A Court of Frost and Starlight
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A case against the constant vilifying of Tamlin
Julianna wrote: I read on Instagram recently that she wasn't sure if she wanted to write a redemption story about Tam because she didn't think he deserved it or whatever. Literally, even Eris is getting sympathy but not Tam? Make it make sense! Tam is nowhere near villain level or Eris's level@Julianna
Where did you read this? Can you share? Because I wanna read it with my own eyes too.
Its also not fair too. Eris deadass is getting some sympathy all because It wAS jUsT a FacAdE!! But when Tamlin is losing himself to grief and depression we're just gonna keep on beating him up?? That's just so INHUMANE.
And I'm completely fine if Tamlin doesn't get a book. All I want is just him picking himself up from the broken pieces and start anew.
It can even just be like offhand remarks like:
"Lucien, what's the report on Tamlin?" Rhysand asked.
"He stopped roaming the woods in his beast form now, started to take care of his health and hygiene..."
And that would make me happy. Just little remarks. You don't have to make a book dedicated to him if you hate him that much.
Your exactly right, tamlin deserves to pick himself up. And for SJM for someone who wants to make your characters as human as possible they act very terribly
I have been invested in this story for years and like it. But Sarah takes old myths and stories and rejuses them. By law she is allowed to do it but she have taken some of my homecountry's old religion and trashed and rewrote to trash. That hurts me more than Tamlin. Yes he is not her original concept but now her creation? As she can do will as she like?
There's a line in Silver flames that (imo) at least makes me feel hopeful. I think its Azriel who says something like "If Tamlin can overcome his grief and guilt and become the warrior he once was" or something like that. I feel like I saw recently where SJM did want to explore Tamlin more. Maybe it was an IG live? I'd have to do some digging but I feel like it was recent.
PLEASE do the digging, although im not very hopeful. Many times SJM has stated she doesnt thing that tamlin deserves a redemption arc and talks about hating him for a long time.
@SamI miss Lucien and Tamlin's friendship :')
They were honestly the best of bros in the first book but everything changed when SJM attacked. That woman will haunt me till my last dying breath and her name will forever be on my lips
But yeah, we all mad and sad for the mistreatment of our boy TimTam...
I will hunt around instagram to find what I read about her talking about Tam, recently, by the way, and post what she said here for you guys.I know I'm still beating a dead horse but every time I see a post from the 'tAmPoN tHe tOoL' crowd I get mad all over again. Usually, it's about Tamlin doing nothing for Feyre Under the Mountain bs but this time the post brought up our argument for Rhy's behavior and was justifying it!! Saying Rhys did all of that because he had to because he was protecting Feyre!! And I'm like, so was Tamlin?!?! It is just insane, previously they were ignoring what we were pointing out about Rhys and now they are being transparent enough to say what Rhys did was ok because it's Rhys.
Ugh not to mention all these 'reflections' on how Rhys was so broken because of Under the Mountain and Feyre saved him and blah blah blah. Tamlin was so broken before Under the Mountain, and NO one saved him. Not a single soul. I don't understand why Rhy's mental health and brokenness is more valid than Tamlin's. Why his abusive behavior is swept under the rug. Why we are called 'abuse apologists' because we don't think Tamlin deserves to be hated but all the red flag behavior Rhys does is excusable simply because they like him more and the whole petty "Tamlin bad, Rhysand good." concept readers get in their head.
The way sjm villainizes someone with mental health problems is so disgusting to me. Every time I read a line about Tam in a new book or on Instagram, I have to come here and rant about it because this fandom is so toxic that they think their ship is perfect and sacred and the Inner Circle can do no wrong.
@Julianna I feel the same way too. I hate it when someone tries to defend Rhysand by bringing up Tamlin. I'm like, sweetie, we're discussing about Rhysand's sins, not TimTam.
I mean sometimes I wonder who is worse, SJM or the stans.
And the villainization of someone with mental health bit absolutely disgusts me. It's always 'mental health matters' until you show negative symptoms (like not showering, or excessive rage) and not the aesthetically pleasing ones. And then SUDDENLY IT BECOMES 'Your trauma doesn't excuse your actions'.
I'm just sick of the stigmatizations for mental health. Not EVERYONE is going to go through PTSD like Feyre did where her symptoms are, vomitting and nightmares and being sad and lying in bed.
Sometimes they go through PTSD like Nesta and Tamlin, pushing people away, excessive drinking, excessive rage, being aggressive.
I JUST HATE IT
I'm convinced that many fans cling to the narrative's voice so much that they fail to see a more unbiased perspective. When Feyre thought Rhys was bad, they thought he was bad. When Feyre thought Tamlin was now bad, they then thought he was bad. Same with Eris. Once the narrative started to shift in Eris's favor, Eris was no longer seen as a villain.I personally never thought any of them were villains or even bad people. I don't like when a narrative tries to tell me how to think, and I think SJM is guilty of writing this way. (She herself lets her bias show.) I don't fall for it, but I think many do.
But I think this means that as soon as the narrative shifts for Tamlin, fans will fall in line, as they tend to do.
If I had it my way, Lucien, Vassa and Jurian would help Tamlin recover and end up in Spring. I can't see Lucien anywhere else if I'm honest. Speaking of Lucien, I'm still so bitter about how he's left behind the narrative. On one hand, I get it. He doesn't fit into the Night Court crew. I just wish he hadn't gone with Feyre to begin with - and I wish there was no mating bond to Elain.
Though I'm fairly certain that mating bond only exists so we can see how one "breaks." My theory isn't that Elain will reject it - she will Unmake it. Still though, the relationship between Feyre and Lucien was swept under the rug and it bugs me. He should have stayed with Tamlin, then both of them could have broken off with Hybern and cross paths with Vassa and Jurian.
@Sarah you said it better than I ever could. I wish I could have that posted printed on a billboard for all the 'tamlin the tool' fools to read. And you are absolutely right, another thing I find hypocritical about the fandom. Only the people they like are allowed to have mental health problems and heal from it, the ones who don't like the main characters are automatically evil or their trauma and pain don't count because they aren't the character they like or like Tamlin's case he is just 'evil'. It will never make sense to me why every damn character HAS to love Feyre and Rhys and practically worship them or else there is something wrong with them. What makes Rhys and Feyre better than everyone else? Why do their feelings and lives matter more than everyone else's?
I think the saddest part about this is that I understand this behavior coming from all the toxic fans but this is what sjm wants the reader to feel. She's just like them, we are supposed to like who she tells us to but her unforeseen consequence became people realizing her side characters are far better than her main ones. Does she even see the hypocrisies and holes in her main characters? Or does she not care like her fans?
@WinterRose It's clear Lucien cares more about their friendship than Feyre does. He left everything to help her because he thought that was the right thing to do and in return, she treats him like garbage.
TBH Tamlin deserves to be in the little band of misfits they got going on there. I would read a story about the four of them and their adventures, finding some healing together, and solving things on their own instead of having to obey their tyrannical Night Court dictatorship.
@WinterRose Tamlin hanging out with Lucien's gang would be amazing and I would pay to read that shit.Julianna wrote: you said it better than I ever could. I wish I could have that posted printed on a billboard for all the 'tamlin the tool' fools to read.
Yeah, just hack into SJM's Instagram account and paste it there for all of them to see.
But yeah, no one deserves to suffer and go through grief and depression and mental illness - especially alone. I wouldn't even wish it upon my worst enemies.
Val wrote: "Basically how the fandom treats mental health issues. https://imgflip.com/i/52ct38"LMAO I AGREE BUT INSTEAD OF THE DROWNING KID TAMLIN SHOULD BE THAT SKELETON IN THE SKELETAL ADDITION OF THE MEME
THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS POST!!! *sorry for being so goddam loud*The entire thing about this entire damn series is the lack of accountability there is with the Court of Dreams. I am not going to lie, the relationship between Cassian and Nesta is my favorite, however I didn't like how no one apologized to Nesta for being absolutely horrible to her. Rhysand always threatened violence against her, LIKE wHY?? WHAT DID SHE DO TO YOU??
Everyone except Cassian, Nesta, Emerie ,and Gwyn can get fucked.
@Julianna - I just feel for Lucien's character. Did ya'll also notice how the narrative tried to paint Lucien as some victim of Tamlin abusing him in book 2?! Like having him cringe or act afraid of Tamlin. Were we supposed to forget their dynamic in book 1 that showed Lucien giving no shits or fears what he said to Tamlin? To the point that RHYS even pointed it out, in which Tamlin replied he didn't enforce rank?
Also, when Eris described Tamlin in Silver flames, I swear it sounded like a prologue lmao. Ironically I didn't find Tamlin "beastly" enough in acotar but now he truly seems like the broken, hopeless beast from beauty and the beast.
Ooh I just hate that sudden change of dynamic between Lucien and Tamlin in ACOMAF. THEY WERE BEST BUDS. LUCIEN DIDN'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IN ACOTAR AND KEPT STANDING UP TO TAMLIN LIKE AN EQUAL, LIKE A FRIEND, AND ALL OF THAT CHANGED.
Ugh you guys.His eyes flashed. “What for? Perhaps it was a blessing. Magic still surprises me. If she’s angry, it’s her problem.”
I made a show of considering, then nodded. Pressed closer, loathing every place where our bodies touched. I didn’t know how Rhys had endured it—endured Amarantha. For five decades.
How the hell is Feyre going to compare her relationship with Tamlin to Rhysand's with Amarantha. Like ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING.
And then this:
I nearly asked if it was worth it—if giving up this sort of peace was worth it, in order to have me back. For Hybern would come here, use these lands. And there would be no more singing and
dancing. Not once they arrived.
How about we ask YOU, Feyre, if it was worth it? Because there's no singing and dancing when you RUIN A COURT.
I legit can't even. I'd say its just Feyre being a moron but its SJM. Because no one calls Feyre out for this. Not one character.
In this house we hold Feyre accountable for the lives she destroyed all in the sake of getting revenge <3
Did you guys see the news? About ACOTAR being adapted into a hulu show?I for one am not excited in the least. I don't think Im ready to see Tamlin's character to be twisted and destroyed in 4K. Or the toxic fans harassing whatever poor actor is cast not to mention digging up their hypocritical arguments about Tam and blah blah blah.
I'm sure sarah and the producers will be more than happy to paint Tam as abusive from the get-go but I wonder how they will portray good ol' Rhysand and his abuse of Feyre, if they do at all. Now we get to see the Court of Hypocrites in 4K. hurray.
@Nadia , there's no such thing as accountability for the Court of Hyprocites because everything they do is correct and just and the people they don't like are worthy of their hate! The ends justify the means unless you aren't a member of the IC. I think this mentality really reflects how sjm sees them/what she thinks of them. Heroes and saviors who can do no wrong. ****spoiler for ACOSF*****
Yeah I really hated how the book became about Nesta having to apologize to everyone and them forgiving her while literally no one else apologizes for how they treated her as well. How they made decisions about her without her and how they forced her to do what they thought was right with complete disregard of her feelings. Not to mention portraying her mental health problems as something gross that was her fault, that there was something wrong with her instead of recognizing her severe PTSD.
God and with each book Rhysand becomes more unbearable and unlikeable.
Julianna wrote: "@Nadia , there's no such thing as accountability for the Court of Hyprocites because everything they do is correct and just and the people they don't like are worthy of their hate! The ends justify..."DON'T FORGET WHAT RHYSAND DID TO FEYRE HOLY SHIT I HATED THAT SO MUCH
My biggest problem with this series is the way in SJM painted Feyra and Nesta relationship. Their FATHER is the root cause of their relationship. For FIVE YEARS he sat on his ass, carving shit. the MINUTE money comes their way in the form of Tamlin take care of them, their father leaves. LEAVES. Goes to help VASSA. His leg didn't heal. Nesta was absolutely right in her anger against their father. Their father allowed Feyre to go into the woods. Their FATHER.. Not SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD NESTA. NESTA. who was most affected by the lost of wealth, would probably be killed or unsuccessful if she went hunting. Nesta shouldn't have be a parent when they both had a perfectly capable one who was willing to let them all die. But, sure, let Nesta carry the brunt of the blame. That's why I HATE that scene in ACOMAF, when Rhysand automatic hates Nesta, and Cassian immediately starts counting her sins. LIKE you don't KNOW HER! you are STRANGERS in HER HOME trying to get her HELP.
Sorry, Also the fact that SJM is not even hiding the fact that Rhysand is her favorite..********spoilers*************
There are two scenes in which Nesta goes to point out to Cassian just how much she doesn't like Rhysand. Cassian is immediately defensive as if she said that she hopes that he eats shit and dies. To the point where he tells her that Rhysand and everyone hates her. wtf. What did Nesta do to Rhysand?? Like I am seriously asking.
Also the fact that Mor said Nesta would thrive in the Court of Nightmares, I'm like, girl, you're overreacting. You are literally comparing a 20 year old, who is practically an infant compared to you, to motherfucking murderers and slavers and all that bad stuff.Its basically comparing a common thief to motherfucking HITLER.
Y'all need to calm down and chill.
The TV adaptation of ACOTAR...........Is there any way we can make this go away?! This news was like a nightmare coming to life.
Some fans do have sympathy for him after all that has now transpired, not all but some and this series is just going to dig up all that hate. All the "The red flags were there from the beginning" crowd.
Also the casting is scaring me. I can see SJM picking out the perfect Feyre and Rhysand and just giving two ill suited buffoons the roles of Tamlin and Lucien.
The earlier comment also scares the shit out of me. Painting Tamlin as abusive from the get go and glossing over Rhysand's doings (which are always going to be 100 times worse than what Tamlin ever did).
Gosh I'm really not looking forward to this.
Also I so strongly agree with the fact that SJM is a shallow and extremely biased writer. It comes through so clearly in her works and fans just eat it up (wth, do they not have their own brains).
It's rather sad that she cannot separate her own life and hatred from the character that is Tamlin, which she created. I would understand if she created him to be this monster that deserved no forgiveness or love but she often showed us his humanity that was shrouded in this constant battle he had going on in his head. And for those of us who pay attention and remember those moments you cannot convince us that he's this big bad wolf whose only aim in life is to blow Feyre's pretty lavish palace down. And to make his people suffer.
If she hates him so much then stop giving us glimpses of hope. Stop writing of Spring all together. Just be like Tamlin married this bimbo, they rule Spring together, its an utter shit hole and be done with it. Just stop writing about Spring and focus on the stories from the 6 other courts. Let us fans write our own fanfics and call it canon lol
And bloody decided if you want Lucien to still be friends with Tamlin or not. I really don't know where Lucien stands right now. Does he despise Tam, does he feel pity, is there some sense of duty since Tam helped him after Jess, he feels like he needs to somehow stick around with Tam. I really don't feel much love between the two. Tam pushed him away so I don't blame Lucien for maybe not wanting to come back. But is there anything left, is there some love there to rekindle. I desperately want there to be something left but I really dont know if there is anything left....
In ACOSF - The Rhysand defending thing was such an eyeroll. I get he's your High Lord, I get that hes your best friend, he's your brother. But that blind kind of worship when your mate has been badly affected by him, when she says a bad word about him (btw I simply loved how Nesta hated him, it gave me life) ... but yeah that was unnatural especially since she's his mate. He did a 180 flip out on her.
Mor.... idk but this girl always rubs me the wrong way. I just want to smack the smugness from this groups face! They think they're so clever and righteous its so frustrating.
And I really didn't like how Rhys now suddenly worships the ground that Nesta walks on - like ok, I get it, she saved your wife and child, you'd be grateful but to eliminate all that hate you saved for her.... weird. Also why did Nesta accept it so easily, he never apologized. Was she secretly desperate to be apart of the inner circle. And this was her way in so she'll take it even though they all hated her and never apologized for their behavior or make up for it..... I dont get it, sigh
About the ACOTAR casting I am actually worried about who is gonna be casted as Nesta and Tamlin.We all know how toxic this fandom is and I'm worried that the actors of Tam and Nesta will receive a shit ton of hate all because they were just doing their JOBS.
@Ashara - I feel like Mor is a product of SJM's indecisiveness. Just the romance alone. I've followed her on Pinterest for ages, before ACOTAR came out, and I remember seeing pictures of couples literally labeled "Mor and Cassian" in the ACOTAR folder - which later got changed to "Mor and Azriel." Same pictures, just switched the guys, and they were 100% romantic pictures.I also think she wanted to write a poly relationship between those three so she gave those vibes without fully committing. (And if I'm honest, she probably should have. I will die on the hill that Nesta would have ended up High Lady of the Autumn Court, either with Lucien or Eris.)
I don't dislike Mor, but I really hope SJM isn't planning one of the novels to be her pov. We know there's at least 2 full novels, which will be dual pov and center on a romance each. I think they'll be Az/Elain next, and I hope Lucien/Vassa after that. Because to me, Mor works better as a side character like Amren. Plus, I can't see anyone sharing a pov with her but Eris, and they're obviously not ending up together. Mor isn't really connected to the plot like say, Vassa.
I would LOVE for Tamlin to have a book or even novella, but I'd be happy for him to play a large role in Lucien's book should he join the band of exiles. (I really would like him to find love though.)
Sarah wrote: "About the ACOTAR casting I am actually worried about who is gonna be casted as Nesta and Tamlin.We all know how toxic this fandom is and I'm worried that the actors of Tam and Nesta will receive ..."
I'm sure every actor will receive hate. Unfortunately this is common with fandoms. So many actors get off social media after taking roles that have a fandom following. People are asshats.
I'm actually looking forward to it in a way, only because I do like seeing books made into movies/shows. I never see them as "ruining" the books - the books will always be the books. I just worry about the budget/production. Fantasy, especially teen fantasy, can come across super cheesy. If its handled with a more serious/mature tone like Game of Thrones and the Witcher, it'll be more successful, I think. I mean it SHOULD be, technically the characters are all older.
Is the whole triology to be fimed?
Somehow I feel Elain helping restore the rosegarden in Spring will help Tamlin heal? There are some hints in acsf that the Spring Court would suit Elain. It feels alive and she don't like the Court of Nightmares. She is a grover of flowers and garden restorer? Lucien still has a relation to Spring and I would like Helion to stay around for a long time!
Magdalena wrote: "Is the whole triology to be fimed?"Not sure. For all we know the show might not even take off or it might get cancelled after the first season.
I'm fine with either one. I just want to watch the whole thing burn and crash to the ground
I do like Cassian's nickname for Lucian. Fireling! Just used one but still nice!
Sarah wrote: "Magdalena wrote: "Is the whole triology to be fimed?"Not sure. For all we know the show might not even take off or it might get cancelled after the first season.
I'm fine with either one. I just..."
I am not sure if it is good filming material. It will not have A Game of Thrones budget. The Seasonal Courts have beautiful settings that should be made justice. There is not much interesting politics in acotar. So it will just be some shoddy faerie tale with a love triangle and sex. Urgh! I want to see Tamlin's POV for just once.
I'm curious how they'll handle Tamlin. IMO characters tend to often translate better on screen. As in, they're more likable, even ones you couldn't stand in the book, bc the actor brings a bit more nuance. If they plan on doing things with Tamlin in the future (in the show) they won't villainize him completely, I don't think.I agree though Magdalena, without a high budget, it could struggle. I think TOG probably would have translated better to screen, personally. Its a bit more Game of Thrones-like. Though if we're honest, ACOTAR really at is basic level is beauty and the beast, which many people love. Again though, its one thing to have a Hulu budget and not a Disney budget.
I'm also curious how Shadow and Bone will do.
This is very true. i agree that vilifying of a character that seemed to be sufferring from clinical depression ,making his mistakes unredeemable after all that he has faced and suffered through was wrong.
We already have Disney's Beauty and the Beast that I still love to watch. Then we have "Beastly" that I hate. Anyone here that has read the book or watch the movie? Acotar have more substance I hope.
I've been thinking about this for the past couple of weeks and I'm going to give you my prediction for Tam's character in this show.I bet you a nickel and an eternity that Tam's character is going to be the twisted version sarah has molded him into the fans' heads now rather than the REAL Tam of ACOTAR. And of course Rhys is going to be perfect because who doesn't love a good enemies to lovers? Except whoops Feyre and Rhys's story is not enemies to lovers in any shape or form and I will die on that hill. They are really going to drive home the point that Tam is actually an abuser and that Rhys is the misunderstood hero and I bet you another nickel and eternity that Rhys' lines and assaulting Feyre will be entirely glossed over. I bet you ANYTHING that it's going to go exactly like that. I could write the damn screenplay myself.
The story is going to be soooo convoluted and biased. I'm already disgusted with this fandom enough, I don't want to deal with dumb people glorifying Rhysand and vilifying poor Tam, which is a narrative completely created by Sarah. I think part of the toxicity of this fandom stemmed from her--but that's for another post!
What's interesting to me that I realized the other day was that sarah initially was going to have Feyre and Tamlin be endgame. So following that logic for the first ACOTAR book, Tamlin was clearly not a bad guy. Everyone likes to use ACOTAR as 'proof' that Tam was abusive and horrible since the beginning but that couldn't be farther from the truth if he was considered as a love interest for a sjm main character. And I love the selectional evidence by this terrible fandom, using ACOTAR as proof that Tam was always bad but never mentioning what Rhys did. The physical and mental abuse he caused Feyre. Suddenly that's justifiable!!
Not to mention their stupid argument that gets on my nerves, that is also reinforced by sjm, that Rhys was the one to save Feyre from Amarantha and was the one who suffered the most by her and blah blah blah. He only helped her occasionally because he would get something out of it for one, and two he hardly did anything to save Feyre before Amarantha killed her!!! It was Tamlin who killed her in the end, not Rhys!! Think of all the mental anguish that came from that for him. But no, Tam's mental health doesn't matter.
Of course, it doesn't excuse him from the emotional neglect he gives Feyre in the second book but it sure as hell doesn't mean that Rhysand is any better than him. Or less deserving of redemption. The more I read about sjm the more I believe she's going to continue to do him dirty. After ACOTAR is over I don't think I'm going to continue reading any of her books.
Julianna wrote: "I've been thinking about this for the past couple of weeks and I'm going to give you my prediction for Tam's character in this show.I bet you a nickel and an eternity that Tam's character is goin..." I completely agree, tamlin will definitely be further deviled by the toxic fans who cant look past feyres perspective. Not to mention that earlier in this conversation it was easily mentioned that in today's standards feyre would be a psychopath.
Not to mention all of the IC are the very definition of 'toxic males' and Feyre is a huge narcissist. But the fans portray her as a selfless, self-sacrificing, wonderful heroine. It never escapes me how the die-hard feysand fans like to pick and choose what is right and wrong, who is good and who is evil. And they have the audacity to say people who don't hate Tamlin are the toxic ones. sarah's favorite characters have the exact characteristics she supposedly preaches against. And she gives the readers an illusion of free-will in judging characters when she clearly dictates the narrative for the readers instead of allowing us to make our own decisions, maybe she's afraid we'll all 'like the wrong character' which I think is what has contributed to such toxicity in this fandom.
The wait for the next book is going to be painful. I just need to know what happens to Tam, that's it at this point.
At this rate I just want Sarah J Maas to just stop fucking around and just kill Tamlin. Like what's the point?? If you hate him THAT much then just KILL him. Majority of your fans wouldn't mind, in fact they would celebrate! As for me I just don't want him to suffer anymore. Seeing him dead is better than seeing him being pulled back in again for a small cameo in every book only for him to get beat up verbally by the oh so amazing and wonderful IC
I think she's saving a story for him. It doesn't seem like his story is over. Can't be.. can it? SJM was too harsh with him (overboard) so I understood that to mean that she wanted us to empathize with him, make him relatable. I read in one of her bios that she has had her own journey with mental health, I don't think she'd leave a character down like that. He now has this huge, unfinished backstory.. I don't see it ending for him this way.
I've seen other people mention that Feyre is basically a self-insert of SJM. So I wouldn't put it past her to leave Tamlin where he is if she's basically associated him with a previous abuser she had in her life as a form of wish fulfillment.
Val wrote: " So I wouldn't put it past her to leave Tamlin where he is if she's basically associated him with a previous abuser she had in her life as a form of wish fulfillment."See this is what happens if you base your works too much on personal experience. You don't actually think of the insert characters as their own people with flaws, desires or motivations. They just become mouthpieces to hammer in the narrative you want to display. Nevermind the fact that many characters have the potential to be very well done, if the author just .... wrote them like other more successful writers do.
I really don't want him to die. I know it would end the verbal backlash on him but gosh my heart would just break. There's a theory going around that maybe Lucien will somehow take over Spring and rule as High Lord with Elain. I love Lucien to bits but I'm not sure why most of the fandom are so keen to strip everything away from Tamlin. I know they hate him so passionately but I wonder how they don't feel an ounce of pity for the state that he is in.
Why is help pushed for and cheered on when Feyre was drowning in her nightmares and her trauma of under the mountain, when Nesta destroyed all her relationships because of her trauma that stemmed from her childhood days. Yet it's frowned upon and not considered for Tamlin who risked everything to save the girl he was in love with from a monster who wasn't a monster and a girl who didn't love nor want saving. And in this process lost everything, lost himself even. He has trauma's that predates Feyre's or Nesta's birth, there's some deep rooted hurt in him and yet he is found unworthy of any form of help, redemption, healing.
I think SJMs own mental healing was expressed in Feyre/Nesta. I think she's too blinded by hatred to see that Tamlin is also struggling, also worthy of help. His mental struggles are not pretty, are self destructive (very much like Nesta). His journey doesn't need to involve the IC or Feyre, he could have his own story and people, friends that help him (which doesnt need to be fleshed out like the others but can be implied).
I think the most disappointing for me is Tamlin's story in acowar's ended with "Be happy, Feyre". It made me think that despite everything, he finally let her go in peace and he can move on with his life as well. And from there you could draw your own conclusions as to how Tamlin's life went. SJM could have chosen to leave him out of the story all together from that point onwards. Only refer to him if need be. But she chose to make his situation awful in acofas and then it got even more worse than I could have imagined in acosf. I really dont know if she's setting him up for a healing arc or a death arc. I will forever hope for better days for him but only the next book will tell.
Nicko, you’re exactly right. Imo Nestas journey is clearly SJM projecting because her story did a 180 from what I expected. I think Elains story will be the strongest, because she’s so different thank Feyre and Nesta and I don’t see SJM self inserting.Having said that, I will be pissed if Lucien ends up taking over Spring. My theory is he will actually end up High King and Vassa will be High Queen. (He’s got the most connections to all the courts. A current High Lord can’t do that job without looking like another Hybern anyway.)
If SJM redeemed Nesta, Lorcan, even Eris, surely she will Tamlin (who never had cruel or bad intentions). I don’t get why she refuses to acknowledge his trauma and how she can be such a hypocrite. He must be based on someone personal for her. Which is never a good idea.
WinterRose wrote: "He must be based on someone personal for her. Which is never a good idea."Never is. Also if it weren't plagiarism, I'd rewrite the entirity of the series from limited 3rd person POV instead of 1st person and explore the characteristic potential of these characters. All characters. And also acknowlege the fact that some of the characters are petty, vindictive, selfish and general shit human beings when it's warranted.
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SJM's charcters really reflect her work, Feyre and Rhys like her, are shallow and un willing to see or even acknowledge perspective. Not to mention the fact that I hate Feyre, she is extremely manipulative and has no sympathy for anyone. Not to mention that as long as it benefits her she throws caution to the wind and at others faces.