Outlanders Series Buddy Read - Beginning Aug. 2014 Spoiler Zone

[Sandra]

Dang! I know what you mean, Dawn...I was thinking NO Jamie - don't touch her. But it did set up the scene where he goes to Claire to try to make things right.

And this is just me, but I was thinking Claire was holding a grudge about the spanking a little too long, a little too childishly to me. I know it was dramatic for her but I kept thinking that she needed to remember the time period she was now living in, the customs, & the fact that she has endangered them all with her actions.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Me too...and I think they handled "the scene" very well.

Claire must have a huge wardrobe...her clothes kept getting ripped off. And we did get a peek or two of Jamie! ;)"

LOL!!!! I was thinking something similar about her wardrobe:)

[Sandra]

For real! She practically did this show in the nude! haha

[Jonetta]

Dawn wrote: "OMG! I watched it four times and made myself stop at the fifth. I love being on the West Coast. I got to watch it starting at 6 pm my time lol. There were some pretty significant changes to the or..."

I'm not sure I saw him being...tempted...and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He was down in the dumps, thinking his situation with Claire was irreparable. And, he didn't want to hurt the slut's feelings:)

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Dang! I know what you mean, Dawn...I was thinking NO Jamie - don't touch her. But it did set up the scene where he goes to Claire to try to make things right.

And this is just me, but I was thi..."

Claire is a strong-willed, independent woman even for her normal era (1946) and that spanking had to have been humiliating. She also sees Jamie as being different from all those in the clan. It was a huge setback for her. I was proud when she saw just how painful the situation was for him and how he was led as much by fear as custom.

I called it a draw for both of them and loved how they found their way back to each other. That fight, though, was amazing.

I can't stand Laoghair.

[Sandra]

Yes, I'm sure it was humiliating. She can be very defiant and of course, we know she still feels the need to return home...sometimes. I just keep thinking - Are you crazy?! I'd take Jamie anyway I could get him! lol

[Sandra]

And I think they did an awesome job on the makeup scene. I don't think that was any easier on Jamie than it was Claire. Both had to give, both had to put aside some very basic, in-grained beliefs. They met in the middle as they should.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Yes, I'm sure it was humiliating. She can be very defiant and of course, we know she still feels the need to return home...sometimes. I just keep thinking - Are you crazy?! I'd take Jamie anyway..."

Lol! Though, they've done a GREAT job making Frank appealing.

[Jonetta]

I agree, Sandra. Their meeting in the middle looked so natural. It's what makes them such a great couple.

[Sandra]

I agree they have "softened" Frank a little. But I just don't like him for some reason. There's something about him that just turns me off...and creeps me out just a little. But he did in the book also, so it's not the show. He's actually more likable in the show.

[Karen ♐]

Was anyone else holding their breath when Jamie had saved her from Black Jack and they were riding on the horses. I kept thinking, oh no, here comes the spanking! I thought in the book it was before they got back to the keep. So I wondered if they were possibly going to leave that out. In the book I thought that Claire was more accepting of the punishment than in the show. Love how Jamie was asking her what f*cking and sadist meant. It reminds us how different their world was. And when he was trying to explain to her that her actions could result in someone getting killed.

[Dawn]

The spanning was before they went back to the keep in the book. It was one of those major changes I was talking about. I understood since we still have a lot of book to cover and only 7 hours to do it in. I keep wondering how they are going to manage the longer books. Outlander is the shortest I think. Of course that is me being optimistic and assuming we will get 8 seasons out of this lol

[Jonetta]

I could be wrong but I thought the spanking happened back at the keep, not at the inn.

I listened to Ron Moore's commentary and he said there was no way they were going to chicken out and omit the spanking. He said it is what it is, some will understand it, some won't (or something like that).

I can't remember how long Claire stayed angry in the book but I think if you're filming this, given what we experience of Claire's personality, it wouldn't have rung authentic if she hadn't gotten as upset as she did. It had to be dramatic because it was a huge moment in their relationship.

[Jonetta]

Dawn wrote: "The spanning was before they went back to the keep in the book. It was one of those major changes I was talking about. I understood since we still have a lot of book to cover and only 7 hours to do..."

But didn't the spanking last night happen before they got back to the keep?

[Sandra]

I think the spanking is huge to the relationship and the book. It forced a confrontation between them that led to the setting of some boundaries for their future and lines that should/shouldn't be crossed. I think it also brought them both to the realization that they are miserable apart and could trust each other moving forward.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "I think the spanking is huge to the relationship and the book. It forced a confrontation between them that led to the setting of some boundaries for their future and lines that should/shouldn't be..."

Perfect!

[Dawn]

Oh maybe it did. The reconciliation happened afterwards. The whole part about Colum knowing about the Jacobite gold was added.

[Jonetta]

It's been too long since I read the book for me to recollect that one, Dawn. I don't even remember that issue.

[Aj]

i love the series and love the tv series... watched the 1st episode of 2nd part last night.... love jaimie.....

[Dawn]

It was never discussed in the book. In fact he doesn't even mention the Stuarts until the second book. Outlander stops before the rebellion.

[Jonetta]

No wonder I don't remember it. Does that mean the Rents episode was sort of made up?

[Dawn]

Nope they went out and did all of that but there are no scenes in the book about Colum knowing about it. The part about Claire having dinner with any British soldiers is made up. They went to the inn but it was Black Jack in control. Also the part where she gets back to the stones. She was captured trying but she didn't succeed.

[Jonetta]

Just a reminder...

If you have STARZ on Demand, the next episode, By the Pricking of My Thumbs, is available now. And it starts off steamy!

[Karen ♐]

Thanks, Jonetta. Hubby and I just watched it! Another fantastic episode!

[Maggie]

Watching the 1st episode now. Are there just 8.5 books in the series? I saw the last one is from 2012, is it done? Thinking of reading the 1st book.

[Jonetta]

The last one, Book #8, was released last year. The novella was issued before this book.

[Dawn]

Omg! They totally changed the events in this episode. I think I will stay away from the Outlander Group for a while. They will be having tantrums.

[Jonetta]

So that's why so much was unfamiliar!

[Karen ♐]

I kept saying to my hubby, it didn't happen that way in the book!

[Jonetta]

Did that meeting happen with the Duke?

[Karen ♐]

No, and there was no duel.

[Sandra]

Season 1 stuck closer to the book storyline. There did seem to be more changed in tonight's episode. It was good but varied from the book more.

And that opening scene...OMG!!! I sat there watching that and thought my, my...that had to be fun filming! ;) And probably embarrassing. haha May I say they did a very good job...acting. lol

[Karen ♐]

I loved it and how they got to the same point but in a different way. That opening scene was so good...

[Jonetta]

Karen ♐ wrote: "No, and there was no duel."

Good to know because I was completely lost.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "And that opening scene...OMG!!! I sat there watch..."

Okay...don't you wonder about the filming? They look so...into it:)

It smoked!

[Jonetta]

I listened to the commentary and Moore is setting up for what comes later, I think in Season 2.

I am seriously hating Laoghair.

[Sandra]

Oh me too...hate her right now!

[Sandra]

They certainly have no problem with the ladies & partial nudity filming this one. I think we need a little more showing with the guys...okay, with one guy - Jamie!

[Sandra]

Although, I have to say, I cringe every time they show his back...and hate Randall even more.

[Karen ♐]

When I was reading the book, I don't remember disliking her so much.

[Sandra]

Me either, Karen...it seemed more like I felt a little sorry for her. But not in the TV show! She is a sneaky, conniving B.

[Jonetta]

I do remember her being conniving. Having a visual makes it more impactful.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Although, I have to say, I cringe every time they show his back...and hate Randall even more."

Me, too.

[Jonetta]

Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "They certainly have no problem with the ladies & partial nudity filming this one. I think we need a little more showing with the guys...okay, with one guy - Jamie!"

He came close...once...but the shadows...:) I have this sneaking suspicion that we'll probably see more of him when we don't want to, you know?

[Karen ♐]

I agree, Sandra. His back makes me cringe too. Whenever I think about all that will happen, I wonder how they will portray it.

[Dawn]

Oh I hated her in the book but not really until she told Claire to go to see Gellis. There was so much changed in this episode I was yelling at the TV. In the book the Duke comes to the keep and they go hunting. No meeting with Claire. No meeting with Jamie. No duel. Dougal's wife does not die until after Gellis gives birth to the baby. There is a confrontation between them over her pregnancy but they never name Gellis and Claire actually walks away thinking it is Laoghaire who is pregnant with his child. The husband is poisoned and they are arrested for witchcraft. That's about it.

[Jonetta]

Thanks for that summary. In the episode, I was left with the impression that all that wild behavior by Dougal after his wife's death was put on, for show. Did I get that right?

[Dawn]

Yes. He was told during the big dinner but he didn't freak out. In fact it totally didn't make sense with the following scenes with him declaring his love for Geliis. I watched it three times and that one point really stuck with me. That and the split between him and Colum. In the book it was not that noticeable. Oh! And no where in any of the books does Dougal admit to being Hamish's' father.

[Sandra]

Kinda makes you wonder how much more the script will deviate from the book. I'm hoping not too much. The book is exciting enough - and suspenseful as written.

[Jonetta]

Dawn's a great fact checker:)

I'm not really upset...yet...with his deviations because I'm understanding some of these relationships better. I'd imagine it would be tough to literally convey some of the subtleties of the story.