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ROMAN EMPIRE -THE HISTORY... > WE ARE OPEN - CAESAR - WEEK ELEVEN - May 7th - May 13th – Chapter Nineteen: Macedonia, November 49 – August 48 BC and Chapter Twenty: Cleopatra, Egypt and the East, Autumn 48 – Summer 47 BC - (pages 405 - 447) ~ No Spoilers, Please

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message 1: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
Hello Everyone,

For the week of May 7th - May 13th, we are reading chapters 19 and 20 of Caesar: Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy.

The eleventh week's reading assignment is:

WEEK ELEVEN - May 7th - May 13th -> 19. Macedonia, November 49 – August 48 BC and 20. Cleopatra, Egypt and the East, Autumn 48 – Summer 47 BC (405 - 447)

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers. We will also open up supplemental threads as we did for other spotlighted books.

This book was kicked off February 26th.

We look forward to your participation. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Borders and other noted on line booksellers do have copies of the book and shipment can be expedited. The book can also be obtained easily at your local library, or on your Kindle.

There is no rush and we are thrilled to have you join us. It is never too late to get started and/or to post.

Vicki Cline will be moderating this selection.

Welcome,

~Vicki

TO ALWAYS SEE ALL WEEKS' THREADS SELECT VIEW ALL

Caesar Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy by Adrian Goldsworthy Adrian Goldsworthy

REMEMBER NO SPOILERS ON THE WEEKLY NON SPOILER THREADS - ON EACH WEEKLY NON SPOILER THREAD - WE ONLY DISCUSS THE PAGES ASSIGNED OR THE PAGES WHICH WERE COVERED IN PREVIOUS WEEKS. IF YOU GO AHEAD OR WANT TO ENGAGE IN MORE EXPANSIVE DISCUSSION - POST THOSE COMMENTS IN ONE OF THE SPOILER THREADS. THESE CHAPTERS HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION SO WHEN IN DOUBT CHECK WITH THE CHAPTER OVERVIEW AND SUMMARY TO RECALL WHETHER YOUR COMMENTS ARE ASSIGNMENT SPECIFIC. EXAMPLES OF SPOILER THREADS ARE THE GLOSSARY, THE BIBLIOGRAPHY, THE INTRODUCTION AND THE BOOK AS A WHOLE THREADS.

Notes:


It is always a tremendous help when you quote specifically from the book itself and reference the chapter and page numbers when responding. The text itself helps folks know what you are referencing and makes things clear.

Citations

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Here is the link to the thread titled Mechanics of the Board which will help you with the citations and how to do them.

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Also, the citation thread: (for Unreasonable Men - look at examples)

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Introduction Thread

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Table of Contents and Syllabus

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Glossary

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Bibliography

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Book as a Whole and Final Thoughts - Spoiler Thread

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Link:

Caesar Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy by Adrian Goldsworthy Adrian Goldsworthy


message 2: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
Hello Everyone,

For the week of May 7th - May 13th, we are reading chapters 19 and 20 of Caesar: Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy.

The eleventh week's reading assignment is:

WEEK ELEVEN - May 7th - May 13th -> 19. Macedonia, November 49 – August 48 BC and 20. Cleopatra, Egypt and the East, Autumn 48 – Summer 47 BC (405 - 447)

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers. We will also open up supplemental threads as we did for other spotlighted books.

This book was kicked off February 26th.

We look forward to your participation. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Borders and other noted on line booksellers do have copies of the book and shipment can be expedited. The book can also be obtained easily at your local library, or on your Kindle.

There is no rush and we are thrilled to have you join us. It is never too late to get started and/or to post.

Vicki Cline will be moderating this selection.

Welcome,

~Vicki

TO ALWAYS SEE ALL WEEKS' THREADS SELECT VIEW ALL

Caesar Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy by Adrian Goldsworthy Adrian Goldsworthy

REMEMBER NO SPOILERS ON THE WEEKLY NON SPOILER THREADS - ON EACH WEEKLY NON SPOILER THREAD - WE ONLY DISCUSS THE PAGES ASSIGNED OR THE PAGES WHICH WERE COVERED IN PREVIOUS WEEKS. IF YOU GO AHEAD OR WANT TO ENGAGE IN MORE EXPANSIVE DISCUSSION - POST THOSE COMMENTS IN ONE OF THE SPOILER THREADS. THESE CHAPTERS HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION SO WHEN IN DOUBT CHECK WITH THE CHAPTER OVERVIEW AND SUMMARY TO RECALL WHETHER YOUR COMMENTS ARE ASSIGNMENT SPECIFIC. EXAMPLES OF SPOILER THREADS ARE THE GLOSSARY, THE BIBLIOGRAPHY, THE INTRODUCTION AND THE BOOK AS A WHOLE THREADS.

Notes:


It is always a tremendous help when you quote specifically from the book itself and reference the chapter and page numbers when responding. The text itself helps folks know what you are referencing and makes things clear.

Citations

If an author or book is mentioned other than the book and author being discussed, citations must be included according to our guidelines. Also, when citing other sources, please provide credit where credit is due and/or the link. There is no need to re-cite the author and the book we are discussing however.

Here is the link to the thread titled Mechanics of the Board which will help you with the citations and how to do them.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Also, the citation thread: (for Unreasonable Men - look at examples)

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Introduction Thread

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Table of Contents and Syllabus

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Glossary

Remember there is a glossary thread where ancillary information is placed by the moderator. This is also a thread where additional information can be placed by the group members regarding the subject matter being discussed.

Here is the link:

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Bibliography

There is a Bibliography where books cited in the text are posted with proper citations and reviews. We also post the books that the author may have used in his research or in her notes. Please also feel free to add to the Bibliography thread any related books, etc with proper citations or other books either non fiction or historical fiction that relate to the subject matter of the book itself. No self promotion, please.

Here is the link:

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Book as a Whole and Final Thoughts - Spoiler Thread

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Link:

Caesar Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy by Adrian Goldsworthy Adrian Goldsworthy


message 3: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
Everyone, for the week of May 7th - May 13th, we are reading Chapters 19 and 20.

The eleventh week's reading assignment is:

WEEK ELEVEN - May 7th - May 13th -> 19. Macedonia, November 49 – August 48 BC and 20. Cleopatra, Egypt and the East, Autumn 48 – Summer 47 BC (405 - 447)

Chapter Overview and Summary:

Chapter 19. Macedonia, November 49 – August 48 BC


Caesar’s movements during the Civil War

This chapter covers Caesar’s and Pompey’s battles in Macedonia and Pompey’s defeat.

Chapter 20. Cleopatra, Egypt and the East, Autumn 48 – Summer 47 BC


Caesar and Cleopatra

This chapter covers Caesar’s arrival in Egypt, his settling of the disputed monarchy there and the time he spent with Cleopatra.


message 4: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
Caesar has many pithy sayings attributed to him. "The die is cast" at the Rubicon. "They would have it thus" at Pharsalus. "Veni, vidi, vici" after the battle at Zela. Finally, (spoiler alert) "Et tu, Brute?" at his assassination. I wonder if he actually said these exact words or if his later biographers condensed what he said.


message 5: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
in the first paragraph in Chapter XX, it says "... Caesar had focused his main attention on hunting down his former father-in-law." Surely this is a mistake - Pompey was Caesar's son-in-law. Am I reading this wrong?


Michele (micheleevansito) Vicki wrote: "in the first paragraph in Chapter XX, it says "... Caesar had focused his main attention on hunting down his former father-in-law." Surely this is a mistake - Pompey was Caesar's son-in-law. Am I r..."

No, I read the same thing. Typo that never got corrected.


message 7: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
I'm generally not interested in details of battles, but there are a couple of things in the Macedonian campaign that I like. When Caesar's troops were low on food and made, and ate, bread from near-inedible roots, then threw some at the Pompeians, it was such an in-your-face gesture that I almost had to laugh. And fighting cavalry with infantry at Pharsalus was a really daring tactic.


Vincent (vpbrancato) | 1246 comments These two chapters illustrated why Caesar could succeed and "the devil is in the details" makes me curious that Vicki chooses to separate herself from the battle details - although she obviously reads them - I think that these details show the flexibility and strength of Caesar and are, for me anyway, integral to my understanding of how he was able to achieve and hold power.

It was interesting and the battle strategies and maps were useful to me but I note _ I am reading on Kindle because when we began I was going on vacation and without my I pad, as with most history books that use maps, to get a better view of the maps they become almost worthless.

I know the end is not far off but want to see how this plays out.


message 9: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
I agree that Caesar's tactics and strategy are of supreme importance, but MEGO at the details. Chacun a son gout.


Vincent (vpbrancato) | 1246 comments oui = vous avez raison. - MEGO?


message 11: by Vicki, Assisting Moderator - Ancient Roman History (new) - rated it 4 stars

Vicki Cline | 3835 comments Mod
MEGO=my eyes glaze over


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