Operation Paperclip / Project Paperclip declassified (The U.S./Nazi post-WW2 collaboration)

[James, Group Founder]

WIKILEAKS: Architects of the cold war https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/...

After the war in Europe, Dulles served for six months as the OSS Berlin station chief. In 1947, Congress created the Central Intelligence Agency. Dulles was closely involved with its development. His translator at this time was Henry Kissinger, who worked for Army Intelligence. Dulles' CIA Operation Paperclip assimilated Nazi scientists into the American establishment by obscuring their histories and short circuiting efforts to disclose their true identities to the public, over time stonewalling them into national acceptance. The project was led by profiled officers in the United States Army, who were given too much political latitude without political experience. From 1943 to 1947, the humongous figure of Nazi Germany cadre, the brain drain, imported by this unit into USA, Canada and South America left no record “secreted” for the Germanic brotherhood to survive the age among their brethren in the western hermisphere….

Although the program officially ended in September 1947, those officers and other officials carried out Washington conspiracies until the mid-fifties that bypassed both law and presidential directives to keep the Paperclip gang from public view, headed by non other than our future space hero, Dr. Wernher von Braun, the “Butcher of Nordhausen,” where 60,000 concentration work camps conscripts from Eastern Europe, including Jews, died in the infamous tunnels developing the V-2 rocket…

President Truman was not informed that his instructions were ignored,1 though Gen. Eisenhower-cum President must have been in the know as wartime commander of our Armed Forces in Europe. Therefrom such wartime permissiveness and cover-ups became part and parcel of postwar official behavior in Washington, SOP acts of aggression at home and abroad, indeed conducted assassinations of foreign leaders, eventually including our own JFK (see below).

Significantly and fatefully an extension of Nazi fascism, including the brutal cadre, arrived in the United States and Canada to carry on domination and conquest, in face of the defeated Third Reich. Dulles' CIA Operation Paperclip, the rocketry team and other cadre, as we shall see below, assimilated Nazi scientists into the American establishment by obscuring their histories and short circuiting efforts to bring their true stories to light. The project was led by officers in the United States Army, the same corps which spirited (at least through one channel, the St. Spiridon Eastern Orthodox Church in Trieste, northern Italy) over 9,000 ‘useful’ Hitler cadre as well as outright criminals such as one Joseph Mengele, the Angel of Death, and Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon…Of course, the Vatican should have opposed it, if not approved it, compromised in backing the wartime fascism of the Mussolini regime. Although the program officially ended in September 1947, it started in 1943; those officers and others carried out conspiracies well into the postwar period. In fact, the General Reinhard Gehlen’s Organization, the German CIA duplicate, falsified threats from encroaching communism to the extent that the polarization of global meridians in the Cold War reached the level of an atomic planetary holocaust in the 1962 Cuban blockade crisis, but for the ability and wisdom of the Kremlin to back down (see chap. 4 and 5, plus the Appendix of my Cold War trilogy, 2005 ed.).

Gen. Gehlen was Hitler’s military intelligence chief of the German Armies on the Eastern Front, who defected to the United States in 1945, and returned to Pullach, West Germany, occupied the Vice Fuhrer’s Rudolf Hess’s villa with the CIA created Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND or Federal Intelligence Service).

Significantly, in the 1948 Presidential election, Allen Dulles was Republican nominee Thomas E. Dewey's chief advisor, who lost the election to everyone’s surprise to Harry Truman, including Allen Dulles, the Truman foe… Ol’ Harry S. Truman, the Congressman from Independence, Missouri, who fought in the Hedge War of WW-I in France, Belgium and Germany (alongside this writer’s father, who was a hero of the Battle Verdun), was very suspicious of intelligence, hence the dissolution of SOS at his insistence on the conclusion of war in 1945. However, shortly thereafter he was pressured under threat of encroaching international communism to approve the formation of the CIA in 1947, and all the other entities comprising the infrastructure of the onrushing Cold War, including the Truman Doctrine, which precluded spread of communism under the threat of open war against the communist cavalcade, etc. Consequently, the Dulles brothers and James Forrestal helped form the Office of Policy Coordination. Under President Eisenhower, not surprisingly Allen became director of CIA, his brother John Foster Dulles the Secretary of State (1953-1959), therefrom the galloping misfor-tunes of post-WW II American policies and aggressive politics abroad, mind you, to this very date. Therefore, it’s absolutely essential for the reader to understand how and wherefrom the ongoing power politics-amiss came from--as an institution of aggression and precipitous decline of democracy in the American sociopolitical system!

Read full Wikileaks article here: https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/...

[James, Group Founder]

Guys, I know I've been like a broken record in this group going on and on about Operation Paperclip...And how important it all is to understanding post-WW2 history...But I just honestly believe, according to everything I've researched and been told by those in the know, it's much more far-reaching than we've been told...Keep in mind only about 50% of Paperclip's files and interrelated documents (e.g. Britain's equivalent Operation Matchbox) have been declassified so far...

So what are they withholding? Protection of Joseph Mengele (Auschwitz' "Angel of Death")? I believe so.

How about protection of Adolf Hitler post-WW2???
Surely not right?

Um...well there's nothing definitive, but just this week in the JFK declassified document dump, there was something very interesting found on Hitler and the CIA...


CIA Document Reported Adolf Hitler Survived World War II http://taskandpurpose.com/cia-documen...

A document on the Central Intelligence Agency’s website makes an explosive, if outlandish, claim: Adolf Hitler survived World War II.

Article excerpt:

“CIMELODY-3 [a code name] was contacted on 29 September 1955 by a trusted friend who served under his command in Europe and who is presently residing in Maracaibo,” the acting intelligence chief in Caracas, Venezuela sent to his supervisor days later, on October 3, 1955. “CIMELODY-3’s friend stated that during the latter part of September 1955, Phillip CITROEN, former German SS trooper, stated to him confidentially that Adolph HITLER is still alive.” It continued, “CITROEN commented that inasmuch as ten years have passed since the end of World War II, the Allies could no longer prosecute HITLER as a criminal of war.”


Shock CIA files reveal Hitler 'STILL ALIVE'…and there are PICTURES to prove it https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weir...
SHOCKING declassified CIA files reveal spooks received a tip Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was still alive more than 10 years after World War 2.


He’s Alive: The CIA’s less-than-enthusiastic investigation into whether Adolf Hitler survived World War II https://www.muckrock.com/news/archive...
In 1955, the Agency’s South American station chief received what was purported to be photographic evidence Hitler was alive and well in Argentina


Here's the actual declassifed CIA document regarding the CIA asset who reported Hitler's existence in South America in the 1950's: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingro...


Absolute proof Hitler survived?
No.
Worthy of more investigation?
Hell yes! Especially as the CIA considered and actually discussed the idea of a mission to Argentina to track down Hitler (if indeed it was him). Add to that there were a number of leading South American journalists (major mainstream journos) who investigated and wrote in the late 1940's and 1950's that Hitler was alive on the continent...

[Harry]

James wrote: "Guys, I know I've been like a broken record in this group going on and on about Operation Paperclip...And how important it all is to understanding post-WW2 history...But I just honestly believe, ac..."

Very interesting stuff, especially as this is coming from CIA sources. Will have a look through those documents in more detail later; although if that actually is a picture of Hitler, you'd think he'd have at least shaved off his moustache.

[Jason]

Codename Angel
Interesting you should mention Operation Paperclip, something I have researched while doing research for my books. It amazing how history can be so easily glossed over.

[Laurette]

Yes the government has many secrets, imagine using these scientists etc for such things as MKUltra. And of course no evidence yet but I think they didn't bother looking for him because they probably assisted him in the first place in exchange for favors, science, technology etc. We live in a diabolical world. And there is talk that the Third Reich had been to Antarctica and there is much attention being paid to that area. The pope, Obama, Kerry, the head of the Orthodox church all going to take a look at something. One day the truth will come to light.

[Jason]

The is a lot of upheaval in Europe at the moment. I think these so called far right groups are just a distraction. The Fourth Reich is already in power

Codename Angel

[James, Group Founder]

Hey all, thanks for your replies.

Harry, I think that photo of Hitler was some crap UK newspaper added...not sure that's a confirmed declassified pic of post WW2 Hitler...And you're right, hiding out in South America with the same moustache and the same first name is a stretch!! Unless the dude was really THAT confident?! Perhaps he had an ironclad deal with the U.S. that he'd never be assassinated or captured?

Laurette, I agree with all you say....And feel pretty sure you're right in assuming there was a deal (possibly even before the war ended?) where the likes of Hitler and Mengele would receive an amnesty of sorts in exchange for the Nazi super-technologies. The U.S. with Paperclip, Britain with Operation Matchbox, and the Soviets with Operation Osoaviakhim, all essentially did a deal with Devil in siding with senior Nazis at the end of WW2. More revelations to come, and yes I also think it involves Antarctica (which is VERY close to the bottom of Argentina) where the Nazis did officially (on record, as stated elsewhere in this group) have a colony before WW2 (New Swabia was the Antarctica colony the Nazis visited and claimed in 1939...).

Jason, good stuff re Codename Angel and interesting that our research intersects on this Paperclip issue. I think it's also possible all these Far Right fascist groups could be extensions of the Fourth Reich rather than a distraction (I mean, 21st Century fascism, modern White Supremacy and 20th Century Nazism aren't exactly poles apart!).


While not yet "conspiracy FACT" the evidence is definitely getting more compelling for Hitler's survival after WW2, especially with these CIA files declassified this week...this short video documentary excerpt worth a look:
HITLER IN ARGENTINA til 65' ( JFK files) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGzNd...

[James, Group Founder]

Here's more info, including now mainstream media reports, on these Hitler references in recent JFK declassified files:

Did Hitler Survive? #JFKFiles Reveal Compelling Document Claiming Adolph Alive in 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUX18...

THE EXPRESS: Hitler alive? CIA investigated if Nazi fled to South America and SURVIVED after war http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/8...

NEWLY declassified CIA documents reveal agents investigated whether Adolf Hitler fled to South America and SURVIVED after the war.

NEW YORK POST: JFK files show informant told CIA Hitler was living in Colombia http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/jfk-file...

HUFFPOST UK: Adolf Hitler ‘Escaped Germany And Fled To Colombia’ Claims Report In Declassified CIA Document http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...
The community 'afforded him storm-trooper adulation.'

DAILY MAIL: How the CIA 'found' Hitler alive in Colombia in 1954: Agency was told about man with a VERY familiar face who lived in an ex-SS community where he was called The Fuhrer and given Nazi salutes, declassified files show http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Declassified CIA report details claims that Hitler lived in Colombia in the 1950s
Phillip Citroen, a former SS officer, told agents the dictator was living in the town of Tunja, 85 miles north of Bogota, among a group of former Nazis in 1954
Citroen said the men called him The Fuhrer, gave him Nazi salutes and 'afforded him storm-trooper adulation'
He even provided a photograph showing a man with a strong likeness of Hitler
Citroen said Hitler left Colombia in January 1955 and moved to Argentina
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

p.s. This quote from 1984 by George Orwell comes to mind: "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."

[Pete]

James wrote: "Guys, I know I've been like a broken record in this group going on and on about Operation Paperclip...And how important it all is to understanding post-WW2 history...But I just honestly believe, ac..."Rather than CIA misinformation I prefer to accept KGB on Hitler's death and the evidence in the book by V.K. Vinogradov.

[James, Group Founder]

As mentioned, a lot of these news reports dovetail in with major South American mainstream media reports around the continent from the late 40s until the 60s in which leading investigative journalists concluded Hitler was there along with Mengele and many other senior SS officials.

Again, these CIA/South American combined reports doesn't mean proof.
But the evidence has certainly escalated of late and it's worthy of investigation, for sure.

YAHOO NEWS: CIA told Hitler was alive after World War II https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-invest...

THE INDEPENDENT: CIA investigated whether Adolf Hitler lived in Colombia during 1950s http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor...

[Dustin]

Thank you, James. I DEFINITELY look forward to reading this! I've been intrigued by Operation: Paperclip since it was mentioned in an X-Files episode.

[James, Group Founder]

Dustin wrote: "Thank you, James. I DEFINITELY look forward to reading this! I've been intrigued by Operation: Paperclip since it was mentioned in an X-Files episode."

Thanks Dustin. I wasn't aware there was an X-Files episode on it.

[James, Group Founder]

OPERATION PAPERCLIPS-EVIL DEEDS REWARDED https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/06/21/op...

Article excerpts follow:

One of the most well-known recruits was Werner Von Braun, the technical director at the Peenemunde Army Research Center in Germany.

SS General Hans Kammler, who as an engineer had constructed several concentration camps, including Auschwitz, had a reputation for brutality and had originated the idea of using concentration camp prisoners as slave laborers in the rocket program. Arthur Rudolph, chief engineer of the V-2 rocket factory at Peenemünde, endorsed this idea in April 1943 when a labor shortage developed. More people died building the V-2 rockets than were killed by it as a weapon. Von Braun admitted visiting the plant at Mittelwerk on many occasions, and called conditions at the plant “repulsive”, but claimed never to have witnessed any deaths or beatings, although it had become clear to him by 1944 that deaths had occurred.He denied ever having visited the Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp itself, where 20,000 died from illness, beatings, hangings, and intolerable working conditions.

Some prisoners claim von Braun engaged in brutal treatment or approved of it. Guy Morand, a French resistance fighter who was a prisoner in Dora, testified in 1995 that after an apparent sabotage attempt, von Braun ordered a prisoner to be flogged, while Robert Cazabonne, another French prisoner, claimed von Braun stood by as prisoners were hanged by chains suspended by cranes.However, these accounts may have been a case of mistaken identity.Former Buchenwald inmate Adam Cabala claims that von Braun went to the concentration camp to pick slave laborers: “[…] also the German scientists led by Prof. Wernher von Braun were aware of everything daily. As they went along the corridors, they saw the exhaustion of the inmates, their arduous work and their pain. Not one single time did Prof. Wernher von Braun protest against this cruelty and bestiality during his frequent stays at Dora. Even the aspect of corpses did not touch him: On a small area near the ambulance shed, inmates tortured to death by slave labor and the terror of the overseers were piling up daily. But, Prof. Wernher von Braun passed them so close that he was almost touching the corpses.

Von Braun was not the only one who had actively taken a part in the genocide. Many more of the Operation Paperclip scientist had committed awful crimes, but yet they were rewarded with a comfortable job.

[Jason]

James wrote: "Hey all, thanks for your replies.

Harry, I think that photo of Hitler was some crap UK newspaper added...not sure that's a confirmed declassified pic of post WW2 Hitler...And you're right, hiding ..."

So do you think Hitler died in that Bunker in Berlin?

[Jason]

James wrote: "Hey all, thanks for your replies.

Harry, I think that photo of Hitler was some crap UK newspaper added...not sure that's a confirmed declassified pic of post WW2 Hitler...And you're right, hiding ..."

What's your take on what's happening in Spain at the moment?

[James, Group Founder]

I'd be completely stepping out of school to comment on the Spanish situ with Catalonia, as not well-versed on that subject. But it seems bizarre and it's hard to believe that all the unrest in the EU over the last few years has happened organically... Someone has been playing a big game of chess all over the European continent, I sense...

[James, Group Founder]

Jason wrote: "James wrote: "Hey all, thanks for your replies.

Harry, I think that photo of Hitler was some crap UK newspaper added...not sure that's a confirmed declassified pic of post WW2 Hitler...And you're ..."

Jason wrote: "So do you think Hitler died in that Bunker in Berlin?..."

Um...that historical "event" is starting to look more and more iffy, isn't it? :)

I actually think it was a bigger crime, or at least equal, to allow Nazi doctor Josef Mengele to live or remain at large (allow is the correct word there, I believe, as he lived peacefully in South America until the late 1970s) given Mengele was the ultimate scientific criminal mind who had the ability and intelligence to continue Frankenstein-like experiments on victims all over the Americas...and potentially influence/infect major scientists in that region with his fascist human experimentation methods, whether in South or North America (probably both, either directly or indirectly...).

So for people who are aware of the monstrosity of Mengele's experimentation within the Holocaust, and for those who have studied Operation Paperclip and know that only about 50% of that sick, twisted program has been declassified to date, is it really that unbelievable to consider some crazy dudes in US/UK intelligence agencies did a deal with Hitler too?

Not saying the West definitely did a deal with Hitler, or that he definitely lived on...But I do tend to lean toward that version and have done for quite some time...Given research I did on Operations Paperclip/Matchbox as well as post-WW2 mainstream media articles by South American journalists who investigated the relocation of senior Nazis to their continent.

Besides the recent CIA declassified document confirming a trusted Sth American CIA asset adamantly stated Hitler was alive in the 1950s, the old bunker story is dodgy at best...

Adolf Hitler suicide story questioned after tests reveal skull is a woman's http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/wo...
"Adolf Hitler's suicide in his Berlin bunker has been called into question after American researchers claimed that a bullet-punctured skull fragment long believed to belong to the Nazi dictator is, in fact, that of an unknown woman."

Likewise, the Soviet/KGB reports on Hitler's death have been called into question by a lot of Russian investigative journos. Not debunked necessarily, but those reports seem to have shaky foundations.

Reports coming from the US, UK or Soviet Union on Hitler's death cannot be automatically trusted considering these same nations sided with senior Nazi leaders/scientists post WW2, as the declassified documents (released so far) of Operations Paperclip/Matchbox/Osoaviakhim prove. We are now learning various deals were in place with certain Nazi figures (before the war even ended), so while there is not proof a conspiracy to keep Hitler alive was in place, we equally cannot blindly trust any of the info we have been fed.

And finally, we need to consider that Hitler (just like Saddam, Osama bin Laden & Gaddafi) regularly used body doubles in his place, especially earlier in the war when there were assassination attempts on his life...The subject of evil leaders having doubles is almost never reported in mainstream media, whereas I think it should be as it's relevant to when they announce certain leaders have been "assassinated".

[Jason]

James wrote: "I'd be completely stepping out of school to comment on the Spanish situ with Catalonia, as not well-versed on that subject. But it seems bizarre and it's hard to believe that all the unrest in the ..."

'Someone has been playing a big game of chess all over the European continent, I sense...'

Mind if I steal that line, its brilliant.

[Jim]

There's another part of Operation Paperclip. A lot of Nazis were used as spies and saboteurs in Europe during the cold war.

I've heard several versions of the Hitler survived theory. I accept that it's feasible for him to have killed a double and gotten away. It's also possible that he did kill himself when everything fell apart. What I don't believe is that he worked some menial job in Colombia. The Nazis stole a lot of wealth. If he got away, he probably lived on an estate somewhere off the beaten path.

[John]

Whatever, the Spanish government are making a total mess out of handling the situation. I prophesy much violence. (Whoops! Off topic!)

[James, Group Founder]

Jim wrote: "I've heard several versions of the Hitler survived theory. I accept that it's feasible for him to have killed a double and gotten away. It's also possible that he did kill himself when everything fell apart. What I don't believe is that he worked some menial job in Colombia. The Nazis stole a lot of wealth. If he got away, he probably lived on an estate somewhere off the beaten path. ..."

My thoughts mirror yours.

[James, Group Founder]

Did Hitler Escape? https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...

Jerome Corsi received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in Political Science in 1972. In 1981, he received a Top Secret clearance from the Agency for International Development. He will discuss his recent work exploring the historical possibility that Hitler escaped Nazi Germany at the end of World War II. Recently released CIA documents indicate that the U.S. government took seriously reports at the end of World War II that Hitler had escaped to South America.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...

[B. Sinsational]

To prevent exposing theim self..
There is always admissions and denials to keep people confused, and to diffuse the truth.
By diffusing what they “release” (which is parts, never complete) leaving less incriminating parts readable, while blacking out other parts they achieve the state of diffusing, and remained deniability, while appearing like they are transparent.
As well as real documents being released, ppaid sites like Snopes etc are used to act as a counterweight, and semi lousy copies stating something else is “leaked” (deliberatly). This measure and countermeasure plus the time factor has ensured that the avarage sheeple assume it is a fake, it never happened (Snopes says so) and surely the media would be all over it, if it was true.
This well researched reaction, and inability to think, research, check, and proactivly seek out facts, is something they count on. The Programming and conditioning via TV, and other mainly digital mediums and methods ensure that the allure to be passive, not self reliant, fact searching or other active methods seems less attractive, straining, and tedious, so the ONLY appealing way seem to be to take in facts from sources that provide with the brains release of reward-coctails.

Examples of documents prooving he did live:

https://archive.org/details/FBIKnewHi...

Blaha blaha until 130-ish page and then just a “maybe”
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/ad...

Saying they did live and prosper;
http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/shocking-e...

http://anonhq.com/adolf-hitler-argent...

Vague:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera...

And finally
(LOL)
Snopes saying its a hoax:
https://www.snopes.com/fbi-files-prov...

[B. Sinsational]

Might be of interest: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...

[James, Group Founder]

Good articles and references, Sinsational.
I wouldn't say we have proof he lived, but evidence is increasing to indicate he might have.
Always gotta play "Devil's Advocate" in all directions ;)

Hunting Hitler: New Scientific Evidence That Hitler Escaped Nazi Germany by the aforementioned Harvard scholar Jerome R. Corsi looks worth a read.

[James, Group Founder]

Americanized Nazis & Operation Paperclip...The Fourth Reich? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Qso...

[James, Group Founder]

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati...

CIA records: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-fo...

The New York Times: Nazis Were Given 'Safe Haven' http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/...

The Guardian: UK arranged transfer of Nazi scientists to Australia (Operation Matchbox) https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/a...

[James, Group Founder]

Conspiracy FACT #1: Operation Paperclip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XF5...

[James, Group Founder]

Many in NASA during the Space Race in the 1950s/60s were Nazi scientists...In fact, many of the rocket scientists in the Soviet Union during that time were also Nazis.

The most famous of course, was...

Wernher von Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher...

Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German, later American, aerospace engineer,[3] and space architect. He was the leading figure in the development of rocket technology in Germany and the father of rocket technology and space science in the United States.[4]

In his twenties and early thirties, von Braun worked in Nazi Germany's rocket development program. He helped design and develop the V-2 rocket at Peenemünde during World War II. Following the war, von Braun was secretly moved to the United States, along with about 1,600 other German scientists, engineers, and technicians, as part of Operation Paperclip. He worked for the United States Army on an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) program and he developed the rockets that launched the United States' first space satellite Explorer 1. His group was assimilated into NASA, where he served as director of the newly formed Marshall Space Flight Center and as the chief architect of the Saturn V super heavy-lift launch vehicle that propelled the Apollo spacecraft to the Moon.[5][6] In 1975, von Braun received the National Medal of Science. He advocated for a human mission to Mars.

[Colin]

Pete wrote: "A partner to Paperclip was the OSS operation Sunrise that rescued high level Nazi intelligence operatives such as Karl Wolff and Reinhard Gehlen along with their spy networks to turn them against t..."

I knew Karl Wolff very well, and also Walter Krupinski who worked for Gehlen post war in Amt Blank. Good stories.

[James, Group Founder]

You mean you knew some of these Paperclip Nazis personally, Colin?

[James, Group Founder]

http://operationopenscript.webstarts....

Excerpt from above link:

Post-WWII when the remaining Nazis were surrendered to American, British, and Russian forces, the American government took in hundreds of Nazi war criminals to work for American interests in OPERATION PAPERCLIP, bringing Erich Traub, former Nazi scientist in the SS under Heinrich Himmler, over to American shores to continue similar research for the U.S. military as a specialist in zoonotic disease who studied in America at the Rockefeller Institute before World War II, and then in Germany, he was a top SS officer conducting biowarfare research, when he came to America he was working for the Army's joint lab at Plum Island conducting bioweapons research in the guise of Animal Disease Research under the Department of Agriculture. He was offered a chance to stay in America before World War II began, but chose to return citing his loyalty to the Nazi Party. (FOIA Files on Erich Traub)



Dr. Traub was not a low-level Nazi player by any means, but in fact, he was a high-ranking SS officer during Nazi Germany. To illustrate his place in the hierarchy- Adolf Hitler was the party leader. Under Hitler, Heinrich Himmler headed the SS. Among several under Himmler in, there was Reich Health Leader Leonardo Conti, and under him, Kurt Blome was the head of the Nazi's Biowarfare program. Under Blome, was Erich Traub- 4th in the chain-of-command to Hitler.



In Annie Jacobson's Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program that Brought Nazi Scientists to America, Dr. Traub is described as a rather hostile, unfriendly individual who enjoyed being cruel to animals:


"...Dr. Little, described Traub as a "domineering German and a surly type of individual with a violent temper." Another colleague, Dr. John Nelson found that despite long training in the care of animals, [Traub] went out of his way to be cruel to animals."


Traub was also part of an FBI investigation in 1942 where there were large 1000 gallon gas tanks being installed underground on a farm residence next to Frank DuPont. A man said to be a Dr. Eugene Traub from New York. But there is a possibility this may have actually been Erich Traub, since he did work with animals and the USDA, studied at the Rockefeller institute, would have probably known Frank DuPont, and possibly had a summer home in America even while working for the Nazis, as they welcomed him before and after the war.



His wife Blanka Traub was granted citizenship in the early 1950's


In John Loftus’ America’s Nazi Secret, this former DOJ Special Investigator found files on Erich Traub that show he was engaged in using ticks as a medium to spread disease:



“Even more disturbing are the records of the Nazi germ warfare scientists who came to America. They experimented with poison ticks dropped from planes to spread rare diseases. I received some information suggesting that the U.S. tested some of these poison ticks on the Plum Island artillery range off the coast of Connecticut during the early 1950’s. I explored the old spies’ hypothesis that the poison ticks were the source of the Lyme Disease spirochetes, and that migrating waterfowl were the vectors that carried the ticks from Plum Island all up and down the Eastern Seaboard. Most of the germ warfare records have been shredded, but there is a top-secret U.S. document confirming that “clandestine attacks on crops and animals” took place at this time. The Lyme Disease outbreak in America was monitored secretly under the cover of a New England health study.


Sooner or later the whole truth will come out, but probably not in my lifetime. Years from now historians will have to put the secret files into context of events, a job akin to pasting dead leaves back on a tree in the right order…”


In Michael Carroll’s Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government’s Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory he details some of the tests going on around the United States and may give a clue as to what Erich Traub was doing on Plum Island:



“At least six outdoor stockyard tests occurred in 1964-65. Stimulants were sprayed into stockyards in Fort Worth, Kansas City, St. Paul, Sioux Falls, and Omaha in tests determining how much foot-and-mouth disease virus would be required to destroy the food supply.


Had the Army commandeered Plum Island for an outdoor trial? Maybe the USDA lent a hand with the trial, as it had done out west by furnishing the large test fields. After all, the Plum Island agreement between the Army and the USDA allowed the Army to borrow the island from the USDA when necessary and in the national interest. Traub might have monitored the tests. A source who worked on Plum Island recalls that animal handlers and a scientist released ticks outdoors on the island. “They called him the Nazi scientist, when they came in, in 1951-they were inoculating these ticks” and a picture he once saw “shows the animal handler pointing to the area on Plum Island where they released the ticks.”

http://operationopenscript.webstarts....

[James, Group Founder]

1951 - Dr. Erich Traub and his assistant Anne Burger begin work for the Navy at the Naval Medical Research Institute laboratory in Bethesda, MD. Traub was given the task of experimentation on animals to determine the lethal doses of forty dangerous viruses.**

[Colin]

James wrote: "Good articles and references, Sinsational.
I wouldn't say we have proof he lived, but evidence is increasing to indicate he might have.
Always gotta play "Devil's Advocate" in all directions ;)

[b..."

Absolute rubbish, anyone believing Hitler escaped Berlin also waits for the next Elvis entrance

[Colin]

James wrote: "You mean you knew some of these Paperclip Nazis personally, Colin?"

I knew a few, not really well, but interesting people nonetheless, good interviews.

[David]

Colin is dead on spot. Hitler died in Berlin, Elvis ain't coming back and we made it to the Moon. Sheesh

[James, Group Founder]

David wrote: "Colin is dead on spot. Hitler died in Berlin, Elvis ain't coming back and we made it to the Moon. Sheesh"

I always find it quite curious and revealing when people react to bringing up a subject as a mere question (e.g. is there any chance Hitler survived WW2?), as opposed to tinfoil hat style assured comments like "Hitler DEFINITELY survived WW2", and compare such questioning to stating Elvis is alive and well. Especially when we now have declassified documents recently released that show the CIA themselves didn't find it ridiculous at all to discuss the idea of Hitler potentially still being alive in South America in the 1950s due to reports from a trusted CIA asset based there...which certainly isn't proof by any stretch, of course, but the subject of Hitler potentially surviving was recently reported/debated in various mainstream media outlets such as the NY Times and The Independent in the UK.

Remember guys, the same closed minds would have also mocked you or called you crazy in the 70s-90s (before the NSA admitted it themselves in a declassified file in the early 2000s) if you even remotely brought up the idea that the Vietnam War was possibly engineered unnaturally based on a pure military fabrication (which it was -- The Gulf of Tonkin Incident). Similar mockeries occurred with many other proposed conspiracies that turned out to be factual (e.g. MK-Ultra, Operation Northwoods, Operation Mockingbird, etc, etc, and even Operation Paperclip itself).

Yes, granted 95% of conspiracy theories are BS. And therefore, yes one needs to have their BS detector on at all times. But (and here's the twist), it's also a fine line in going beyond skepticism into closed minded (irrational) cynicism, especially as the other 5% of such theories turn out to be conspiracy FACTS.

The Establishment/Elite or powers that be are relying on, or hoping, most people will maintain cynicism instead of rational skepticism. That cynicism in the mass populace to dismiss anything unusual (before all the facts are in) is in my opinion the last thing that remains to prevent people power rising and claiming greater rights and justice for all...

[David]

closed mind? or perhaps more proof needed in some of the conspiracy theories I have seen. I do agree that all governments and most people "shade" the truth. The three I mentioned I remain convinced that no proof exists.

[James, Group Founder]

David wrote: "closed mind? or perhaps more proof needed in some of the conspiracy theories I have seen. I do agree that all governments and most people "shade" the truth. The three I mentioned I remain convinced..."

I share your belief, Dave, that we should not believe any old theory until proven (that's gullibility/naivety based on a lack of skepticism). But disbelieving before proof is an equal problem (that's where healthy skepticism devolves into cynicism and that's when formerly open minds become closed).

Presenting an idea to discuss (and never presenting it as a fact until something is proven, but merely asking questions in order to discuss them), is vastly different and actually the antithesis from saying something like "Trust me, Elvis is STILL alive". The former approach allows, and even encourages skepticism, whereas the latter approach (i.e. when every conspiracy theory is always presented as factual) allows for no skepticism or counter arguments and therefore is illogical BS.

So, if you think about it... IF reporting in this group on the recent CIA declassified documents (that believe it or not do reveal in the 1950s the CIA did actually discuss the idea of going to South America to check out the reports of a man that trusted CIA assets in Latin America said was Hitler), and the recent mainstream media news reports that followed, had all been presented as if completely factual, then your reaction would of course be 100% spot on.

But it wasn't done in that way at all...Certainly not by myself when I simply posted all the links to the CIA documents as well as the mainstream media reports. And I didn't notice anyone else in this group state Hitler DEFINITELY survived.

If nobody ever asked questions, including important investigative journalists and independent researchers like Frank Church of the Church Committee of the 1970s, or else backed down anytime public mockeries were made of their mere "theories", would we today even know about incredibly important historical injustices and real/factual conspiracies such as Tuskegee, MK-Ultra, Operation Northwoods, Operation Mockingbird? And would we even be having a discussion in this group within a thread titled Operation Paperclip / Project Paperclip declassified (The U.S./Nazi post-WW2 collaboration)?? Or would we instead be just like sheep trusting every official story and everything our governments/militaries/intel. agencies do on our behalf??

[David]

not sheep. However, I feel we need to look at sources before we make decisions. I feel that the statements made about Hitler by his surviving staff, the Russians and the allies at Nuremberg show he died in the bunker.

[James, Group Founder]

You could easily be right about all that, Dave.
And I am with you that one should never be even considering making any decisions until all the evidence is in.

[Lance, Group Founder]

David wrote: "Colin is dead on spot. Hitler died in Berlin, Elvis ain't coming back and we made it to the Moon. Sheesh"

David - I suspect you're (probably) right about Hitler, but I heard Elvis has just left the building so I guess he could still pop up somewhere. Oh and I seem to recall NASA admitted (Reuters, July 16, 2009) that all its Moon landing tapes got erased, which is kinda unbelievable huh?

[Jim]

I regard the Hitler thing as undetermined and it will probably stay that way. Any definitive evidence is likely long gone.

[David]

Well, I least I stirred the pot. Here is a conspiracy theory we need to examine in detail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Jo...

[James, Group Founder]

Jim wrote: "I regard the Hitler thing as undetermined."

Ditto.
And it seems the CIA of the 1950's believed his reported death was undetermined also.

[James, Group Founder]

I tell ya, I tell ya, there's much more to Operation Paperclip than we have been told...But as Shakespeare wrote in The Merchant of Venice, "at the length truth will out"...

CIA’s Denial of Protecting Nazis is Blatant Lie - Part 1
by Hank P. Albarelli Jr. http://www.voltairenet.org/article167...

"Leaks or revelations are often more compelling because of what they don’t reveal. Through Operation Paperclip, the U.S. organized a monumental transfer of black technology by actively recruiting Nazi criminals for employment by U.S. intelligence. Author H. P. Albarelli excavates the part that was missing from the recently-outed official report: the U.S. pointedly chose fervent Nazi scientists with experience in chemical, biological and radioactive warfare to become the architects of the CIA’s darkest military experiments with human guinea pigs, reminiscent of Nazi Germany."

Full article here: http://www.voltairenet.org/article167...


CIA Denial of Coddling Nazis Far From the Truth - Part 2
by Hank P. Albarelli Jr. http://www.voltairenet.org/article168...

"In the second part of his investigation, Hank Albarelli peels off another layer of the ongoing Operation Paperclip cover up and unveils one of its darker legacies. Working with Paperclip Nazi scientists and building on the results of their often deadly research, the CIA tested LSD psychoactive drugs on almost 7,000 unwitting U.S. citizens over a 20-year period. Those LSD experiments, and Paperclip itself, were among the first manifestations of what became a guiding principle of the Cold War right to the present day, that the ends justify the means."

Full article: http://www.voltairenet.org/article168...

[James, Group Founder]

Thanks to long time Undergrounder The Elk for putting me on to this new book...

Our Germans: Project Paperclip and the National Security State

Project Paperclip brought hundreds of German scientists and engineers, including aerospace engineer Wernher von Braun, to the United States in the first decade after World War II. More than the freighters full of equipment or the documents recovered from caves and hastily abandoned warehouses, the German brains who designed and built the V-2 rocket and other "wonder weapons" for the Third Reich proved invaluable to America’s emerging military-industrial complex. Whether they remained under military employment, transitioned to civilian agencies like NASA, or sought more lucrative careers with corporations flush with government contracts, German specialists recruited into the Paperclip program assumed enormously influential positions within the labyrinthine national security state.

Drawing on recently declassified documents from intelligence agencies, the Department of Defense, the FBI, and the State Department, Brian Crim’s Our Germans examines the process of integrating German scientists into a national security state dominated by the armed services and defense industries. Crim explains how the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency enticed targeted scientists, whitewashed the records of Nazis and war criminals, and deceived government agencies about the content of security investigations. Exploring the vicious bureaucratic rivalries that erupted over the wisdom, efficacy, and morality of pursuing Paperclip, Our Germans reveals how some Paperclip proponents and scientists influenced the perception of the rival Soviet threat by volunteering inflated estimates of Russian intentions and technical capabilities.

As it describes the project’s embattled legacy, Our Germans reflects on the myriad ways that Paperclip has been remembered in culture and national memory. As this engaging book demonstrates, whether characterized as an expedient Cold War program born from military necessity or a dishonorable episode, the project ultimately reflects American ambivalence about the military-industrial complex and the viability of an "ends justifies the means" solution to external threats.

[James, Group Founder]

An offshoot of Paperclip was Operation TICOM:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TICOM

TICOM (Target Intelligence Committee) was a secret Allied project formed in World War II to find and seize German intelligence assets, particularly in the field of cryptology and signals intelligence.[1]

It operated alongside other Western Allied efforts to extract German scientific and technological information and personnel during and after the war, including Operation Paperclip (for rocketry), Operation Alsos (for nuclear information) and Operation Surgeon (for avionics). Competition with the Soviet Union for these same spoils of war was intense, with direct payoffs including missile technology that led both to a heightened Cold War stalemate and landing a man on the Moon.

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Origin of TICOM. http://www.ticomarchive.com/home/orig... However, a lesser-known operation, TICOM, which targeted the capture of German signals intelligence organizations remained top secret and to this day remains shrouded in mystery.

[James, Group Founder]

This documentary series on the History Channel might be worth checking out (no definitive proof here of course, but it's based off of the latest declassified documents and the evolving theory that Hitler was never captured)...

Hunting Hitler https://www.history.com/shows/hunting...
Television series (HISTORY channel)

According to documents that were declassified by the FBI in 2014, Adolf Hitler may have survived World War II and fled to South America following the fall of Nazi Germany. In this series a team of investigators -- led by 21-year CIA veteran Bob Baer and war crimes investigator John Cencich -- undertakes a definitive search with the goal of finding out whether the notorious dictator actually survived the war and pulled off one of history's greatest disappearing acts. The team uncovers a mysterious Nazi lair in the Argentinean jungle and searches for evidence of a missing U-boat that may have transported Hitler out of Europe as Germany collapsed.

[David]

Can't buy the Adolph made it to South America. The answer is his teeth: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...