A vital question

[Hannah]

So I read an article recently that was basically being silly and pointing out problems with how the potter universe operates that wouldn't work well in or world when something came up. Fred and George re the original owners of the marauders map so they would have been aware as Harry was that Scabbers was not a rat but in fact Peter Pettigrew. Don't you think the twins would have thought it strange that a rat owned by Percy and then Ron being called Peter was a bit odd?

[[deleted user]]

I don't think I'm understanding your question correctly.

But the original owners of the map were the Marauders, not the twins.

[Line]

I think they never checked the map, in the same way Harry did. I believe Fred and George only checked the map, when they were out doing theirb miscievious deeds, and that they never had reason to check the younger boys dormitories (Why would they).
And even if they by chance happen to look in the younger boys sormitories, then why would they know, that there wasn't a boy named Peter?

Harry only takes a big interest in it, as he just found out, that Peter Pettigrew was supposed to be dead, and was a friend of his parents.

[Hannah]

Carrington wrote: "I don't think I'm understanding your question correctly.

But the original owners of the map were the Marauders, not the twins."

I meant after the marauders it was found by Fred and George Weasley

[Hannah]

But surely they would have recognized someone called pettigrew? It was in all the newspapers after his disappearance.

[[deleted user]]

Ah, gotcha. Though I'm not sure they were familiar with the name Pettigrew. It was in all the papers, but perhaps the adults chose not to discuss it with them.

And yes, I am of course just making this up as I go. :p This could legitimately be a plot hole that you've stumbled into.

[Line]

When Pettigrew 'died', Harry was one year old, so Fred and George would have been about 4-5 years old... So i doubt they remember the newspaper headlines from then...

[Kristen]

Yes, as was said already, the twins were not the original owners of the map, and I'm guessing they didn't pay attention to most of the hundreds of names on there. At any given time, assuming the rat was in the dorm, there could potentially be twenty or thirty other names in the same room.
All Fred and George were concerned about was who they were trying to avoid at the time.

[Grace]

They may not have met up with Pettigrew/Scabbards with the map open, therefore never made that connection. Because there were tons of names on that map, it wouldn't be so strange for that one to be there. As long as they didn't recognize the name, they would have no reason to be suspicious.

[K.L.]

Never considered that issue. I'm currently re-reading the series and finished up Prisoner just the other day. My issue with the book is that Harry couldn't have saved himself from the Dementors, not initially anyway. Someone else had to save him to ensure he survived long enough to reach the point where he went back in time. If he doesn't survive that attack the first time, he can't be alive to go back in time to save himself. Paradox. Still love the book, but time travel paradoxes always stick out at me. (much like Reese not being able to be John Connor's original father in Terminator)

[Chloe]

Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession. He was at Hogwarts just nobody noticed him on the mep

[Florin]

Chloe wrote: "Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession."

Absolutely not. Pettigrew (Scabbers) was at Hogwarts from the same day as Harry when Fred&George had the map. Harry got the map in his third year.

[Chloe]

yes but on that day rowling gave no indication that fred and george had actually looked at the map.

[Carole]

Chloe wrote: "Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession."

Wasn't Scabbers originally Percy's pet?

[K.L.]

Elizabeth wrote: "Chloe wrote: "Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession."

Wasn't Scabbers originally Percy's pet?"

I believe so

[Florin]

Chloe wrote: "yes but on that day rowling gave no indication that fred and george had actually looked at the map."

Well, didn't Fred say that he owed everything he and George knew to Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs? They also knew how to open it, and close it. It'd be a bit weird if they never used it...

[Izzy]

Anyway, the twins never knew about the rat being human until after all that, if Ron even told them. That means they would've called him Scabbers. So the twins wouldn't have been suspicious at all.

[Dee]

K.L. wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "Chloe wrote: "Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession."

Wasn't Scabbers originally Percy's pet?"

I believe so"
yeah..they never referred to the rat earlier..it was Erol or Earl..whatever was the name of that lousy pigeon Ron had..

[Chloe]

Florian wrote: "Chloe wrote: "yes but on that day rowling gave no indication that fred and george had actually looked at the map."

Well, didn't Fred say that he owed everything he and George knew to Mooney, Wormt..."

I just meant on that day. It was morning when th eyes gave harry the map so maybe they hadn't looked at it recently that day even so they couldn't have possibly have noticed that one little rat (who lived in the boys dorm) out of all of the kids in the school

[Chloe]

Dee wrote: "K.L. wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "Chloe wrote: "Remember though Pettigrew only showed up at Hogwarts AFTER the Map was in Harry's possession."

Wasn't Scabbers originally Percy's pet?"

I believe so"


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Scabbers was originally Percy pet. Ron was complaining about how lousy he was on their first train to Hogwarts.

[Chloe]

Line wrote: "I think they never checked the map, in the same way Harry did. I believe Fred and George only checked the map, when they were out doing theirb miscievious deeds, and that they never had reason to c..."

I totally agree

[Chloe]

Hungergames19 wrote: "Anyway, the twins never knew about the rat being human until after all that, if Ron even told them. That means they would've called him Scabbers. So the twins wouldn't have been suspicious at all."

Exactly not a l ot of people were familiar with Peter Pettigrews story so if Fred or George or Dean or somebody looked at the map, the name Peter Pettigrew wouldn't stand out at all.

[Izzy]

Yeah! They would just think it was another student, or even the name of another boy's pet.

[B]

was it a significant name to them at that point? did they really know the story? did anyone besides some older wizards?

[sam]

Their are probable hundreds of names on that map at any time, I doubt they would ever notice, even if they knew who pettigrew was, which I doubt they did. And as for why it said pettigrews name instead of scabbers? Come on. Like they ever checked the map to see where Ron's rat was.

Really what confuses me most about the HP universe is what do wizards have agents technology? I mean would one lightbulb hurt anything? And why can't they use 'modern' pens instead of quills and ink? That would suck wouldn't it? Cuz quills are REALLY annoying to write with, why can't they just use a pen?

[B]

magic makes technology go haywire, as far as the lightbulbs - they would prob have power surges every other second if they had anything that was powered with electricity.

i dont know what their problem is with pens, but it seems to be a case of keeping things authentic - it wouldnt be the same if they all dressed in the latest fashion and used pens along with wands.