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Sally, you're much too reasonable for this debate. From what I understand you're supposed to scream as loud as you can and point your finger a lot. Also, don't forget to drop the word "socialism" every other sentence and ask if your grandmother will have to get permission from a panel of gay liberals to live past sixty-five.
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Health care does need to be reformed, not just for the uninsured, but for the insured as well. I keep hearing the argument, "I like my health plan and don't want it to change." Fine. But, I bet a lot of those people haven't needed any really serious care. It took me 1-1/2 years to get a pubic ramii fracture repaired. It got diagnosed as a groin pull, no x-ray or anything. After a couple months of pain, I got sent to physical therapy. PT made it worse. Still, no x-ray. Then, I finally got to an orthopedic. He missed the fracture. The next step was a physiatrist. My husband demanded an MRI from her, the radiologist found the fracture and I was sent back to the orthopedist. He didn't know how to fix it, so this is where the insurance broke down. I had to go on my own to find a doctor who specialized in the kind of fracture I had. It took a couple of months to get a referral. He's at UCLA and not part of my medical group, so it requires special authorization. He prescribed a bone growth stimulator and told me to come back in two months. Two months later, I don't have my referral for the follow-up. I find this out the day before my appointment. I call the group. They say to go to my appointment, the referral should be approved by the time I get there. I get there and the insurance has rejected the follow-up and referred me back to the orthopedic who didn't know what to do with me. It was another 4 months of battling to get back to the doctor at UCLA. Every time the doctor's office has submitted for approvals for follow-ups, the insurance has claimed that they never got the request, even though the doctor's office has the fax or online confirmation. I finally got surgery to fix the fracture, but it was a major pain in the ass. I honestly don't see how national health care can work much worse than that.
RA---you're absolutely right!!! I've tried having reasonable conversations with people about this and within five seconds all I hear is "Canada" and "socialism."
I am uninsured, so according to Sean Hannity, I either spend all my money on partying or I'm an illegal immigrant.
I am uninsured, so according to Sean Hannity, I either spend all my money on partying or I'm an illegal immigrant.
All bitching about Fox News aside, I want to go on record as saying Alisyn Camerota makes my knees weak:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F-2ybd60FlE...
i love how RA can take any social issue and reduce it to how hot the girl on the deal is.NEWS FLASH! TYPHOON DESTROYS ISLAND. FIRES FLOODS PESTILENCE !
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Armageddon aside, that chick clinging to the tree in the 200mph winds wearing the coconut bra was HOT
Heh. David used to give me shit about that, too...in fairness, I usually wait until after I've said something about the social issue at hand and THEN bring up the, ahem, other factors...
yeah...."sorry about the bubonic plague epidemic in the Czech Republic but YOW-ZA! did you see the legs on that reporter in the short skirt?"
I think there is some kind of implant in men's brains that make them zero in on female body parts. It reminds me of that dog in the movie UP. "Squirrel?!!" Only with guys it's, "Boobies?"
And on the healthcare issue.... all I can say is Aaaaarrrrrgghhhh!!! I'm currently getting my meds from Canada. If it wasn't so cold there, I'd consider moving.
RA, ever notice how Fox News is all about parading hot-looking teleprompter readers? They must breed these tall, blonde, ravishing cheekboned bimbos in a farm somewhere.
(Yes, I said "bimbos". They seem to be as intelligent and insightful as a beauty pageant contestant. Sex sells, even in the newsrooms.)
(Yes, I said "bimbos". They seem to be as intelligent and insightful as a beauty pageant contestant. Sex sells, even in the newsrooms.)
I'd go with "Stepford wives" but I don't think all of them are married.
Reading off the teleprompter is no easy task. Nor is operating it. I speak from experience. :)
I've noticed that female reporters who were brunette before, all of a sudden are blonde when they move to Fox. Greta Van Susteren, for example.
hence the name of the network jacks. stone cold....
It reminds me of the song "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley:We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
I think there is some kind of implant in men's brains that make them zero in on female body parts. Heh, heh, heh!
In the name of scientific investigation and astronomic inaccuracies , someone has to do it...of course with Dirty Laundry blowin' in the wind.
Well, I'm glad you guys finally got down to the heart of the matter, because the flesh will get weak, and the ashes will scatter, but I think it's about forgiveness.
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I can't remember where the other discussion is, so I decided this is the most appropriate place to post this link:A Cancer Survivor's Story
Wow (read the comments, too).
Wow! You're all making sense about the health care issue. I've even heard from two long time friends the socialism b.s. I like you guys!I don't care for my insurance. It's a small issue compared to others but I just paid a $50 copay for a standard inhaler for asthma. It's the same inhaler I've used since I was 8 and I worked in a pharmacy and know for a fact the inhaler used to cost $20 without insurance.
The pharmaceutical company's excuse is that they made it more environmentally friendly. The only thing they did was make it smaller. I only need to get one once a year and I'm not making a lot of money but I'm making well over minimum wage. So no sweat off my back. But it's a blantant example of price gouging!
And my vision insurance. I've used it, it's ok but in looking for a new optometrist I found a lot of offices that would not take my insurance because they're corrupt. They even changed their name last year. Hmmm...
The health insurance and pharmaceutical companies have been given the legal right to bend us all over. I think if it's something people need it should be regulated. Nuff said!
Sandi, that is an awful story! So far my insurance has been pretty good about paying the exorbitant bills from MRIs, docs and the hefty $10,000/mo infusion I get for MS. But we're about to be up for renewal, and just yesterday I was getting anxious because I'm sure they'll quadruple the price or tell us we're no longer eligible for the same plan. And mind you, Richard is an SCorp which means we have to pay all insurance premiums ourselves, and they seem to double in price every year. As for the $10,000 drug, that's just pitiful. So people with MS who don't have insurance or their plans don't cover it can't get treated and are basically being told tough shit, you'll have to just suck it up and progress to a wheelchair, which, BTW, we won't cover either.
::stands behind Sally, standing behind Bun::
Even those who have insurance get ripped off.For example, yu have amedical condition as I do and have taken the same medication for the last few years. It controls you condition well, with few side effects.
Then, the inusrance compnay sends you a little note saying "The following medications are no longer covered..."
The substitue they recommend is the medicine I took previously; my doctor decidied it was not really working for me. So, I can go back to the old medicine--which is not as effective but they will cover OR buy the meidcine that does work full price. That price, bts , is $196 for 30 tabltes.
Yes, I am working, but I don't make enough money to drop $196 every thirty days on one bottle of pills.
And, I make too much money for government aid.
Has anyone heard any more information about this supposed fee and penalty for not having insurance? I've googled and it's not bringing me anywhere useful.I don't have insurance. At this point, I don't foresee myself having health insurance for another few years. I'm just going to have to completely forego fixing any of my problems, physical and mental.*
*Unless, you know, people will see me at a reduced rate. Which they aren't now, because the need for reduced rates is too great, so even Planned Parenthoods, which used to be able to give women sliding scales and see some women completely free, are unable to do that.
Nothing is set yet, Angie. It's a long way from being anything you can say is established as what will be in the final law.
Angie wrote: "Has anyone heard any more information about this supposed fee and penalty for not having insurance? I've googled and it's not bringing me anywhere useful.I don't have insurance. At this point, I ..."
I believe that's in the Senate Finance Committee's bill. However, there are a lot of dems in the house that have stated they are against it. It doesn't look like it'll make the final bill.
God forbid maybe the kids had a medical condition that caused them to be too fat or thin that could be corrected. Hell we wouldn't want that to happen. Just reject them...effing brilliant.
Ugh, that's just awful.I understand that it is often a "business" concern-- if you are extremely obese, you are likely to suffer more health problems, thus, cost the insurance company more. Likewise, if you're a smoker, have diabetes, the list goes on and on. It seems like many health insurance companies want to insure *perfectly healthy people* because it means they won't have to really cover them, when it's the *not so perfectly healthy* people who need the insurance the most.
But really, children? I've seen some extremely obese children, but children grow at all different rates!!
Why, I think it's the greatest business plan ever! All profit, no loss! :P
Misha, you have indeed uncovered the major insurance conspiracy at the heart of all conspiracies. I would suggest that you now relocate yourself and family to Sweden for amnesty, cause otherwise a rabble of ninja-insurance-workers could be knocking on your door to extract you to their undergrownd lairs of torture. (I believe they employ methods such as endless hours of watching Glenn Beck with Celine Dion singing in the background) Beware!Knock, knock Aw crap, too late...
Cosmic Sher wrote: "I believe they employ methods such as endless hours of watching Glenn Beck with Celine Dion singing in the background..."Why, God? Whyyyyyy? The horror!!
I know Jaimie, it's really scary, isn't it?
Cosmic Sher wrote: "I know Jaimie, it's really scary, isn't it?"The stuff of nightmares! :-)
Immediately after college I waited tables and hostessed for roughly 2.5 years. I ended that time thousands of dollars in debt, with no credit and no salary or career. I moved home and went to beauty school, with the hopes of landing a long-term job with benefits - including health care. Two years after beauty school, (5 years post college) I was still without any gainful margin, and without an employer with a health care plan for his employees.
In that time I worked for, say, 20 different restaurants/bars/salons/super cuts. Every one of those employers paid their workers sub-minimum wage paychecks - to the fiddle of 2.35 dollars an hour. Once I was rolling in the dough when my paycheck was 6.80 an hour.
This means all else I made was cash tips - paid "under the table" and what I reported was what I paid taxes on.
Point being, I earned enough not to qualify for medicaid/medicare, but not enough to be able to afford a monthly 1,500 solo or COBRA insurance plan.
Right now I'm an employee of a state university, so I have some form of the student health insurance. When I graduate: who knows?