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message 1: by Brennan (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments Alright, so this one is a bit to take care of. A "series" page was automatically created (so far as I can tell) for the multi-author series I'm publishing through my publishing company, McPherson Publishing, but the name is wrong. The series page is "Psalm" but should be "The Psalm Series." Also, it's missing the third book out of the series.

Here are the links to all three books in the series:
The Hunter and the Valley of Death: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
By the Waters of Babylon: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
Deep Calling Deep: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...

Can someone get this all sorted out? Thank you! And many blessings.


message 2: by Olivia (new)

Olivia (livka) | 7927 comments Are there common characters in those books?


message 3: by Brennan (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments Olivia wrote: "Are there common characters in those books?"

Meaning, "Do the books have consistent characters that show up in all three?" ??? If that's your question, no. Each book stands alone, but each book is a part of the same series, and each book is based on a different psalm from the Bible's book of Psalms. I don't see how common characters impacts anything. They still need to be on a series page.


message 4: by Olivia (new)

Olivia (livka) | 7927 comments The Gooreads definition of a series is more strict then on some other websites.
From Librarian Manual:
As a general rule, a book is only part of a series if that designation would apply to all editions of a work. To be a series, books should have characters and/or universes in common.
https://www.goodreads.com/help/show/2...

I deleted a series page.

For the collections that are not considered a series you might want to create a Listopia list instead:
https://www.goodreads.com/list/new


message 5: by Brennan (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments No, this still applies as a series under Goodreads' definition. It has a shared universe and concept.

Again, it needs to be a series.


message 6: by Olivia (new)

Olivia (livka) | 7927 comments I'm sure there are more books inspired by Psalms, but we wouldn't put them together with these books in a series either.


message 7: by Brennan (last edited Jun 10, 2018 03:50AM) (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments It's a series of books written a very specific way. By Goodreads definition, and by my own (THE PUBLISHER), and every single one of the authors, it's a series. Their contracts say the same. It's a series on Amazon. It's a series on B&N. It's a series everywhere, and for good reason. The interior is typeset exactly the same style (custom). The book covers are branded exactly the same. Each book cover says, "The Psalm Series." https://psalmseries.com


message 8: by Olivia (new)

Olivia (livka) | 7927 comments Brennan,
please note that the librarians are volunteers and not Goodreads employees.
As such we are obligated to follow the rules set up in Goodreads Librarian Manual.

As I already explained Goodreads rules for series are more strict than on some other websites, including Amazon, and I'm personally convinced that these books do not qualify to be listed as a series on Goodreads.

Please feel free to flag or contact Goodreads support if you wish.
support @ goodreads (dot) com
https://www.goodreads.com/about/conta...


message 9: by Brennan (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments Yes, I know librarians are volunteer. And I didn't ignore anything you posted above. I read the definition, and by that definition, this series is a series.


message 10: by lethe (last edited Jun 10, 2018 12:57AM) (new)

lethe | 14887 comments Brennan wrote: "Put it in a series or I'll get someone else to do it and will flag you for inappropriate behavior. "

Olivia is not the one who is behaving inappropriately here. She is following GR rules and you have no business threatening her.

By your argument, you could say that all books set on Earth have a shared universe.

ETA See the moderator's reply in a similar case: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


message 11: by Brennan (last edited Jun 10, 2018 03:31AM) (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments I believe it's absolutely inappropriate to delete the series page and claim that it's not a series. The reason why I worded that response above so strongly was that I literally thought Olivia was a newer librarian messing with things. Obviously, I saw soon thereafter that's not the case. This is going to affect many other series. It doesn't serve the end user, and in my opinion doesn't make any sense.


message 12: by lethe (new)

lethe | 14887 comments In that case, complain to Goodreads, since the series rules were made by staff.

I agree with Olivia that according to GR series rules, this is not a series.

Brennan wrote: "The reason why I worded that response above so strongly was that I literally thought Olivia was a newer librarian messing with things. Obviously, I saw soon thereafter that's not the case."

Yet I didn't see you apologize to Olivia.


message 13: by Brennan (last edited Jun 10, 2018 03:54AM) (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments I have no problem apologizing. I'm sorry, Olivia, I misunderstood what was going on and over-reacted. But I am "complaining" to Goodreads about how the policy is being applied, because it doesn't serve the end user. I also believe you, Olivia, and even Rivka (yes, the moderator and an employee), are misinterpreting the GR rules. I'm sure it will lead nowhere, but from Rivka's apply to the other lady's series, this is obviously affecting others.


message 14: by lethe (new)

lethe | 14887 comments Thanks, Brennan.

(For the record, interpreting the series rules the way I do doesn't mean I agree with them ;) )


message 15: by Brennan (new)

Brennan McPherson (brennansmcpherson) | 26 comments I understand. I also see that Olivia is doing what she thinks appropriate. Blessings to both of you (as much as this thread irritated the daylights out of me).


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