3rd Match: Slytherin vs Hufflepuff

[Cat]

Tea's reaction involve coffee spat out onto the computer screen?!

[Eldarwen]

Slytherin Beater

Tea is up in the air, defending Kathleen with some impressive flying.

Reading: A July Bride (same book)

[Cat]

Thwack!
Cat attacked Kath(leen) in chain 15 with same book A July Bride

Edit to fix link

[Cat]

Eeeeee! I've wanted to read this for a while! For Quidditch it's even better!
Going after Kathleen again withMy Lady Jane

Not so much. Coffee will get brain in gear...

[Cat]

My kindle battery is draining SO quickly!

[Eldarwen]

Cat wrote: "My kindle battery is draining SO quickly!"

No wonder! You've been reading constantly for the past 5 days!

[❀Tea❀]

Cat wrote: "Eeeeee! I've wanted to read this for a while! For Quidditch it's even better!
Going after Kathleen again withMy Lady Jane"

And again you are attacking person on the ground

[Cat]

Too excitable! A book I wanted to read!

Sorry. I'll go attack someone else. Luckily I was making coffee & downloaded so not actually started it yet...

Who can I attack?!

[Eldarwen]

How about that Gryffindor over there? Nice red shirts, easy to spot ;-)

[Eldarwen]

Slytherin Beater

Kathleen has been saved before anything bad could happen.

Tea finished: A July Bride (same book)

[Cat]

OK, if I can't attack a player on the ground I can at least attack Jenny, sending a second bludger after her.

Going against her in chain 17: she read A July Bride, I'm going to read A December Bride, same length, Bride word.

That's all the chain 17 books attacked, only chain. 16 & 18 unattacked

[Karishma]

Karishma completes her attack on Jenny by completing The Mad Earl's Bride

[Eldarwen]

Ok, sorry for not pointing this out earlier but I had my nose in a book and then checked with Tea. But: Karishma attacked Jenny, and that attack has now been successful.

Technically, Cat, you shouldn't be attacking Jenny since she was already a target? (and is now a downed player)

[Cat]

Really? But in the books both bludgers are frequently sent at the same chaser?

It seems reasonable to me to duplicate that in the reading version?

[❀Tea❀]

We are just going by assumption that if chaser needs to stop reading when knocked off the broom until it's read back, it would apply in this case too.
You did start your attack while Jenny was still in the game, but now she's knocked off. And if the chain was still active, she'd have to pause reading. And since she's off the broom at the moment, in theory you are attacking player who's on the ground.

I'm not saying you can't attack player at the same time. I don't think we'd ever discussed that. I'm just trying to figure out how this would work.


edit:
If you think that doesn't apply, fine. As I said, there isn't a rule about it, it's just out thinking how it should work in this case.

[Cat]

And the rules don’t prevent either...

They say:
Beater attack: can be any book read or currently being read within a QUAFFLE round. (meaning from the time a QUAFFLE is read till the time it is broken)

And the reward for success is to stay out for a score /until rescued

I assumed that two hits would mean stay out two scores / both books rescued.

[Cat]

We agree that , provided the chaser isn’t already grounded, they can be subject of multiple attacks (assuming the book is available to be attacked), and that each attack must be defended against?

Of course, each chaser book can only be attacked once, and it has to be within a quaffle round?

Thanks!

[Eldarwen]

Mmhh, guess it could work that way as well. (Something else for mods to consider clarifying if they ever want to play Quidditch again ;-))

Alright, so two bludgers on Jenny - one already connected, one probably about to.

Meaning two books need to be read to get her back on track.

[❀Tea❀]

I didn't say you both can't attack her at the same time.

As I said, I'm just trying to figure out how it works.

Chaser has to stop reading when knocked off the broom until it's read back in the game, right.

So why wouldn't same thing count for second beater attacking that chaser? Pause reading until chaser is back in the game?

[❀Tea❀]

Cat wrote: "We agree that , provided the chaser isn’t already grounded, they can be subject of multiple attacks (assuming the book is available to be attacked), and that each attack must be defended against?

..."

Yes to that part. It was never said same chaser can't be attacked at the same time with different books. As far as I know.

[❀Tea❀]

What we need to agree right now is what happens with second attack after first one is finished :)

[Karishma]

Hufflepuff Beater Karishma buys the stupid book and attacks Kathleen in Chain 16 with the same book A June Bride

Edit: Chain 16 (As Specified by Cat)

[Cat]

❀Tea❀ wrote: "What we need to agree right now is what happens with second attack after first one is finished :)"

Well, my vote is to let the attack go on as normal. ;-P

Because it’s easier. Both defenders can read at the same time too.

[Eldarwen]

Slytherin Beater

Tea goes after Karishma to prevent her from attacking Kathleen.

Reading: A January Bride

[Cat]

Karishma wrote: "Hufflepuff Beater Karishma buys the stupid book and attacks Kathleen in Chain 15 with the same book A June Bride"

Or possibly chain 16 with matching page count & word?

We are bamboozled by the brides, ysee

[Cat]

Also, Hufflepuffs: always finding new quirks to the game!

[❀Tea❀]

Cat wrote: "❀Tea❀ wrote: "What we need to agree right now is what happens with second attack after first one is finished :)"

Well, my vote is to let the attack go on as normal. ;-P

Because it’s easier. Both ..."

Would it surprise you that we don't agree with your vote? :P

[Eldarwen]

If you look at it from a real game point of view, yes, two bludgers could connect with one target and drop a chaser to the ground. But the chaser would nevertheless only have to get up once to shake off both those attacks ;-)

[Cat]

Not in the least surprised, Tea!

However.... if The 2nd attack was suspended, does that mean the defending Beater would have to suspend too? It gets really awkward then in terms of timing &such
Iike (not to mention hideous potential strategies.... I could imagine trying to strategise a way to tie up both beaters with that)

What happens if the attackers decide to coordinate their posting?

At least if the attack carries on, the defense is straight forward too?
Maybe a 35min delay on attacking Beater starting their next attack if they hit a downed player?

I.e. if I hit Jenny now, she being unrescued on the mud, I have to wait before I can attack Kathleen?
Jenny still needs to sit out two scores / two rescues / combo.

Does that seem practical for both parties?

[Cat]

I’m going to post my completion now, and will wait 35mins before attacking Kathleen, so quick answer / counter proposal needed! ;P

A December Bride finished, attacking Jenny in chain 17
She rad A July Bride, my book matches Bride & length

[❀Tea❀]

I'm reading my book, and nobody else wants to make decision :)

How about we agree with this for this attack?
Since we were discussing it and all, and you finished your reading.

I'm fine with you waiting before next attack. But from now, if attacked player is knocked off, beater needs to pause same as chaser until chaser is back in the game?

[Karishma]

Hufflepuff Beater Karishma finishes attack on Kathleen with A June Bride

Edit: Added my name

[Karishma]

Hufflepuff Beater Karishma trains her sights on Laura next with A May Bride (same book) - Chain 16

[Cat]

❀Tea❀ wrote: "I'm reading my book, and nobody else wants to make decision :)

How about we agree with this for this attack?
Since we were discussing it and all, and you finished your reading.

I'm fine with you ..."

Ok!

Just chucking out some additional issues, on how that may affect defending beaters?
Can they read through - ie can read to defend against the paused book and the attacking book?

What if the beater reads the attacking book (paused by beater) rather than the original one? They’ll still have to rescue for the original too, yes? And that also means the paused attack is void, so that beater is free to make their next move?

[❀Tea❀]

How about:
You still can't attack knocked off player, so this goes for situations when both beaters attack player that is still in the game.
- when chaser is knocked off, beater needs to stop reading same as chaser until chaser is back in the game
- defending beaters can attack only active play - meaning they can't attack beater that is pausing
- in case defending beater starts attacking paused book (before it was paused) and that's only defense going on, they can finish that book, chaser is back in the game and attacking beater can continue reading. After that attack is done, chaser is back down, and defense needs to match first attack
- in case that both attacking beaters finish and post at the same or couple of minutes difference (5?), player can't be double knocked off, so defense can read only one book to get player in the game



Did I miss something?
Trying to defend and figure this out is tricky :P


Edit:
to make last one clear - there should be still pausing for second beater, but this is in case we are all eager to post as soon as possible and don't refresh on time

[❀Tea❀]

Or you know, we can go with: chaser can't be attacked at the same time :p

[Karishma]

Hufflepuff Beater Karishma knocks Laura off her broom by completing A May Bride (same book) - Chain 16

[Cat]

Knee jerk reaction is that the last point isn’t fair - the defense has known about the two attacks for at least half an hour, so it’s not a surprise to need to read two books to rescue the player, and then t just encourages the attackers to string it out longer.

For example, 3player chain 1 is announced,and two players are attacked & defended, goal. 3player chain 2 is started, the unattacked player is attacked against both chains. The attacking team finishes both books earlier than min time & announce Attack 1 completed, play on attack 2 (attack &defense) are suspended, defense of attack 1 is completed & immediately attack 2 completion is announced (because it had been banked). Not exactly fair on the defense?

[Cat]

❀Tea❀ wrote: "Or you know, we can go with: chaser can't be attacked at the same time :p"

Or we could go with time penalty on Beater who attacks when the chaser s on the ground ;-P

[Eldarwen]

Slytherin Beater

Tea deflects the attack on Kathleen.

Finished: A January Bride (matching word: bride)

[Cat]

And around all of that, I think we are at

Jenny doubly on the ground, needs two saves, no more attacks possible
Laura on the ground, needs one save, one attack possible after save
Kathleen paused waiting for Tea to stop sorting rules on the fly, & save her, reading again post save, one atttack possible (My Lady Jane)

K, is that right by your reckoning?

[Karishma]

Yes Cat!

[Judith]

Eldarwen wrote: "How about that Gryffindor over there? Nice red shirts, easy to spot ;-)"

Hey!!! Not nice :P We are having enough issues with the Ravenclaw beaters.

We don't need any extra Cat attacks. But if she comes over, I'll spray her with vanilla (this reference may never get old, and so many uses).

[Cat]

@Judith, d you not think that I would have come with preemptive chemiCal warfare, spraying vanilla at you in order to trigger a flight reaction?!

[Cat]

@Judith, d you not think that I would have come with preemptive chemiCal warfare, spraying vanilla at you in order to trigger a flight reaction?!

[Cat]

Tea, just thinking about how the attack on Kathleen should’ve gone, if I hadn’t been spooked by E’s shriek of no double attacks, based on the new guidelines...

Assume that she has one book from an earlier chain in the quaffle.
I attack her long book
Tea defends the long book
Karishma attacks the short book
Other beater (Louise, right?) awol
Karishma finishes her attack
Kathleen down, and all activity associated with her ceases, until Louise returns to rescue her from Karishma’s attack.
Meaning that Tea can’t work against any chains we put together, though nor can I.

Is that a scenario we are happy to risk? Or do the draft rules need tweaking?

[❀Tea❀]

Cat wrote: "Knee jerk reaction is that the last point isn’t fair - the defense has known about the two attacks for at least half an hour, so it’s not a surprise to need to read two books to rescue the player, ..."


Sorry, I had to read couple of times to figure out your play there :)

ok, I wasn't thinking it in that way.

I think we can both agree that if finished book posts happen as soon as time expires, then it means books were finished long before and only just waiting right time to post. So both attacks are valid and defense should go with two books.


What I was trying to avoid is for attacking beaters waiting on each other to finish reading and then post so they would avoid pausing time.


Do you have suggestion how to prevent that from happening? As that part wouldn't be fair to defending beaters or knocked of chaser?

[Cat]

I am very attached to the idea of a time penalty for the beater who completes the attack after the chaser is down.

I wouldn’t pause anything (except chaser reading) and it’s then up to the attacking team to decide if they want to take the penalty or wait and risk the defense voiding the attack.

Maybe 35mins is too short- make it an hour and it is more meaningful?

Let me get some coffee and puzzle through a few options.

[Cat]

I’m coming at it that mucking about with time is one of the best tactics available, so I want to allow both teams flexibility to decide how to do that. And that beaters, when both quaffles are active, are blue arsed flies without having to worry about pausing reading. Pausing chaser is easier, with the time difference between attack&rescue being added to min time (unless finished before the attack landed)

Sorry, I’m not making sense outside my head, so let me get coffee etc etc

[❀Tea❀]

Cat wrote: "Tea, just thinking about how the attack on Kathleen should’ve gone, if I hadn’t been spooked by E’s shriek of no double attacks, based on the new guidelines...

Assume that she has one book from an..."

That's what would happen? yes.
Do I want to risk it? No.
But right now I don't see how we could work it differently because I don't think it's fair that second beater can continue reading when chaser can't. Even if there is waiting time before next attack.