Is it right for a christian to punish a woman who chose to abort her baby?

[Ned]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

[Robert]

Ned - well, finally - a statement we can agree upon. And from those beginnings the Lord expects us to use our God given talents to spread the message of Jesus worldwide through our actions. That's Jesus - not Moses, not Solomon, not the Law, but the promise of repentance, forgiveness, and salvation through the Blood of the Lamb. Putting undo OT restraints on potential Believers thwarts the spread of Christianity, not promotes it.

[Ned]

Heresy 101:

What is antinomianism?

What is Marcionism?

[Rod]

It's interesting, because I see all the claims of Jesus as no less miraculous and over the top as those of Moses and Elijah, or Noah and Abraham. If I doubt one then I easily doubt them all.
Consistency is what logically applies. The same goes for science and a clearly revealed God that we should fear.

I mock other religions AND atheism for not being consistent. I don't comprehend how your adult brain works Robert.

[Robert]

Rod - yes, I suppose one who operates on blind faith would have difficulty with one who needs to prove things for a living - not just make exorbitant, unsubstantiated claims.

[Ned]

You're trying to reconcile two different worldviews, Robert, and it isn't working. Knowledge without God is impossible. You either must appeal to a higher authority than yourself for knowledge of truth, or make yourself your own autonomous judge. You can't do both. To do the latter is to deny to former. It's pure hubris.

[Rod]

Blind faith is strange choice of words.

Believing avacodos rule the universe would require blind faith. But we have a fully revealed Word of God that heavily involves every aspect of human existence and reality. Love and meaning, good and evil. Consciousness and morality.

[Ned]

“…Rather, all knowledge is provisional, conjectural, hypothetical—we can never finally prove our scientific theories, we can merely (provisionally) confirm or (conclusively) refute them; hence at any given time we have to choose between the potentially infinite number of theories which will explain the set of phenomena under investigation.” Karl Popper

Under such a system, obviously humanistic, there is no bedrock and no appeal to anything outside the reason of groups of humans, which reason may be rejected by other particular humans, and so on ad infinitum. This provisional, wishy-washy, character leads to ultimate absurdity. It really amounts to a lifetime investment in ignorance. No way around it.

[Robert]

Rod, Ned - excuse me, but I've said on multiple occasions that God created the things that scientists discover. His truths are our truths, but they are uncovered slowly and sequentially. Biblical authors knew nothing of many of the natural laws we take for granted today. I would posit that neither of you are even searching for God's truth because you are at the threshold of nothing. You're still engaging in 3000 year old fights when His power and majesty are revealed in present revelations. Most of those are of a highly technical nature, though, and because you haven't taken the time or effort to pursue these avenues you remain ignorant of their significance.

[Rod]

And you've read HOW MUCH Creation Science literature??? Actual science from a Christian Biblical point of view.

And you claim WE aren't looking carefully for truth. That's funny. That's like ignoring the Disciples because the Pharisees obviously have all of the answers traditionally.

[Robert]

Rod - there is no such thing as creation science. Creating muscle, blood, bone, and tissue out of clay may be possible for an all-powerful God, but there's nothing scientific about it. I can't seem to duplicate that in my lab!

[Rod]

There's A LOT you can't duplicate in a lab.

[Robert]

Fine, Rod, duplicate it any place you wish - I'm open! (Better call in Cecile B. Demille!)

[Robert]

Jonathan S. - you prefer to call discussions on this board "tangled". That's fine - we all possess imperfect knowledge and stumble over our thoughts occasionally. When dealing in my principal field, genetics, however, I find both a straightforward code and an exceedingly "tangled" pathway. All fields I've explored show a similar pattern. Answers to difficult question don't present themselves in strict black and white terms very often.

[Rod]

Perfectly Good with infanticide???

Sin brought that about. Not perfect Goodness. Perfect justice perhaps-- but justice is seldom Goodness.?its reactionary to EVIL

[Rod]

We have to ask the question:

WHY did God kill, or allow Evil/Sin/Death etc to take the life of David's child. Did God throw a hissy-fit? Or keep His promise from Genesis and the Garden? Was He protecting the future (as He did with the tower of Babel?), Is taking the child to Heaven really a bad thing? Depends.

I would say that God removing life isn't good or evil. It's just His sovereign right as a deity over His creation. Similar to you building a robot and turning it on or off.
But if the creator says that for a Robot to turn another robot off or on is good or evil -- then so be it. We lack wisdom and knowledge.

But for US HUMANS to lose life is always bad. Life is everything we know and cherish. We can't just kill ourselves assuming we have full knowledge and understanding. Too many variables (quickly sending someone to Hell perhaps?).

Jesus Died for our eternal life: and yet Mother's now kill their own children for their current situation. We should always do like David did ---- put it in God's hands. Not TAKE IT in our own murderous hands.

Should we punish women who ONCE chose abortion? Not unless we choose to also punish ALL OF OUR MURDEROUS choices as well. The trick is to stop the crime BEFORE it happens - after is too late.

[Rod]

When you are asked to vote on this issue: that is your judging. And your responsibility. God's word isn't shy on these issues.

If it doesn't come up. Fight the battle that does. Biblically

We shouldn't expect the secular world to agree.