesn't "deepen" the relationship any further...

Also it seems like Orso got more from his father's personality than Savine... But if Jezal is able to evolve, maybe so is Orso... (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Silvana wrote: "Huh? What did I say about Bayaz? Don't remember advocating for him."

Sorry... must have misattributed that to you... I read a lot of comments about First Law yesterday... most in here were you and Rob, but I also skimmed a reddit thread... maybe it came from there...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Sir Anni wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "I'm only 16% in, really liking it so far! I'd missed Abercrombie so much! XD can't wait to get to some of your spoilers."

Same! Oh how I missed his writing style and the world of t..."

Chapter 2: (view spoiler)[the Seeing comes up again near the end, when you might have more ideas...

This idea isn't really connected to the story much, but I wonder if the Sun is Bayaz... since the world of First Law basically revolves around him... that's probably just wishful thinking on my part, tho...

But it might work, in a way, if the Owl is (view spoiler)[ Rikka herself, someone else who could pull strings (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[Anni]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Sir Anni wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "I'm only 16% in, really liking it so far! I'd missed Abercrombie so much! XD can't wait to get to some of your spoilers."

Same! Oh how I missed his writing style a..."

Uh, that do make sense as well, I just asumed that the sun stands for the union, as that's what their banners show, or do I mess things up here?

[Silvana]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Silvana wrote: "Huh? What did I say about Bayaz? Don't remember advocating for him."

Sorry... must have misattributed that to you... I read a lot of comments about First Law yesterday... most in h..."

No worries!

Since we are talking about Bayaz (view spoiler)[do you think he was the Weaver? (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Silvana wrote: "Timelord Iain wrote: "Silvana wrote: "Huh? What did I say about Bayaz? Don't remember advocating for him."

Sorry... must have misattributed that to you... I read a lot of comments about First Law ..."

(view spoiler)[Him, or Yuru Sulfur as his agent, or someone on the Open Council that approached Leo at the end of the book... so many possibilities... Bayaz was such a shadow agent in this book, only showing up at the very end... another thing that longtime readers are more likely to understand... new readers will feel more like Orso about him, I'm sure... (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

Sir Anni wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "I'm only 16% in, really liking it so far! I'd missed Abercrombie so much! XD can't wait to get to some of your spoilers."

Same! Oh how I missed his writing style and the world of t..."

RE chapter 2 - I like it! XD (view spoiler)[Lamb! I didn't even think of that. Dare I hope to see him? :D (hide spoiler)]

I also adored that part of chapter 4! :D

And yep, chapter 5 was definitely "oh shit!" 😅

[Siobhan]

In up to chapter 12 and still getting to know different POVs. I like that there's so many characters!

[Anni]

Siobhan wrote: "In up to chapter 12 and still getting to know different POVs. I like that there's so many characters!"

I also just finished chapter 12 and I love how many of the "old" characters appear :)

[Rob]

Silvana wrote: "Timelord Iain wrote: "Silvana wrote: "Huh? What did I say about Bayaz? Don't remember advocating for him."

Sorry... must have misattributed that to you... I read a lot of comments about First Law ..."

(view spoiler)[Absolutely or as Sulfur as someone else mentioned. This is totally his M-O from when he had Jezal defeat that revolt without much effort. (hide spoiler)]

[Silvana]

But it will be just another rehash of the first trilogy, no?

I hope we get a new super powered player. Did not the Maker have more students?

[Rob]

Silvana wrote: "But it will be just another rehash of the first trilogy, no?

I hope we get a new super powered player. Did not the Maker have more students?"

I'm tentatively hopeful that Bayaz and the other Magi/mage types will lose their power over normal "human?" destiny in that world. On the other hand that would go against Abercrombie norms where we should usually expect the worst/most satiricial outcome possible :)

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Rob wrote: "Silvana wrote: "But it will be just another rehash of the first trilogy, no?

I hope we get a new super powered player. Did not the Maker have more students?"

I'm tentatively hopeful that Bayaz an..."

Bayaz just needs to be the recipient of Abercrombie Justice

[Rob]

Bayaz just needs to be the recipient of Abercrombie Justice

Yes, this!

[Siobhan]

Chapter 23. Full of Sad Stories - (view spoiler)[wow that was hard to read, I feel sick. Poor boy, what an awful way to die. So Broad is going to join the Breakers... (hide spoiler)]

28. Sinking Ships - (view spoiler)[Looks like the Breakers are doing much better in this city. I wonder if Glokta knows that that Risinau guy is actually part of them. I like to think he does.
Love reading Savine's POV, she's so strong but human too. She just really entertains me! (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

30. The Little People (view spoiler)[Well that all went to shit quickly! Good job Savine wears a wig because getting rid of that has definitely helped her go unnoticed. I like it when you get loads of different perspectives on a chapter like this.
Wonder how she'll get out of this one. (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

idiffer wrote: "Did you guys enjoy the dialogues as much as I did? I thought some of them were small masterpieces, like [spoilers removed]"

Opened your spoiler now I'm done and I totally agree. The dialogues are such a strength. Loved that particular scene! :)

[Silvana]

I am curious who your favorite character are from all the POVs.

[Stephen]

I am going with Gunnar and Rikke

[Siobhan]

My favourite POV was probably Savine. But that's a tough call! I also loved Clover and Rikke.

[Anni]

I'm still in the middle of Chapter 30, but I agree, I really love how Abrcrombie use the different POVs and the change between them to tell the story!
Picking a favourit POV is pretty hard, but I think I would go with Rikke and Savine...

[Silvana]

I will go with Savine and Clover too. The Savine thing is obviously affected by her parents :D

[Siobhan]

Silvana wrote: "I will go with Savine and Clover too. The Savine thing is obviously affected by her parents :D"

Obviously XD she can't help but be awesome.

[Anni]

I finished as well, 6 Stars! ✨✨ :)

I loved this book to pieces, all the "old" characters showing up again made me a bit nostalgic :D I think it was really well done how Abercrombie mixed old and new characters together.
Also I think it's amazing how a book can be so bloody, dirty and also slightly imature at the same time as really thoughtful, wise and witty. There are a lot of things that make you question society and motives and also a lot of great quotes. On top of that I really love the humor and it made me laugh and smile a lot of times.
Only slightly negative thing I might say is that I wished the ending would have been a little more closed, it felt more like the ending of a book part not a book 😅

[Rob]

Sir Anni wrote: "I finished as well, 6 Stars! ✨✨ :)

I loved this book to pieces, all the "old" characters showing up again made me a bit nostalgic :D I think it was really well done how Abercrombie mixed old and n...would have been a little more closed, it felt more like the ending of a book part not a book"

Yes - I agree. I definitely want the next one now since there is no closure, but given how many old characters got included and how many have not made their presence known (view spoiler)[paging Mr. Nine Fingers. Actually - so since we're 30 years down the road, Jezal seemed to be in his early to mid-fifties as was Ardee. Glotka in his early to mid sixties. How old would Logan be? I'd guessing 60s as well? (hide spoiler)] there is plenty to be excited about.