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Do you think I'm old, or is it just me?---Botticelli
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Mmm, not easy either... Am I right to think this one is a bit older?Middle ages perhaps?
It has to be a difficult one for this advanced group... let’s see what others think.
This is obscure, but it sounds like you might be talking 19th century. I keep thinking of someone like John Everett Millais (English, a founder of pre-Raphaelite group) or maybe Edward Burne-Jones. But I just dunno. The word "workshop" feels a little misleading. And all that descriptive language seems not useful in terms of description. Look forward to hearing what others guess.
My ambiguity is intentional, this is quite a well-known artist. I’ll give... it’s pre-19th century.
Italian?Than I know more than 3...
Hieronymous Bosch? Not that we actually know all that much about him. Except we don't know when he was born, let alone that he had a workshop by the time he was 14.
Heather wrote: "You got the right century, Connie!"Are we talking 15th or 16th century as being right?
The artist I always teach as a contemporary of Durer is Botticelli. He's the only artist precocious enough and long-lived enough to match the criteria. However I would quibble with several points of the description. As for taking on projects others wouldn't? Not sure about that. And late career, if it was "blighted" by anything, it would be his participation in the cult around Savonarola and involvement in the Bonfire of the Vanities.
Michelangelo or Raphael won't fit ?
I guess ,they are all very famous..
"Despite a considerable amount of fame and recognition, Botticelli's working career is blighted by its conclusion, which was undermined by the new artistic movement of the High Renaissance...Botticelli's later career was marked by the influence of one charismatic monk in Florence by the name of Savonarola. At Savonarola's peak of popularity, he burned many works of art and books which he deemed to be ungodly. Among such works were some of Botticelli's pieces and even after Savonarola's popular decline and eventual death Botticelli's paintings remained deeply religious.
Botticelli remained in Florence despite pressures to flee after Savonarola's downfall and made a name for himself as one of the best painters of altarpieces.
Despite such success, however, Botticelli's later career was blighted by a time of great change in Florence and it was to lead to troubling times for the artist. In an effort to keep up with constantly changing styles and techniques Botticelli accepted difficult commissions, which other artists would not. Botticelli's decline was cemented by the onset of the High Renaissance, in which his artistic style seemed outdated in comparison. Contemporary artists such as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo further pushed Botticelli from the artistic spotlight."
https://www.artble.com/artists/sandro...
Ellen wrote: "The artist I always teach as a contemporary of Durer is Botticelli. He's the only artist precocious enough and long-lived enough to match the criteria. However I would quibble with several points o..."You got it, Ellen. It’s Botticelli! His career was “blighted” by the High Renaissance overtaking the art world.
Yeeeaaahhh, you see I disagree with the analysis and assertion. Botticelli's career was NEVER blighted, at least in my opinion. (I have to say, I wouldn't let my students cite Artble.com because it doesn't provide editorial policy or credentials of the individuals doing the writing.)
Just as that conversation with Dirk and others, I am very cautious about vocabulary and compartmentalization. The High Renaissance, again in my opinion, really didn't "take over the art world." The arc of the Renaissance, from earliest manifestations with Giotto in the early 14th century to Raphael, Michelangelo and Bramante in Rome from 1500-1520 is a complex structure that incorporates a number of influences and distinctive directions. But it wasn't a matter of one movement supplanting another, the way we think of impressionism being supplanted by symbolism, which was supplanted by fauvism and cubism.
And by 1500 when Michelangelo was just coming into renown, Botticelli was 55, an old man in fact. And Botticelli was not really in any competitive relationship with Leonardo da Vinci at any point because of the peripatetic nature of Leonardo's life and his disinclination to seeing commissions through to completion. Botticelli was MUCH more reliable.
But again, this is how I read the facts I know and I certainly concede that there are many and even contradictory readings of the same facts.
So... this was an interesting challenge. It really was a tough one to figure out, despite Botticelli's fame. Thanks, Heather!
Ellen wrote: "Yeeeaaahhh, you see I disagree with the analysis and assertion. Botticelli's career was NEVER blighted, at least in my opinion. (I have to say, I wouldn't let my students cite Artble.com because ..."
You're welcome, Ellen! It's actually a bit difficult to try to 'challenge' all of you educated and intelligent bunch!
I can appreciate your thoughts on this one, Ellen. I don't think his fame was ever "blighted" either. I had never heard that and as far as I'm concerned, he's just as great, and art almost if not at the equivalent value of Michelangelo or da Vinci. Maybe it's part of my less education in the topics of art, but I never really assumed a huge difference in the Renaissance and 'High Renaissance' or those particular artists named above. So, again, I don't see how he could have been "blighted".
Good to know your take on using reference to artble.com. You, as an art historian and professor, would know where the truth lies and what is more realistic, thank you for educating me! I will keep that in mind when I post more artists' bios.
Heather wrote: "...I will keep that in mind when I post more artists' bios."You bet. On the one hand, I love to see all this enthusiasm for art on the web and many of these sites are an engaging way to learn about art and artists. On the other hand, and this is similar to the wiki problem, one really needs to know who is doing the writing and what their credentials are. If that information isn't prominent in the menus or on the home page, that might be something to consider.
A great source of ideas are the museum websites that include a lot of biographical information. The Getty, The Met, The Tate are all excellent (and in English).
https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/a-z
http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/
https://americanart.si.edu/art/artists
https://www.nga.gov/collection/artist...
https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/pa...
These websites may or may not be easy to search to find interesting artists. But they might help. And I so enjoy the little mysteries. Makes me think and makes me think outside my usual box.
____________'s career started at age 14...Such delicate expressions on the faces of his models in addition to his decorative approach led to his growing notoriety as an artist. By the age of 15 he was able to open a workshop of his own.
Such a development of talent led to a distinctive artistic style, which was epitomized by life-like figures with a sad or melancholic style...he could appeal to many tastes by including Christianity and paganism in his works.
Later in life, in an effort to keep up with constantly changing styles and techniques, _______________ accepted difficult commissions, which other artists would not. ____________'s decline was cemented by the onset of the {movement}, in which his artistic style seemed outdated in comparison.
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