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Should we be concerned about internet censorship? (1st Case Study: Alex Jones/Infowars... 2nd Case Study: Vaccine Critics... 3rd Case Study: Julian Assange/WikiLeaks... 4th Case Study: David Icke... 5th Case Study: Donald Trump)
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Sep 21, 2018 09:34PM
PayPal is cutting off Alex Jones and says it will no longer do business with InfoWars https://www.businessinsider.com.au/pa...
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If Paypal can afford to lose the business Alex Jones, his show, and his site generate, then maybe the takeaway is that Alex Jones is not making as much money as one might think...
J.J. wrote: "If Paypal can afford to lose the business Alex Jones, his show, and his site generate, then maybe the takeaway is that Alex Jones is not making as much money as one might think..."Or...that whoever Paypal and other Big Tech Silicon Valley corporations are ultimately aligning with (directly and indirectly, officially and unofficially) is so profitable they will do whatever it takes to keep their mysterious bedfellows happy...Even if it means sometimes employing Stasi-like measures to control what's allowed to be said, or even who is allowed to "exist" in the digital mainstream...
Here's where I'm starting to have a problem. It's one thing when YouTube and Facebook said take your nonsense somewhere else. Cutting off his ability to receive money through Pay Pal should not be because of his content. I could see them citing his scammy supplement sales but they'd have to cut off a lot more sites if that were the case.I know there are other options for moving money electronically but PayPal is the one everybody is used to using.
It seems to be more about what's happening on a social level.....all these social sites are banning him one after the other.....if PayPal had problems with his material (they banned WikiLeaks, neo-nazi and other right-winged media earlier), you'd think they would have done it on their own accord a long time ago....it's not like Jones' material changed....and I'm sure PayPal was not in the dark of who he was until now.
Well, there is always Spencer Karter!Meanwhile, this is totally unrelated to this thread, but I just saw Russia's communist party is gaining in popularity again... https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russi...
Glad you resonate with Jordan B. Peterson by the way, Iain, as it confirms my sense about the guy...I feel he is almost a lone voice in the wilderness clearly explaining some of the Politically Correct insanity (and hysteria) we are dealing with in the modern climate...And by the way, Jordan has stood up to fascism and the Far Right in his books and public lectures for decades before he became famous -- so it's ironic he's being now called a Far Right extremist and being singled out by Radical Leftists as the #1 enemy of our freedoms...He's actually a centrist (I don't even think Canada has much of a Right wing force, certainly nothing like in the US or Europe) and is simply warning against extremism on either end of political spectrum...
But where he kinda woke me up is he said we have a clear name (fascism) and definition of the Far Right, but that we don't have (at least not in modern culture) a clear definition of what it means to go too far Left...nor do we recognize the dangers of that and how radicalism on the Left can mirror fascism...
So that dovetails in with your comment "Some of these fake Social Justice Warriors haven't a clue what Communism actually entails, they think it's some sort of 'bubble wrap' sharing is caring crap"
Yes, they need a history lesson, indeed.
And just like Jordan, I'm certainly not denying that Far Right haters are not growing in numbers simultaneously...It's getting really dangerous at both ends of the political spectrum...Both sides are actually furthering each other to go more and more extreme as they all believe they are defending important values.
Bringing this thread back on track a little, all James Woods needs to do is delete a single Tweet and Twitter will fully reinstate his account, but he's refusing to do that as a matter of principle. I like his stance, even tho I may not agree with his political views overall...This growing freedom of speech problem is more important than partisan politics or personal preferences as in time we could all lose our freedom to speak our minds without reprisals...James Woods Says He Won’t Delete Meme Post From Twitter https://www.theepochtimes.com/james-w...
“Free speech is free speech—it’s not Jack Dorsey’s version of free speech,” Woods said, referring to Twitter’s CEO.p.s. I am not naive to the fact that James Woods is trying to use what's happening to him to promote his conservative Right Wing ideologies (just like Alex Jones is), but I think this whole censorship thing supersedes political persuasions. Both Woods and Jones have valid points and were they on the other side of the political equation they'd be no less valid.
We currently have a group poll running that loosely relates to this discussion. The poll asks the following question: What is a bigger threat to society: Inequality (whether caused by sexism, racism or other discrimination) OR Political Correctness (e.g. censorship, language controls, anti-freedom of speech regulations etc, that aim to prevent inequalities)?
Vote and have your say here: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
This news story kinda interrelates to the power of the Silicon Valley internet giants and even to people being banned for political reasons or PC culture...Internet inventor Berners-Lee to battle Google, Facebook with new web platform https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/11/i...
Infowars' Alex Jones slams Google CEO Pichai outside a congressional hearing for its 'evil' China project https://www.businessinsider.com/alex-...-Jones, the founder of Infowars, accused Pichai and Google of making "censorship systems" for China's Communist Party, which he alleged "killed five times what Hitler did."
-Read a full report of the hearing, which focused on reports that Google plans to reenter the Chinese market with a heavily censored search engine known as Dragonfly.
-The Intercept reported in August that Pichai met with a Chinese government official in December 2017 to discuss the project. On Tuesday, Pichai denied that he had.
-The Intercept said Dragonfly would "blacklist websites and search terms about human rights, democracy, religion, and peaceful protest."
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” -George Orwell, 1984YouTube to stop promoting conspiracy theory videos https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/l...
"For example, those wanting to search for a 9/11 video will have to scroll a long way before you find a clip claiming the attacks were an inside job."
Four Reasons Deplatforming Controversial Figures Is a Terrible Idea https://pjmedia.com/trending/4-reason...Deplatforming Is a Dangerous Game https://reason.com/archives/2019/01/2...
Paying customers may be the next targets for social media "deplatforming."
Anti-vaccine movies disappear from Amazon after CNN Business report https://www.wtva.com/content/news/506...
Hahaha! The reasons Twitter gives in this video for banning Alex are a complete joke...They were obviously pressured from whoever's in the upper echelons of Big Tech and searched far and wide to find reasons to ban him (like all the other social media giants did)...Why Alex Jones Was Banned from Twitter | JRE Twitter Special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-6n4...
Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Amazon and Facebook https://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...
Is President Trump finally tackling online censorship? Apparently this meeting with Google was unscheduled...TRUMP MEETS WITH GOOGLE’S PICHAI TO TALK ABOUT “POLITICAL FAIRNESS” https://www.infowars.com/trump-meets-...
President Trump just met with Google’s CEO Sundar Pichai to discuss the company’s dealings with China as well as “political fairness,” which suggests the president brought up online censorship.
Something from last year about Google and Facebook censorship. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018...
This is very real. These large companies are acting on behalf of the US State and actively censoring the internet.
The Democratic Party has been very active in promoting internet censorship as part of its bogus allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 election and its promotion of anti-Russia hysteria and militarism. Democratic Party politicians like Adam Schiff have sought to blame all social opposition on Russian interference. It is a new McCarthyism.
John Pilger on Julian Assange: "The Freedom of Debate Has Diminished" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHgv...
An old news report (but perhaps pertinent in hindsight considering the recent arrest of Julian Assange):WikiLeaks defends InfoWars as a 'state power critique' after it's banned from multiple platforms, including Facebook https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wi...
Isn’t it supposed to all just be a plot for more red meat, as a commodity, since they’d rather not, out of selfishness, leave a world for their children (unless they can develop VR super quantum computer technology to “live forever” or cryogenics to be preserved until a future time)? They want to experience it their self, and if they can’t, would rather ruin it for everyone, or just implement virtual reality technology so they can fulfill their desire that way.
Mark wrote: "Isn’t it supposed to all just be a plot for more red meat, as a commodity, since they’d rather not, out of selfishness, leave a world for their children (unless they can develop VR super quantum co..."I only understood the first and last word of that :)
1. Alex Jones' Paul Joseph Watson started an "anti-censorship" petition shortly before they started deplatforming Jones. However, it didn't really oppose censorship: PJW falsely pretended only "alternative voices" are censored. On InfoWars & elsewhere, they falsely pretend only conservatives & libertarians are censored. Not only do they not really oppose censorship, they help the censors by marginalizing the opposition to censorship. What's hilarious is they did this for business reasons: they thought being censored would bring in more readers. Defend AJ's right to speak, just don't enable him helping the censors.2. Many progressives would shut down Fox if they could. Likewise, many cons - especially Trump & his base - would shut down CNN if they could.
3. See the real, reproducible data I've compiled on how heavily Twitter censors *all* kinds of users (except blue check marks): https://github.com/TolstoyDotCom/more...
Beyond Censorship: Destroying Free Thought Online https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLAHk...The Myth of the Unbiased Search Engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15b7...
James, don't tell me you actually thought Google was providing totally unbiased information? What I have found is if you want to know the properties of a chemical, say, what Google gives is a couple of pages of "Buy it from me!" Mixed up with what follows is just about anything but what I actually asked for the next couple of pages. What is depressing is that a few years ago it was better. They make more money by offering worse service, which is depressing.
Iain wrote: "Iain wrote: "Ian wrote: "James, don't tell me you actually thought Google was providing totally unbiased information? What I have found is if you want to know the properties of a chemical, say, wha..."The Russians should make more effort on Yandex. That would really annoy the Americans - Russian interference would be the theme as opposed to fair competition :-)
BANNED ON LINKEDIN - Now I Need You #LondonRealArmy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJg-...London Real website suffers attack, suspended from LinkedIn after David Icke interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJg-...
The consequences of daring to air the interview are mounting.
ALEX JONES: INFOWARS - HOW TO SURVIVE BEING BANNED ON SOCIAL MEDIA & OUR NEW COVID-19 WORLD REALITY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIVs...
David Icke page removed from Facebook over coronavirus theories https://www.impartialreporter.com/new...A page belonging to David Icke has been removed from Facebook amid concerns about the peddling of dangerous conspiracy theories around coronavirus.
The former footballer’s page had more than 770,000 followers on the platform, but a secondary account with some 68,000 followers remains active.
Among Icke’s most controversial claims is the unproven suggestion that 5G is linked to the Covid-19 outbreak
James wrote: "Will Amazon ban the Bible next? https://www.christianpost.com/voice/w..."First time I read about this Doctor. Therapies may create unnecessary traumas. That's why Psychology disrupts into the practice of invasive ways that are always experimental, they may change the anesthesia of patrons. But are just a bunch of unfounded rules that misunderstood conducts away from a certain meaning. That's why they need to take advantage of the opposite rule by conversion passage.
Further to Facebook, YouTube has now completely banned David Icke:DAVID ICKE BANNED FROM YOUTUBE, FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS DYING WILL YOU STEP UP & FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdot9...
https://twitter.com/CCDHate/status/12... Check out that tweet - see how anonymous accounts/groups like that could be backed by financial and political interests? Also, calling Icke's theories "hate theories" is BS...You don't have to agree with much, or even anything Icke says, but if you don't see he's obviously struck a nerve and is a threat to some sort of future agenda, you might wanna think again on that
Oh look, more internet censorship by Big Tech...Commentator Candace Owens says her Twitter account was suspended following tweet about Whitmer
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...
David Icke is a grifter so I don't have a problem with him getting kicked off FB and YouTube. I'll save my tears for someone who is actually saying something true.
Following ROSE / ICKE III (THE BIGGEST LIVESTREAM OF A CONVERSATION IN HUMAN HISTORY which over a million people watched live https://www.bitchute.com/video/DClyWo...), David Icke has now been...BANNED From EVERY PLATFORM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvh_a...
The Inevitable Coronavirus Censorship Crisis is Here https://taibbi.substack.com/p/tempora...As the Covid-19 crisis progresses, censorship programs advance, amid calls for China-style control of the Internet
Earlier this week, Atlantic magazine – fast becoming the favored media outlet for self-styled intellectual elites of the Aspen Institute type – ran an in-depth article of the problems free speech poses to American society in the coronavirus era. The headline:
Internet Speech Will Never Go Back to Normal
In the debate over freedom versus control of the global network, China was largely correct, and the U.S. was wrong.
Authored by a pair of law professors from Harvard and the University of Arizona, Jack Goldsmith and Andrew Keane Woods, the piece argued that the American and Chinese approaches to monitoring the Internet were already not that dissimilar:
Constitutional and cultural differences mean that the private sector, rather than the federal and state governments, currently takes the lead in these practices… But the trend toward greater surveillance and speech control here, and toward the growing involvement of government, is undeniable and likely inexorable.
They went on to list all the reasons that, given that we’re already on an “inexorable” path to censorship, a Chinese-style system of speech control may not be such a bad thing. In fact, they argued, a benefit of the coronavirus was that it was waking us up to “how technical wizardry, data centralization, and private-public collaboration can do enormous public good.”
Perhaps, they posited, Americans could be moved to reconsider their “understanding” of the First and Fourth Amendments, as “the harms from digital speech” continue to grow, and “the social costs of a relatively open Internet multiply.”
Trump signs social media executive order that calls for removal of liability protections over 'censoring' https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trum...Flanked by Attorney General Bill Barr, President Trump signed an executive order in the Oval Office on Thursday that interprets Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (CDA) as not providing statutory liability protections for tech companies that engage in censorship and political conduct.
The president's order, which also cuts federal funding for social media platforms that censor users' political views, came just two days after Twitter took the unprecedented step of slapping a "misleading" warning label on two of Trump's tweets concerning the fraud risks of nationwide mail-in balloting. The move immediately backfired: Experts disputed that Trump's tweet was actually misleading, in part because mail-in balloting has been linked to ongoing fraud; Twitter's fact-check itself contained false statements; and Twitter failed to apply the standard of review to other users.
Donald Trump calls Minneapolis protesters 'thugs' and threatens to shoot looters https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald...Twitter have placed a public interest notice on a tweet by US President Donald Trump for "glorifying violence".
As riots rage in Minneapolis over the death in custody of black man George Floyd, President Trump called the protesters "thugs" and insinuated that looters would be shot in a series of tweets he posted a short time ago.
In the tweets, President Trump threatened to bring in the National Guard to "get the job done right".
Trump to sign executive order on social media after Twitter's fact check warning
On May 28, US President Donald Trump made it known he would sign an executive order on social media companies. The feud with Twitter started when Trump threatened to shut down the platform he accused of stifling conservative voices.
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Twitter is doing nothing about all of the lies & propaganda being put out by China or the Radical Left Democrat Party. They have targeted Republicans, Conservatives & the President of the United States. Section 230 should be revoked by Congress. Until then, it will be regulated!
ROSE / ICKE IV https://freedomplatform.londonreal.tv...WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED
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June 14, 2020
David Icke Reveals the Truth
A small handful of social media monopolies control everything that we say and that we see.
Over the last 2 months we have seen a disproportionate amount of censorship and have interviewed countless people who have also been shut down by these trillion dollar behemoths.
Please give me a break! The USA is jonesing for a war against Asians, China in particular. So Twitter pro-China? Not a chance
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