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message 1: by Pam (last edited Oct 25, 2018 05:38AM) (new)

Pam | 1101 comments Mod
Similar to helping people who aren't like you: learn from them, add you voice to their cause, point out if the current system doesn't help them, etc.

I'm not very familiar with autism, my sister is handicapable and I worked with medical orthodics devices. The big thing that I find for them is cost of life.

-I.e. government policies dictate the disabled communities aid vs how much is out of pocket. Or even policy on what's considered a medical device or a personal device
- availability of jobs. Just because individuals don't function like you or me doesn't mean they cannot function at all
- transportation. Does your city / community have a bus for people who have wheelchair needs? Or at least a service to help these individuals get to places like the grocery store?
- infrastructure: can the disabled community use the facilities? Are there ramps instead of stairs? ATMs at their level etc etc etc


message 2: by Magali (new)

Magali (daisymoon) I don't really understand the question. Help in what way ?


message 3: by Iamshadow (last edited Oct 27, 2018 09:04PM) (new)

Iamshadow | 30 comments Maricela wrote: "How can we help people with disabilities? For example, autistic people who see the world differently."

1) Treat us as people, not as less. An adult or an older child being talked to in a baby voice is not on, regardless of how their disability presents. Talk to us at age appropriate level. If we're interested in something, get excited about it with us, rather than telling us we're boring. Sharing our interest is our way of trying to communicate. We love a thing. We're opening up ourselves to you. It might not be how you're used to doing a conversation, but it is meaningful communication, and it means we want to share that excitement with you. That's a big deal. Recognise it.

2) Our diagnosis is none of your business, unless we feel comfortable talking to you about it. It's really none of your business if we were diagnosed as a kid, an adult, self-diagnosed, or questioning. It's none of your business if our autism has changed its presentation as we've aged. It's really none of your business if you think you know what autism looks like, and we don't match up with your preconceptions. And please, if we're verbal, dressed appropriately, out in public and unattended, it's not a compliment to tell us how well we're doing. We're just as autistic when we're 'passing' as when we really aren't. Passing for normal is not an achievement, it's a monumental effort that most of us feel long term health effects from if we have to do it daily. Allowing natural autistic behaviours is something a lot of us have to relearn in adulthood to manage our anxiety. An adult flapping, pacing, tapping, or playing with a stim toy isn't being babyish or playing at autism, they're trying to take care of themselves. Don't stare or tut or tell us we're embarrassing you. (Telling us our Tangle is awesome and you want one is totally okay, though.)

3) Our sex life is none of your business, unless we're in a sexual relationship with you. Just because we're autistic doesn't mean we can't consent. That said, if there's someone being weird and intimate with us when we're a minor and they're in a position of authority, make sure we're okay. Compliance based therapies heavily used with autistic children (like ABA) make autistic children very vulnerable to sexual abuse, because they teach children to do things that are uncomfortable, painful or unnatural to them to please adults for rewards.

4) Make a conscious choice to be okay with difference, be it physical, intellectual, neurological, whatever. This might be harder than it sounds. Disability can come with mobility needs, sensory needs, dietary needs and routine based needs. It might require communication devices or sign language, or a picture-based communication system, even if to you, the person 'seems' verbal. It's rare for an autistic person to have no difficulties with verbal communication, and if you've only ever seen them happy or relaxed, you might not know they need to use their phone to communicate when they're upset or overwhelmed. Also, non verbal autistics might have a couple of words, scripted speech, or echolalic phrases they can use when conditions are right, even though they primarily use AAC or sign. Verbal ability isn't a fixed thing. It fluctuates. Be patient if we're struggling. It's more frustrating for us than for you.

5) Everyone's disability is unique. No two autistic people are the same. Likes, dislikes, sensitivities, strengths, difficulties. An autistic person might be sensory seeking, non verbal, highly intelligent, low anxiety, highly organised. They might be highly verbal, high anxiety, low executive function, mild intellectual disability, dyslexic, supertaster. They could have any combination of interests and personality traits, and come combined with a whole array of other disabilities. Don't think because you know one autistic person, you know every autistic person. We're individuals.

6) Listen to us, not to Autism Speaks or 'autism moms'. Our experience is unique to us. It cannot be fully understood by a neurotypical bystander, regardless of how close that relationship is. Read books by autistic people (there are a lot). Donate to the Autistic Self Advocacy Network or Autistic Women & Nonbinary Network. Don't light it up blue, put puzzle pieces on your car, or spread anti-vax rhetoric (which is fake science and basically hinges on the fact that a lot of people would rather have dead kids than autistic ones). Watch documentaries produced by autistic people about their experiences. Check out neurowonderful's Youtube series Ask An Autistic.

7) Don't assume we're straight. Don't assume we're cisgender. Don't assume we don't understand the complexities of our multifaceted identities. Gender and sexuality variance is present in autistic people, just as it is in neurotypical people. In fact, there's actually evidence there is a higher proportion of transgender, nonbinary and genderqueer people in the autistic community than in the genpop. Our experience of sexuality and gender is also viewed through our lens of autistic experience, and there are terms created specifically by autistic people to encapsulate this (like gendervague).

8) Don't assume we can't have relationships, friendships, and families outside of our parents and siblings. Don't assume we can't be awesome parents. Don't assume we can't make informed choices about our bodies and procreation. Autistic people have been here as long as people have been here. I'm from a multigenerational family myself, with both male and female autistic people, stretching back at least five generations, anecdotally (further than that, highly probably, but we don't have the information).

9) Don't think we'd be better off dead. This is why adults and children are murdered by parents and caregivers every year without legal repercussions. Our lives have value. The next time you see a news article where a parent cries about killing their child, don't rationalise that 'it must be so hard' to be taking care of us. That's essentially saying we're responsible for our own murder, and that it was justifiable homicide. MURDER IS MURDER. If you want to campaign for better respite and support in your area, GREAT, but don't give parents who murder their children a free pass. Parenting is hard, but people have a choice, and we must stop allowing people who make the choice to kill to get away with murder. Whenever it happens, someone else, somewhere, thinks murder is an appropriate solution to the problem of a disabled person needing care in their life, and another irreplaceable, unique person dies.

10) We have the right to exist in public spaces. Yes, that autistic person having a meltdown might be disrupting your shopping and hurting your ears. I can guarantee their life is harder than yours right then. Have some compassion (not pity) and give them some space. We have the right to be in restaurants, in theatres, in libraries and in schools. If you think a person with a disability being in those spaces is going to have a negative effect on your children, maybe you should think about your parenting, rather than about segregation.


message 4: by Dr. Rida (new)

Dr. Rida   (ridaimran) | 22 comments Iamshadow wrote: "1) Treat us as people, not as less. An adult or an older child being talked ..."

This is the best answer! Thank you!


message 5: by Iamshadow (last edited Oct 28, 2018 01:10AM) (new)

Iamshadow | 30 comments Rida wrote: "This is the best answer! Thank you!"

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. (It took me two days.)


message 6: by Geneviève (new)

Geneviève | 1 comments Thank you for your enlightening words!


message 7: by Lynn (new)

Lynn Lovegreen (lynn_lovegreen) Yes, thanks for taking the time to write, Pam and iamshadow.


message 8: by Iamshadow (last edited Oct 28, 2018 07:04PM) (new)

Iamshadow | 30 comments Keith wrote: "I totally agree with everything written to this thread ('Iamshadow', you are brilliant) but we must never forget the families, carers and supporters who, in many cases, put their lives on hold purely due to love.."

I wasn't suggesting forgetting the families and caregivers, I was saying that the voices of disabled people need to be amplified. If you go to a bookshop or a library, there are dozens of books by parents about their experiences with disabled children and family members. There are far fewer by disabled people themselves. This isn't because the books aren't being written, it's because parental accounts get picked up by major publishing houses far more often than personal accounts do, and therefore, get much more exposure and larger print runs, and that's wrong.

It should be possible for a disabled person to say 'listen to me' without nondisabled people around them chiming in to say 'yes, but listen to us, too!'

Parents choose to put their lives on hold to parent every day. You don't know, going in, if your child is going to be disabled (unless you choose to adopt an older, disabled child, as in the excellent parental account Reasonable People). Choosing to parent out of love shouldn't be seen as this monumental thing if the child turns out to be disabled. You chose to parent. Why is love seen as a greater sacrifice when the kid has special needs? It's ableism. As though loving us is naturally harder, because we're different, because we take up more space in people's lives.

How can you help us? Consciously question that. Question why there are books on the shelf about friendship aimed at autistic and other neurodiverse kids called things like It's So Much Work to Be Your Friend. What kind of weight are you putting on the disabled person when so much of what parents and caregivers focus on is the effort, the 'extra' love they require? Believe me, disabled people know. Nondisabled people never let us forget.


message 9: by Leslie (last edited Oct 29, 2018 09:30AM) (new)

Leslie (lesliejean43) | 88 comments Iamshadow wrote: "Maricela wrote: "How can we help people with disabilities? For example, autistic people who see the world differently."

1) Treat us as people, not as less. An adult or an older child being talked ..."


Thank you very much for your wonderful post.


message 10: by indi ♡ (new)

indi ♡ (absintheandroses) i myself am disabled. i have scoliosis, ehlers-danlos syndrome, and am hard of hearing. i may not be wheelchair-bound, but i am still disabled.

some ways to help people with disabilities are very simple.

1. please don't stare. staring is really rude and makes us very self-conscious and just drives home the fact that we are different and don't fit in.

2. don't ask about our disabilities. please. we will tell you if we feel the need to.

3. please, please, PLEASE don't treat us differently than anybody else. we are human beings as well, and deserve to be treated as such.

4. please be respectful of us.

5. please support us. dealing with disabilities is not fun. oh, and please don't say "oh, i wish i had (insert disability here). that's so cool!" NO. disabilities are not desirable. that's like saying "i want your disability so i can be special too" or "i want your disability so you're not as special". that is rude and highly disrespectful.

thank you.

from quinn, a fellow disabled person.


message 11: by Sammy (new)

Sammy Eagleson | 8 comments Well, for one thing we could have more disabled protagonists in our stories - and not have the story be about their disability! Is that too much to ask? There is a severe lack of diversity in fiction and it goes beyond racism and sexism, its ableist too! The vast majority of us will in our lives, either have a disability or go on to have a disability so there needs to be better representation. And not the condescending and sanctimonious kind!


message 12: by Iamshadow (new)

Iamshadow | 30 comments Sammy wrote: "Well, for one thing we could have more disabled protagonists in our stories - and not have the story be about their disability! Is that too much to ask? There is a severe lack of diversity in ficti..."

There are some good books in YA right now. http://disabilityinkidlit.com/ is a great place to start.

Personal recommendations - I love On the Edge of Gone and Queens of Geek. Both feature autistic MCs and are written by autistic people, so the portrayals are GREAT. Plus, these two authors are just fantastic anyway, so more people should read their work.


message 13: by Cendaquenta (new)

Cendaquenta If we're talking about books with disabled main characters... *throws Into the Drowning Deep at the thread*
Adult horror novel about killer mermaids with an ensemble cast featuring, among others, an awesome and highly capable autistic woman and Deaf twins who are a scientist and marine explorer respectively. Sign language is a major plot point in the climax. I love... I love it beyond words.

To address the original post, I'd say that one thing that would be helpful wrt autism would be to stop describing us as "seeing the world differently", "in/from another world", etc. I'm sure Maricela meant no offence by the phrase but I see similar wording a lot and it feels pretty dehumanizing. As if we're somehow less real, or at best less "present" or aware, less part of our own lives, than neurotypical people.


message 14: by Iamshadow (new)

Iamshadow | 30 comments Cendaquenta wrote: "To address the original post, I'd say that one thing that would be helpful wrt autism would be to stop describing us as "seeing the world differently", "in/from another world", etc. I'm sure Maricela meant no offence by the phrase but I see similar wording a lot and it feels pretty dehumanizing. As if we're somehow less real, or at best less "present" or aware, less part of our own lives, than neurotypical people."

It's a personal thing, but that doesn't bother me, really. I think because I do think and see the world differently, and I know it, from conversations with nonautistic people in my life. What bothers me is if people don't respect my different viewpoint on life as valid, simply because it's different. I mean, if I'm just plain wrong about something, factually, I don't mind much being 'corrected'. But something innate, something that changes the way I experience life, that's not and never can be wrong. That's something I hope younger autistic people learn to be assertive about as they grow up - that just because they see the world from a different angle doesn't mean they have to force themselves to try and see it as an NT would. Their experiencing it as they do is not lesser.

Ah, I didn't think of recommending Drowning Deep because though I love Seanan's work, I'm not a massive fan of horror, so it isn't one of hers I've read, though I knew it had an autistic character.

If we're talking adult fiction rather than YA, I like The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (Millennium series) and Lizbeth Salander as a canonical autistic character, but I know it's very much a series that people feel divided on. I know some autistics who hate it.


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