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Book Club Discussions > RABBIT HOLE (The Paradox Series):General Discussion (August 2014)

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message 1: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod


Here is the Goodreads link:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

Read the first two chapters to get a taste here: http://www.paradoxseries.com/

“The novel moves at a quick clip, with short chapters and a snappy plot that keeps the pages turning.” Kirkus Reviews

BACK COVER COPY:
Rabbit Hole is the first book in the Paradox Series. Set in 2025, Rabbit Hole tells the story of the partnership of Rabbit Hole Time Travel—the world’s first commercial time travel company, and Paradox Force—a government sanctioned black ops organization. Together they race to find and defeat the Rippers—a shadowy organization determined to use stolen time travel technology to alter the past to gain unlimited power and wealth.

Brilliant scientist Dr. Nora Hamilton, CEO of Rabbit Hole Time Travel, teams up with former Special Forces operative Nick Canton, Director of Corrective Mission at Paradox Force. They rush to locate and rescue Nora’s mentor, Dr. Marcus Locke, who has been kidnapped by the Rippers. On the way, they must also correct altered history before it can do irreparable damage to the present. While preserving historic moments that shaped the world today, they travel across hundreds of years and to locations around the globe. As Nick and Nora’s romance heats up, they recruit the team that will follow them any place, any time. In the process, they all learn more about themselves and the importance of trust and teamwork.

OTHER INSIGHTS FROM GARRETT SMITH:
What if everything you know never really happened?
This is the question the characters in Rabbit Hole must ask themselves as they struggle to save their kidnapped mentor, and return history to its original state. In the end they have to avoid the temptation to manipulate events, realizing the wisdom in the adage often repeated by Dr. Marcus Locke – “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”

ABOUT THE AUTHORS:
When not traveling the country in their RV, husband and wife writing team, Michael C. Smith and Cynthia K. Garrett—writing as Garrett Smith—make their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where they live on an acreage with their two much-loved dogs. Michael owns TulsaWoodSmith, a fine furniture and cabinetry business. Cynthia is an attorney in private practice. They are currently working on the second book in the Paradox Series.


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Soft Cover: $14.00
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message 2: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Thank you, Lincoln, for the nice introduction.

We are so pleased to be the August 2014 BOTM. August must be a good month for us, we were the August 2013 Giveaway book and really enjoyed interacting with the Time Travel Group members then.

We welcome all questions and comments from the group.


message 3: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Did anyone get some reading in on day one? One of the things I like about Rabbit Hole is its quick short usually action packed chapters. Easy to sit down and read just a few chapters and walk away if busy, but also a bit addicting to just keep reading.

Here are some Pre-Reading Questions

Pre-Reading Question 1

If you could go back in time to before your birth, where and when would you go, and what would you do while you were there?

Pre-Reading Question 2

Dr. Marcus Locke, the co-founder of Rabbit Hole Time Travel, tells his people, “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. If you could go back in time, what would you change, and what do you think the possible unintended consequences might be?


message 4: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Answer to Pre-reading Question 2

I am not going to really answer the question posed here not quite yet...“Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.

That piece of dialogue and idea reminds me of something...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PLvdm...


message 5: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Answer to Pre-reading Question 1

I recently had a conversation with a group of teenagers and I made a comment that showed my age (36). I was astounded how the entire group had no idea of what I was talking about.

It made me think, how true can the history books be if a gap of 20 years can leave such gaps of knowledge what happens for hundreds and thousands of years.

I would like to go check up on the history books. I also have a certain fascination for military history...Go back to Gettysburg...D-Day....I am certain these would be gory battlefields and I would not have the stomach for the reality of battle but I feel connected through honoring and reverencing for the lives lost.


message 6: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Pre-Reading Question 3

Universal Time Travel Code Mandate #1 – Take nothing. Leave nothing. Change nothing.

Under what circumstance do you think it is acceptable to alter a major historical event?


message 7: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Pre-Reading Question 4

If you could invent a time machine, and it could only go in one direction, either the future or the past, which would you choose?


message 8: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Pre-Reading Question 5

Would you go to another time and stay permanently?


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Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
NAME THAT ACTOR:

Do you visualize any particular actor or actress playing any of the characters? If yes, please post their picture and name along with the character’s name.

Garrett Smith like Colin Farrell for Nick.


message 10: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Lincoln wrote: "Answer to Pre-reading Question 2

I am not going to really answer the question posed here not quite yet...“Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.

That piece of dialogue and idea reminds ..."


Lincoln, loved the spot on video! Especially the last line. That IS the question.


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Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Lincoln wrote: "NAME THAT ACTOR:

Do you visualize any particular actor or actress playing any of the characters? If yes, please post their picture and name along with the character’s name.

Garrett Smith like..."


True. We think about Nick Canton and see this face



message 12: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
Yes, that's similar to my image of Nick.

You know, I think the part I like most about this book is something I've only seen a couple of other places: a computer that compares real history to history altered by time travelers. I can't for the life of me, though, figure out where I've seen it before.


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Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Amy wrote: "Yes, that's similar to my image of Nick.

You know, I think the part I like most about this book is something I've only seen a couple of other places: a computer that compares real history to histo..."


It made sense to us to have this need for an Interface, and it was fun to write around the paradox of alterations being undetectable otherwise.

We thought we came up with the idea, but it also makes sense that others would have as well. If you change the past, you change history, or in other words, our impression, recordings and memories of the past.


message 14: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Michael and Cynthia,

I don't care what Nick looks like...After reading Chapter 3, I don't like him, and I sure don't trust him....


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Paul | 341 comments Lincoln wrote: "Michael and Cynthia,

I don't care what Nick looks like...After reading Chapter 3, I don't like him, and I sure don't trust him...."


That's how I felt, Lincoln, but he does grow on you. Looks like Harrison Ford, maybe? About thirty years ago.


message 16: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (last edited Aug 03, 2014 04:22PM) (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Jonas:

I have no idea which actor best fits his description However...


Howard Wolowitz from Big Bang Theory has a lot of the same qualities...29 years old, highly educated Jew, that still lives with his mother.


message 17: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Funny! Jonas' mother is a much prettier and nicer lady. No screaming. Jonas is one of our favorite characters in the book. We saw T. J. Thyne's face as we wrote his character




message 18: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Answer to Pre-reading question 3

I agree with mandate #1 history is sacred and should be protected from change, but as in all rules...Rules are made me to be broken. First thoughts are of 9/11, but going back Pearl Harbor.

How would World War II play out if the United States joined the fight sometime in 1943 or later. Would the Nazi's crossed the English channel?

The law of unintentional consequences abound.


message 19: by Nathan, First Tiger (new)

Nathan Coops (icoops) | 539 comments Mod
Lincoln Wrote: I would like to go check up on the history books...

I think that would be one of the toughest aspects of being a time traveler. People would be wrong about so many aspects of history and you would know the truth but it would be nearly impossible and probably too frustrating to correct everyone. Truth could be exhausting. I wonder if that would make you very jaded as a person.


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Duane (tduaneparkeryahoocom) | 28 comments Lincoln wrote: "Answer to Pre-reading question 3

I agree with mandate #1 history is sacred and should be protected from change, but as in all rules...Rules are made me to be broken. First thoughts are of 9/11, b..."


Mentioning Pearl Harbor reminded me of the movie, Final Countdown, about the US aircraft carrier that found itself transported back in time to Dec. 6, 1941, just prior to the attack. They had the firepower to stop it or alter the outcome, but didn't..


message 21: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
Nathan wrote: " Lincoln Wrote: I would like to go check up on the history books...

I think that would be one of the toughest aspects of being a time traveler. People would be wrong about so many aspects of histo..."


But would they be wrong? If everyone but you knows a different reality, then suddenly you're the one who's wrong. There would be a horrible difficulty determining what needed to be changed back just to fit your memory and what would be better left changed. I think, though, that it would cause a great deal of mental anguish to allow yourself to accept everyone else's new reality ... especially if you can't really talk about the old without sounding insane.


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Duane (tduaneparkeryahoocom) | 28 comments I'm through the 1st 4 chapters and lagging behind everyone else it appears. I like the early fast pace, already hooked and liking it so far. I'm not surprised that the government is in control of time travel, of course they would be. But the idea of it is a negative for me, they would screw it up for sure.


message 23: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Answer to Pre-Reading Question 4

Future or Past?

I suppose I would choose future. I just could not live without air conditioning and good plumbing. I suppose if I did go back in the past maybe just thirty years or so.


message 24: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Quesstion 1

If you had been Nora, would you have made the call that Nick wondered if she would make?


message 25: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Question 2

Should time travel only be available to the wealthy? If not, how should Rabbit Hole Time Travel make it accessible to the general public?


message 26: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Questions 1 and 2 sort of go together...Without getting to political...

The idea of government overwatch...when you don't trust the government...also allowing the general public to time travel...isn't the general public who elect those in Washington?

I don't trust either group to enforce mandate #1 and or abide by it while time traveling. Not to say that the uber wealthy will behave any better.


message 27: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Michael,

I just finished reading chapter 8

(view spoiler)


message 28: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it creepy that there continue to be references to Nick having known Nora and been in love with her for over 2 years when she's only just met him?


message 29: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Amy wrote: "Is it just me, or does anyone else find it creepy that there continue to be references to Nick having known Nora and been in love with her for over 2 years when she's only just met him?"

Nice observation...(view spoiler)

But yes, a bit creepy.


message 30: by Nathan, First Tiger (new)

Nathan Coops (icoops) | 539 comments Mod
She does take the stalking/love information pretty well. The fact that he looks like Colin Farell must be affecting her defenses. She is also rather prone to suggestion. (view spoiler)


message 31: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
Nathan wrote: "She does take the stalking/love information pretty well. The fact that he looks like Colin Farell must be affecting her defenses. She is also rather prone to suggestion. [spoilers removed]"

*snicker*


message 32: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
By the way, I've got a new poll up for us to vote on our favorite Book Club reads: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1.... I'll add to it as we continue reading new books.


message 33: by Garrett (last edited Aug 04, 2014 01:30PM) (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Lincoln wrote: "Michael,

I just finished reading chapter 8

[spoilers removed]"


Hmm...now that you mention it, that friend does sound like the Maryland version of http://www.tulsawoodsmith.com


message 34: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Nathan wrote: "She does take the stalking/love information pretty well. The fact that he looks like Colin Farell must be affecting her defenses. She is also rather prone to suggestion. [spoilers removed]"

Hey, she's a girl who knows what she likes, and apparently its a guy who looks like Colin Farrell. Smart ladies can make quick decisions, especially when nasty folks like the Rippers are roaming about.

Michael's vote for the actress to play Nora is Angie Harmon,



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Duane (tduaneparkeryahoocom) | 28 comments I'm in chapter 9 and, OMG! Did they just say Charlton Heston had been president? I don't think I can go on.


message 36: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Here is my vote for Nora

Any Rookie Blue fans out there?



Missy Peregrym


message 37: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Question 3

Everyone has heard of time travel romance, or time travel historical fiction. What do you all think about a Tom Clancy-esque time travel military spy novel?


message 38: by Glynn (new)

Glynn | 235 comments Just started this and already I've learned something I never knew before. Great beginning. :)


message 39: by Nathan, First Tiger (new)

Nathan Coops (icoops) | 539 comments Mod
Reading Question 3
Everyone has heard of time travel romance, or time travel historical fiction. What do you all think about a Tom Clancy-esque time travel military spy novel?

I'm curious to get the authors' take on this one since we have them in the discussion. Michael and Cynthia, where did you originally come up with the idea for Rabbit Hole? It's a fun concept. I like the idea of using a tourist branch of time travel and paralleling it with a government agency. That seemed very likely to be the case. Also having people try to use it for personal gain. Simple concept but it works because it fits so well with human nature.


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Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Duane wrote: "I'm in chapter 9 and, OMG! Did they just say Charlton Heston had been president? I don't think I can go on."

Duane,

Don't worry, they 'fix' it.


message 41: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Lincoln wrote: "Here is my vote for Nora

Any Rookie Blue fans out there?



Missy Peregrym"


Lincoln,

WOW! I don't know who Missy is, but I may have to put Angie on waivers.

Michael


message 42: by Garrett (last edited Aug 05, 2014 07:21AM) (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Garrett wrote: "Lincoln wrote: "Here is my vote for Nora

Any Rookie Blue fans out there?



Missy Peregrym"

Lincoln,

WOW! I don't know who Missy is, but I may have to put Angie on waivers.

Michael"




Michael,

Fickle.

Cynthia


message 43: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Glynn wrote: "Just started this and already I've learned something I never knew before. Great beginning. :)"

That just tickles us, Glynn. It's what we hoped for. We learned a lot too as we researched the book.


message 44: by Garrett (new)

Garrett Smith (garrettsmith) | 246 comments Nathan wrote: "Reading Question 3
Everyone has heard of time travel romance, or time travel historical fiction. What do you all think about a Tom Clancy-esque time travel military spy novel?

I'm curious to get ..."



Nathan,

Good question. We didn't want to do time travel as an individual's experience. But rather, an adventure that could be shared. Disney World wouldn't be much fun, if you went all by yourself. Half the fun is sharing it with someone you care about. We will have more Rabbit Hole hops featuring innocent clients in the books that follow.

Of course, where there's both money and opportunity for power, there is criminal potential. Thus, the need for Paradox Force.


message 45: by Duane (new)

Duane (tduaneparkeryahoocom) | 28 comments Not quite half way; very entertaining.


message 46: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Question 4

If you could work at Rabbit Hole, would you rather be a guide, programmer, historical researcher, costume designer, or mission specialist?


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Paul | 341 comments Lincoln wrote: "Reading Question 4

If you could work at Rabbit Hole, would you rather be a guide, programmer, historical researcher, costume designer, or mission specialist?"


I think I'd go with historical researcher, Lincoln, something I already enjoy, or guide, for the adventure. Do you know if the job benefits include Napware?


message 48: by Nathan, First Tiger (last edited Aug 06, 2014 01:25PM) (new)

Nathan Coops (icoops) | 539 comments Mod
Paul wrote: I think I'd go with historical researcher, Lincoln, something I already enjoy, or guide, for the adventure. Do you know if the job benefits include Napware?

Haha. The Rippers should have invested their efforts in stealing the Napware program. That would sell like crazy on the black market, or pretty much anywhere. Every employee of a company, or student...heck, who wouldn't want it? I could go for a nap right now.


message 49: by Amy, Queen of Time (new)

Amy | 2209 comments Mod
Pre-Reading Question 1:
I'd go to the Carboniferous period. Why? It's an interesting period of pre-history when you'd not encounter dinosaurs or too many dangerous creatures (including people). You might encounter some giant millipedes, dragonflies, and scorpions. But they could be dealt with. The extra oxygen in the air would be useful for trekking purposes. I'd also like to see what the world was like before the evolution of bacteria to help in the decomposition process.

Pre-Reading Question 2:
I'd not change anything if I went back in the past ... unless it was something innocuous for experimentation purposes.

Pre-Reading Question 3:
I don't think it would be acceptable to alter a major historical event. History happened. Let it be.

Pre-Reading Question 4:
If I could only go in one direction, I'd go to the future. It's an unknown and infinitely more interesting to me than the past that is known. I'm assuming, too, that I could keep going forward if I didn't like the future I landed in.

Pre-Reading Question 5:
I go to another time and stay permanently every day. But to be truthful, I'd have to be in place like the character of Hollow World where the unknown was better than the known in order to decide to go to the future and stay permanently ... or have no choice.

NAME THAT ACTOR:
I like Joe Manganiello as Nick:


Jonas would be Seth Rogan:



I never got a clear image of Nora.

Reading Question 1
To which call are you referring?

Reading Question 2
Time travel to the past should be highly regulated and available only to those who pass certain tests. The price, I suppose, would depend on the cost of the technology involved. I'd not think that it should purposefully be priced so that only the wealthy could afford it. But it really wouldn't be appropriate for class field trips either.


message 50: by Lincoln, Temporal Jester (new)

Lincoln | 1290 comments Mod
Reading Question 1
To which call are you referring?


Amy,

Near the beginning of the book, they were testing Nora's trustworthiness and seeing if she would call and report the parachutist.


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