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message 1: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
July's perspective is Arab voices.

We are going to do something different for this month. Please nominate one book. The moderators will each pick one book from the pool of nominees and the randomizer will pick a 4th choice.

Do your best to convince us why we should pick your nominee.

Selections will close on July 27 at 6pm and books will be announced at 7pm ET


message 2: by Chinook (new)

Chinook | 282 comments Arab rather than Muslim?


message 3: by Gail (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments Unfortunately, I do not know of many Arab voices on the list. There is One Thousand and One Nights of course. There are 2 books by Naguib Mahfouz of which I would love to read Midaq Alley which is about the uniqueness and universality of a Cairo Alley. Also taking place in a Cairo alley is Women at Point Zero by Nawal El Saadawi which is about a prostitute. There is also an Iranian book by Sadegn Hedeyat called The Blind Owl. Justine, by Lawrence Durrell, takes place in Alexandria and is impacted by its setting but Durrell is not a Arab voice. I am typing this on my mobile so I can not just click on title links. I will try and add the links once I am at a computer. I vote for Midaq Alley or Women at Point Zero right now unless others have different suggestions. Oh yes, Reluctant Fundamentalist is a great book and has an Arab voice as the narrator. It is by Mohsin Hamid. He was born in Pakistan and lives in NY and London. However, I just read it so it would not be my 1st choice even though I highly recommend it.


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Chinook | 282 comments I didn’t think the Reluctant Fundamentalist would count - Pakistan isn’t an Arabic country, though it is a Muslim one. There are foreign Arabs who live there, but I couldn’t tell if this book was narrated then by a Pakistani or an Arab from Pakistan.


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Diane  | 2044 comments Three more are Season of Migration to the North, Snow, and Life Is a Caravanserai.

I nominate the only 1001 book that applies that I have not read: Life Is a Caravanserai. It is a story about 1950s and 1960s Turkey, a transitional time in its history, as told from a child's perspective.


message 6: by Sushicat (new)

Sushicat | 292 comments Turkey is also not an Arab country.


Kelly_Hunsaker_reads ... | 902 comments I will have to sit out the nominations as I do not know any of these books. If you are thinking Muslim countries rather than Arab, I am interested in the Reluctant Fundamentalist.


message 8: by Diane (last edited Jun 26, 2018 12:02AM) (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments Sushicat wrote: "Turkey is also not an Arab country."

It is a Muslim country. Iran and Pakistan are also not Arab.

Here is a Wikipedia page about Arabs in Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_i...


message 9: by Diane (last edited Jun 26, 2018 12:11AM) (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments Using the Arab definition only leaves a pool of 5 books to choose from.

Midaq Alley
Miramar
Season of Migration to the North
The Arabian Nights (with 1000+ pages)
Woman at Point Zero

Expanding the definition to in include Muslims makes a larger number of books to choose from.


message 10: by Pip (new)

Pip | 1553 comments Thanks for the list. There is a huge difference between Arabs and Muslims as categories. Can I make a plea for Woman at Point Zero just because it is the only one available on Audible and I am in need of an Audible book when I start my travels tomorrow!


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Pip | 1553 comments I don't think Mohsid Hamid is an Arab.


message 12: by Jen (last edited Jun 26, 2018 04:02AM) (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
We can add Arab and Muslim voices to give us a larger pool of books


message 13: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
Chinook wrote: "Arab rather than Muslim?"

See my response above


message 14: by Diane (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments Jen wrote: "We can add Arab and Muslim voices to give us a larger pool of books"

Yay! Thanks!


message 15: by Chinook (last edited Jun 26, 2018 08:23AM) (new)

Chinook | 282 comments In that case, I’m definitely pushing for The Reluctant Fundamentalist. I think it’s so relevant to everything that’s going on right now, especially with the SCOTUS decision on the Muslim van.


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Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
And is Egypt Northern Africa or an Arab country. If we want an Arab voice, there are only a a couple that truly meet that criteria. We’ve chosen other books earlier that were not necessarily the “voice” but was set in. So in that regards, it certainly would be okay to choose a non Arab voice like Durrell. I just read that one and it is about the country more about Alexandria than about a person.


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Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments I think I would still wish for Woman at Point Zero as it is available, written by and about a women in the Muslim world and originally published in Arabic.


Kelly_Hunsaker_reads ... | 902 comments OK, I will make it official and nominate The Reluctant Fundamentalist


message 19: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
Last 5 hours to nominate a book. We will announce the winners at 7pm ET.


message 20: by Chinook (new)

Chinook | 282 comments I’ll officially nominate Midaq Alley (though I’d be just as happy with Miramar.) I’ve been meaning to read The Cairo Trilogy for years and this would give me an intro to the author.


message 21: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
Since there were only 5 nominees this month, we will allow all 5 books to be options.

1. Season of Migration
2. Woman at point zero
3. The reluctant fundamentalist
4. Life is a caravanserai
5. Midaq Alley


message 22: by Pip (new)

Pip | 1553 comments Yah. I will listen to Woman at Point Zero.


message 23: by Chinook (new)

Chinook | 282 comments I have read Woman at Point Zero, so I’ll try to get copies of the other four and read whatever arrives and I manage to read in the right month! (Am just now reading The Siege of Krishnapur from two months back!)


message 24: by Diane (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments I will read Life Is a Caravanserai since I have read the other 4.


message 25: by Gail (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments I will read Woman at Point Zero and hopefully Midaq Alley if I have time. I like the idea of both them taking place in Cairo.


message 26: by Melissa (new)

Melissa I already own both 3 and 4, I’ll see how many I can squeeze in.


Kelly_Hunsaker_reads ... | 902 comments My library has the Reluctant Feminist so I will read that. And I requested an ILL for Woman at Point Zero.


message 28: by Liz M (new)

Liz M | 194 comments I've also read four of the books. I'll read Life Is a Caravanserai if I can find a copy.


message 29: by Tracy (new)

Tracy (tstan) | 559 comments I’ve read all of them, I guess I’ll be sitting this one out. But I have lots of non-list Arab voices on my shelf, so I’ll read some of those.


message 30: by Jen (new)

Jen | 120 comments I'm third in line for a library copy of Woman at Point Zero, hopefully it will come in soon. I really enjoyed Midaq Alley.


message 31: by Diane (new)

Diane Zwang | 1363 comments Mod
I am going to read Woman at Point Zero. I have already read Season of Migration to the North which I loved. I also read The Reluctant Fundamentalist which I also loved. Such good choices this month.


message 32: by Kristel (new)

Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
I am reading Woman at Point Zero.


Kelly_Hunsaker_reads ... | 902 comments I finished The Reluctant Fundamentalist and really liked it! I hope to read Woman at Point Zero also


message 34: by Dree (new)

Dree | 243 comments I finished Woman at Point Zero. It was quite depressing and sad.


message 35: by Diane (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments Finished The Reluctant Fundamentalist and posted a review.


Kelly_Hunsaker_reads ... | 902 comments I finished Woman at Point Zero for my second book. I may still squeeze in Midaq Alley.


message 37: by Gail (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments I just finished Woman at Point Zero also. I hope to read Midaq Alley too but I have a few other books in the queue first.


message 38: by Diane (new)

Diane  | 2044 comments Finished Life Is a Caravanserai for my second book and posted a review. I highly recommend it (if you like magical realism).


message 39: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Finished my first, Women at Point Zero...so good!


message 40: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Do we have a July discussion set up yet?


message 41: by Dree (new)

Dree | 243 comments Is there a July discussion thread somewhere?


message 42: by Kristel (new)

Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
I think that it is hard to formulate questions for July discussion. Does anyone have a lead off statement? Please feel free to present it.

I’ve pondered this month.
1. There is a great difference in cultures between west and east. How did this book represent that difference?
2. How is feminist politics in the East different that the West?
3. Have you ever lived in one of these countries or even traveled through?


message 43: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1608 comments Mod
Dree wrote: "Is there a July discussion thread somewhere?"

Sory, I missed these questions. No formal July discussion but as Kristel mentioned, please add your own questions. I apologize for not stating this explicitly.

Either way, full 3 points allocated this month as long as you post a review.


message 44: by Pip (new)

Pip | 1553 comments I have long pondered how difficult it is for women in the Middle East. I once spent a whole flight arguing with the Somali man sitting next to me that the stuff I valued about my life would be impossible in his culture. To no avail, of course! I have had friends who had to adapt to not being able to drive or drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia and who couldn't wait to leave. I made friends with Muslim women in Sri Lanka but it was difficult because we had so little in common (except that our husband's loved rugby union). I did observe, however, that many arranged marriages seemed much more successful than those that weren't.


message 45: by Kristel (new)

Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
Pip wrote: "I have long pondered how difficult it is for women in the Middle East. I once spent a whole flight arguing with the Somali man sitting next to me that the stuff I valued about my life would be impo..."

Well said, and I agree about arranged marriages being more successful many times.


message 46: by Gail (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments I have never lived or traveled in the Middle East. I have spent a great deal of time in Indonesia and Malaysia which are both largely Muslim countries but their cultures are quite different I believe.
I do have a friend from Pakistan who strikes me as extremely feisty, loud, self-confident, irreverent and I always thought that she was that way because she had left her culture or she left her culture because she was that way. However, I am reading Midaq Alley now and the women are very spirited, showing off their passion, ambitions, and especially their anger (to the point of one of them regularly physically beating up her husband). The women and men are always yelling at each other. The religious rules and restrictions definitely cage the women’s freedoms as compared to the men in the same culture (or in this case the same alley) but not their sense of self. Once again, reading enlightens me to my own assumptions and prejudices.


message 47: by Kristel (new)

Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
Gail wrote: "I have never lived or traveled in the Middle East. I have spent a great deal of time in Indonesia and Malaysia which are both largely Muslim countries but their cultures are quite different I belie..."
Of course this book is authored by a male and Woman at Point Zero (also set in Egypt) is by a female. There is a bit of difference between the perceptions. Midas Alley was written in 1947 and I do think the atmosphere in Egypt has changed a bit. Woman at Point Zero written in 1975. Interesting to compare the two books. I think the British had quite the presence yet in 1947 and in 1975 it would be Anwar Sadat.


message 48: by Chinook (new)

Chinook | 282 comments Kristel wrote: "Pip wrote: "I have long pondered how difficult it is for women in the Middle East. I once spent a whole flight arguing with the Somali man sitting next to me that the stuff I valued about my life w..."

What are we defining as a successful marriage? That it lasts? That it works to benefit both members? Or another criteria?


message 49: by Kristel (new)

Kristel (kristelh) | 4368 comments Mod
Chinook wrote: "Kristel wrote: "Pip wrote: "I have long pondered how difficult it is for women in the Middle East. I once spent a whole flight arguing with the Somali man sitting next to me that the stuff I valued..."

I think a successful marriage is one that is satisfying to both partners. The reason why I think arranged marriages do tend to be successful is that parents know their children and know what what is comfortable to a family unit. Our values etc are established by our families whether we are rebellious or not. Maybe another reason why arranged marriages might last may be that those cultures don’t have a strongly held belief that a person can “quit a marriage” for any particular whims. Also many of those cultures don’t allow for women to get a divorce. Only men can do so.


message 50: by Gail (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 1604 comments Good point Kristel in regards the time frame difference between Woman at Point Zero and Midaq Alley.


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