The Walt Longmire Book Series & TV Show Group discussion

note: This topic has been closed to new comments.
43 views
Discussion Topics > Thoughts on Counting Coup Episode.

Comments Showing 1-31 of 31 (31 new)    post a comment »
dateDown arrow    newest »

message 1: by Sierra (last edited Jul 29, 2014 01:43PM) (new)

Sierra What an episode!

Created another thread to comment on The Ferg's behavior.

Vic didn't hesitate to sign those divorce papers!

Who took Walt's Bronco? David Ridges?
Will whomever it was run into Branch stranded on the road and will Branch capture whoever it is?

It was Sam Poteet, the white Warrior, that Walt killed right?

So does Walt think it was Jacob behind his wife's death after all and Jacob set him up to be killed at the women's trailer, playing him? Was the phone left in David's car on purpose to set the ambush of Walt in motion?

So surprised Henry set the Red Pony on fire! I'm surprised they are portraying Henry as kinda throwing in the towel.

Cady is virtually useless as Henry's lawyer. Something is up with Cady's lawyer friend. He seems to be there to get Henry to take a plea. Is he in on the conspiracy?

Just can't believe only 1 episode left this season. I love this show!


message 2: by Kismet (new)

Kismet | 12 comments Sierra wrote: "What an episode!

Created another thread to comment on The Ferg's behsvior.

Vic didn't hesitate to sign those divorce papers!

Who took Walt's Bronco? David Ridges?
Will whomever it was run into B..."


I wish the TV Cady was more like the book Cady when it comes to practicing law. TV Cady is inexperienced and unsure where the book Cady would have been in control.

I'm surprised by Henry too. Seems like a lot of the characters this season are behaving in unexpected ways.

I need to watch this one again!


message 3: by Kim (new)

Kim | 14 comments I literally did a happy dance when Vic asked for a pen!

Yeah, I'm confused on who took the Bronco and now I'm confused who Walt killed (I thought it was Ridges, I hadn't thought about Poteet). I believe Jacob and Malachi are behind Martha's death but I haven't settled on who is exactly pulling the strings. I'm leaning towards Jacob).

The "best legal mind" is a disaster (and poor Henry knows it). I'm not convinced her lawyer friend is involved in framing Henry but just being pragmatic with the cards in hand. Really sucky that it seems the judge can be bought (they should ask for the trial to be moved to Denver, you know, where the crime happened).

Interesting that Barlow locked Branch in his room (if he was that concerned that he would do something crazy, why not just leave him in jail?).

There's a lot of questions in the air, not sure how they are going to address in 43 min next week.


message 4: by Susan (new)

Susan (mtnred) | 47 comments Poteet?! I never thought of him. Now I have to go watch it again. That would be a twist and a half. OK, now I can't wait for next week.

Cady - blah. Where's the greatest legal mind of our time?

Someone with a lot of power is pulling strings in the background, getting Malachi paroled, Henry messed up in jail, moving up trial dates... Something is definitely rotten. I can't imagine the Henry from the books giving up like that.


message 5: by Joy (new)

Joy Walker | 13 comments Last week I was convinced it was Malachi/Nighthorse. Now it looks like that theory is blown. I've been thinking back over the different characters that Walt has confronted since the show started to try & come up with who would/could pull this off.

Could it actually be Barlow? He has the power & money. He certainly has the motive - he hates Walt. Would he really go to these extremes to protect the Connelly name & legacy? There has to be a reason Lucian does not like Barlow. Does Lucian have the key that can answer Walt's questions? In episode 5 (Wanted Man) Lucian gave Walt a very peculiar look when he found out that Martha had been murdered in Denver. I'm curious if Peter Weller is going to be in the finale.


message 6: by Tammy, Moderator (last edited Jul 29, 2014 04:33PM) (new)

Tammy Hanson (sdflash32) | 23 comments Mod
Joy I came up wit h same thought. There is know love lose between Walt and Barlow and he is defiantly jealous of Branch liking Walt in any little way. Walt is also friends with his brother and hes probably mad about that also.


message 7: by Sierra (new)

Sierra Tammy wrote: "Joy I came up wit h same thought. There is know love lose between Walt and Barrlow and he is deffenatly jelouis of Branch liking Walt in any little way. Walt is also friends with his brother and he..."

Do you think Barlow would have Branch shot or do you think Branch's shooting was unrelated to the larger conspiracy? I just don't think Barlow would allow Branch to be shot or partner with Indians like getting Malachi out etc.. He seems to hold prejudices against the Cheyenne.


message 8: by Kim (new)

Kim | 14 comments Hmm, as if Branch's job isn't already in jeopardy, imagine if it's his Dad that is behind his boss' wife's murder! Barlow is a giant pain in the tuchus and not shy about throwing his weight around to get his way but, I'm not quite convinced he'd stoop to murder. I still think it's Nighthorse. He has manipulated so many people to do his bidding.


message 9: by Lorelei (new)

Lorelei Hawkins | 30 comments I think we are in for a MAJOR surprise !!!!! I just look at who is going to be in next week's episode on IMDB.com and it is surprising and is probably SHOCKING.


message 10: by Mark (new)

Mark | 34 comments I believe Jacob is involved, but he isn't the mastermind. Malachi is a henchman, a powerful well connected one, but nothing more. There is still someone out there who is pulling the strings.


message 11: by Sierra (new)

Sierra Lorelei wrote: "I think we are in for a MAJOR surprise !!!!! I just look at who is going to be in next week's episode on IMDB.com and it is surprising and is probably SHOCKING."

I agree it will be someone we don't know about. Jacob and Malachi are involved but not the mastermind.


message 12: by Lorelei (new)

Lorelei Hawkins | 30 comments I think it's an unnamed investor in Barlow's casino who is the connection/$$$ between Barlow and Nighthorse/Malachi


message 13: by Mark (new)

Mark | 34 comments I just don't see how those two could have had the influence to pull all of this together. There has to be a "White" connection involved. Native Americans, even with casino money just don't have the power to have the DA and judge change a trial date that much or control a prison run by a county.


message 14: by Mark (new)

Mark | 34 comments I still can't see Barlow working with Nighthorse. Barlow has too much too lose working with a newcomer to the area like Jacob. He is too proud of the family name in Wyoming to risk it. I think he is capable of doing almost anything - but he wouldn't work with Indians.


message 15: by Susan (new)

Susan Stalnaker | 15 comments Sierra wrote: "What an episode!

Created another thread to comment on The Ferg's behavior.

Vic didn't hesitate to sign those divorce papers!

Who took Walt's Bronco? David Ridges?
Will whomever it was run into B..."


Sierra wrote: "What an episode

Spoiler!!
I also thought Poteet was the white warrior who attacked Walt with Ridges driving away in the bronco but a member of another message said the writter Sarah Jones confirmed that Ridges was the white warrior that Walt killed. I watched the segment in slow mo and the last frame did look more like Ridges. I think the rest of the attack was done by a stunt man who did a terrific job. Now I wonder if it's Poteet in the bronco and if he will have a showdown with Branch.

Created another thread to comment on The Ferg's behavior.

Vic didn't hesitate to sign those divorce papers!

Who took Walt's Bronco? David Ridges?
Will whomever it was run into B..."


Sierra wrote: "What an episode!

Created another thread to comment on The Ferg's behavior.

Vic didn't hesitate to sign those divorce papers!

Who took Walt's Bronco? David Ridges?
Will whomever it was run into B..."



message 16: by Brenda, Co-Moderator (last edited Jul 31, 2014 04:11PM) (new)

Brenda (butterflyprincess) | 212 comments Mod
Mark wrote: "I just don't see how those two could have had the influence to pull all of this together. There has to be a "White" connection involved. Native Americans, even with casino money just don't have t..."

Mark I do agree with you. Jacob Nighthorse and Malachi do not have the power behind them to create such a complex scheme or to finance it. There is someone else involved. At least that is the general state of the Indian Nation we are lead to believe. There is something really screwy about this and I don't think we have yet meet the real mastermind of this conspiracy.

As far as why Malachi hates Walt so much I was thinking that he was/is in love with Walt's wife, who wanted nothing to do with him. So he blames Walt for her rejection of him. Malachi could no longer handle the fact that Walt and her were together and killed her to help set up Walt and Henry Standing Bear.


message 17: by Susan (new)

Susan Stalnaker | 15 comments I thought Malachi hated Walt so much because Walt and Henry arrested him in his own office for extortion and was then sent to prison. He is a very vendictive and dangerous man.

I am baffled as to who is the mastermind.


message 18: by Maranda (new)

Maranda Prigmore (anthrochick1931) I am thinking we are going to find out on monday. that or left w/a cliffhanger till next season. LOL


message 19: by Brenda, Co-Moderator (new)

Brenda (butterflyprincess) | 212 comments Mod
Maranda a cliffhanger I wouldn't doubt that for minute!!!


message 20: by Mark (new)

Mark | 34 comments So now we have Henry telling us Malachi and Darius had nothing to do with the murder of Walt's wife -- and we have Jacob Nighthorse either setting up Walt to be killed by a White Warrior or he was duped into getting Walt there. I really thought Malachi was involved -- but now it's a whole new ball game. I don't think Jacob would take Walt on by himself - so he is either following orders from someone we don't know about - or he was an unknowing accomplice .....


message 21: by Brenda, Co-Moderator (new)

Brenda (butterflyprincess) | 212 comments Mod
I think I need to re-watch this episode! I feel the need for more Longmire!!!


message 22: by Mark (new)

Mark | 34 comments I am planning on re-watching also -- there has to be some clues for us. The season finale is next week! And that makes me very sad.....


message 23: by Marie (new)

Marie | 22 comments Mod
Brenda, I do not think Malachi had any romantic interest in Walt's wife. That is just taking this too far away from the money laundering/casino profits he is hungry for. GO BACK and listen to Henry's comments before he torched the Red Pony and it THE major clue. He said, I will not let you have the Red Pony to launder your money. Watch again, and the motive is the 10's of millions the owners of the casino stand to make. Go back to last years episodes and Walt is concerned the casino's will bring nothing but crime, corruption and drugs to his county and abuse the people of the rez more than they are now. AGAIN, a hint that Walt and Martha were against the casino. The motive here is purely money. Nothing more. Could Barlow be the mastermind...I do not think Craig would allow for this unless Bailey is leaving and Gerald would no longer have a role, and he can kill off both characters in one swoop. This would leave Jacob and Malachi to be major characters next year when the casino's drug/money laundering will prove Walt and Martha right from the jump. THAT is how I would write it to keep the fans and new viewers coming back. THIS would also open the door for Henry to come back in a more major role (as he is in the books and fans want more Henry). Branch's mental breakdown, and Vic and Ferg being so angry and hostile to him in MY thoughts are the writers decision and to get rid of the character. Walt & Vic will never trust Branch ever again and Ferg hates him. The only logically thing to do is to write him off, and bring in another player. Walt sweeping his desk clear is another clue, he is gone in Walt's mind now. GO back and watch the episode and also see, he is breaking away from his father for good. The signs are all there.


message 24: by Marie (new)

Marie | 22 comments Mod
Mark, I agree that Barlow is still old school and old money. He would never work FOR Indians, they work for him. Bridges clearly said he was screwing with Branch and the next time he would kill him. THAT may be a clue that his Father did some dirty deal in the past that killed off Bridges father, brother, whatever, and this is his revenge, to kill the Son of the Father that destroyed his family. That is a plot line I would have in my back pocket to expose Barlow for the greedy racist he is. ALSO, Malachi admitted to Henry, he did not kill or have Martha killed, watch the scene from last week again. Jacob in the past has been a trouble maker, so anything is possible, but he is NOT a hired gun. The love of money is the root of all evil. Follow the money trail and you have the killer.


message 25: by Sierra (new)

Sierra Marie, You could be right but I would be surprised if they write out Branch. Bailey I don't think has any desire to leave the show and he is a draw for a lot of viewers. People also like Gerald McRaney and love to hate Barlow. It will interesting to see how the writers "redeem" Branch and as you say rebuild trust in him by Walt, Vic, and The Ferg. I just hope we get a season 4.


message 26: by Marie (new)

Marie | 22 comments Mod
Sierra, that is an excellent point. But unless Branch saves Walt's life or Vic's, to regain 4 people's trust(remember Henry) is almost impossible. I understand Bailey has a movie coming out/possible series? Not sure. He would be nuts to leave the show, but where does he go from here? 3 years and his role is played out. He has a starring role in the movie. He talks about it on his site and has a pic with all his prison tattoos. Longmire jump started his career, but he is 3rd fiddle and that may not be for him anymore. If he doesn't grab leadng roles now, he is foolish. His fans will follow him.
Gerald McRaney is great to hate, BUT, unless he takes over the casino and golf course, his role is pretty much done if Branch is written out. Remember Branch had an affair with Cady, ran against Walt for Sherriff and now this. I think they will write him out and he will move on to bigger things or a major network series. He is ready. I think season 4 is a no brainer. AND I also think Ferg having a minor meltdown was also the writer's preparing him for a bigger role. That is what I would do.


message 27: by Sierra (last edited Aug 01, 2014 12:19PM) (new)

Sierra Marie wrote: "Sierra, that is an excellent point. But unless Branch saves Walt's life or Vic's, to regain 4 people's trust(remember Henry) is almost impossible. I understand Bailey has a movie coming out/possi..."

We'll see. The movie Bailey is doing is filming now so wouldn't interfere with season 4 of Longmire. It will be done with production by the time S4 filming begins. It's an independent film not with a major studio. Katee, Rob, and Lou have all balanced doing movies (other projects) along with doing Longmire so Bailey could do the same thing. Lou did The 33 in Columbia/Chile during the break between season 2 and 3 which included having to lose a lot of weight then get back to "normal" before Longmire fliming began. Longmire only shoots for 3 months of the year after all for 10 episodes. Bailey being a new dad etc. he might want a bird in the hand thing (a paycheck) with Longmire while taking advantage of additional opportunities the other 9 months of the year.

By the way when Bailey said he was filming Kill For Me in NY, when non NY'ers say that it usually means NYC, I'll forgive him. It's actually being filmed in upstate NY's capital region in Amsterdam. That's the area where I grew up and I've been to Amsterdam a lot going to the local Amish community for baked goods and furniture. Here's link to a piece about the filming going on from the local CBS station.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/featur...

It could also be possible Branch may get suspended/fired and then maybe become a foe of the Sheriff's dept. like his Dad. Go truly over to the dark side. LOL.


message 28: by Marie (new)

Marie | 22 comments Mod
Hi Sierra! great post. Gives everyone lots to digest and think about. We will know on Monday (hopefully) but Henry is NOT going back to jail. AND Branch love/hates his father to become more like him. Great thread. Thank you.


message 29: by Cindy Pearce (last edited Aug 02, 2014 08:46AM) (new)

Cindy Pearce | 1 comments I can't help but think this all revolves around the casino. I wouldn't be surprised if organized crime is somehow involved since they would have the ability to influence a judge. Walt would certainly be singled out as an impediment to any involvement they might want to have with the casino and going after a loved one is a common MO for them.


message 30: by Marie (last edited Aug 03, 2014 08:06AM) (new)

Marie | 22 comments Mod
Hi all! I just got a post from Katie's wall and she said that she is excited about the story lines for season 4. While everyone here is worried about Season 4, my feelings are they are still negotiating salaries and time table to fit the main characters schedules for other projects. I think it is a safe bet, Longmire will be back for season 4. It doesn't hurt to contact A&E, but they already know they have a winner and it will be back.


message 31: by Brenda, Co-Moderator (new)

Brenda (butterflyprincess) | 212 comments Mod
Marie wrote: "Hi all! I just got a post from Katie's wall and she said that she is excited about the story lines for season 4. While everyone here is worried about Season 4, my feelings are they are still nego..."

A&E has never renewed Longmire until at least late August to October. I agree with you they are at the haggling stage and until they work things out there will be no announcement of renewal.


back to top
This topic has been frozen by the moderator. No new comments can be posted.