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Scripture As A Tactic
And Robert avoids my question with more accusations and obfuscation... how tactful
Robert wrote: "With the unsaved, I almost never go beyond the Gospel. They cannot understand spiritual truth (1 Cor. 2:14)"You cannot even speak reasonably with fellow Christians, including those who are in theological agreement with you, therefore you have no business whatsoever discussing anything Scriptural with unbelievers.
Best leave that to those who are qualified and capable.
Let's look at those verses, in context:
"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ."
1 Corinthians 2:6-16
"As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.
13 But when the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, some of them went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up. 14 The believers immediately sent Paul to the coast, but Silas and Timothy stayed at Berea. 15 Those who escorted Paul brought him to Athens and then left with instructions for Silas and Timothy to join him as soon as possible."
Acts 17:10-15
"You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:10-17
Humm. Lookie here: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
Notice something, boys and girls? Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
And yet, Robert holds himself above such things, and doesn't seem to believe they apply to him.
"A pebble in their shoe"Best thing over heard all week. I'm betting that will pop in mind every time I chat with a Mormon from now on.
Rod wrote: ""A pebble in their shoe"Best thing over heard all week. I'm betting that will pop in mind every time I chat with a Mormon from now on."
*smiles*
Robert wrote: "I guess you will have to take your argument up with the God of the Bible..."I have no argument with the God of the Bible. None whatsoever.
"...the God Who has called and ordained me..."
There are many people who make such a claim. Claiming such a thing doesn't make it true. We're warned to test the spirits, challenge the teachers, and examine the fruit.
Do you not know Scripture as well as you claim? You should know that.
"Perhaps you can convince Him that He made a mistake. "
That's something you might do, but I am wiser. :D
PS. I thought you were leaving?
Robert wrote: "NOPE! I hold myself accountable to the Scripture... "Really? Humm. Let's see:
"Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap."
1 Timothy 3:1-7
"20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."
1 Timothy 5:20
"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love."
Ephesians 4:12-16
“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.”
1 Corinthians 13:1-3
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Matthew 7:21-23
"23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
Matthew 23:23-28
"As a dog returns to its vomit,
so fools repeat their folly."
Proverbs 26:11
"22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will."
2 Timothy 2:22-26
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Exodus 20:16
"Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
Luke 6:44-46
"“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander."
Matthew 15:17-19
Robert wrote: "Test against the Scripture... you are JUDGING my heart and making CONDEMNATIONS. "Sweetpea, you do that here ALL THE TIME. Are you going to stop doing it? I don't think that's likely. So, first of all, BACK AT YA. You equated me to the Pharisees, cuz I don't like your dishonest tactics. Whaa whaa. I affirm all essential doctrine of Christianity, and have affirmed all Scripture presented, never once refuted or disputed any Scripture, and yet you judge me a HERETIC, because I am mean to you. And that's not even getting into all the judging of hearts and condemnations you've made here about others.
So, go clean out your own white washed tomb, hypocrite.
Since you are a Christian, I assumed that you treated others the same way you wanted to be treated.
Sound familiar, Robert? It should (view spoiler)
A big fan of double standards, aren't you?
Have I hurt your tender little feelers? Possibly so. Which would be regrettable. However, you've proven that a more gentle and diplomatic approach simply cannot reach through that ginormous ego and delusion of infallible perfection you have wrapped around yourself.
The saddest thing is I suspect that is a facade, and that in reality you are full of doubt and insecurity about yourself. If that's true then you'd do significantly better dropping the false facade, because it's not working for you (among other reasons).
Another lesson for you - not everyone is intimidated by bullies, nor cowers before them. Some people are willing to stand up to them and get right in their face. *Smiles*
Now, again, this accusation has already been made and already refuted.
I haven't claimed to know what is in anyone's heart, Robert. That is why I haven't made any assertion regarding your position with God. I can however see your actions, and your attitudes you display to others. And this reveals quite a bit about what you think, as well as evidence of your character.
"Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
Luke 6:44-46
"“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander."
Matthew 15:17-19
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Steve wrote: "And Robert avoids my question with more accusations and obfuscation... how tactful"That is what he does best...
Chad wrote: "Steve wrote: "And Robert avoids my question with more accusations and obfuscation... how tactful"That is what he does best..."
It's the hallmark of one who is either not as knowledgeable as they'd like people to think, or who knows the answer will refute their position in some way.
Robert wrote: "Another FALLACY..."Another word you do not understand.
Robert wrote: "Do you even know which question Steve alleges that I have not answered? "I know what question Steve asked that you have not answered.
In response to Robert in general.The Bible is not God. The Bible does not contain all of God’s knowledge. While the Bible gives principles that apply to every situation, it does not explicitly give us all the information we need to daily live our lives. The Bible did not specifically tell me which shirt to pull from my closet this morning, nor did the Bible tell me what I should have for breakfast.
Part of the problem is that some Christians take the saying “the Bible says it, that settles it, I believe it” to extremes. While the statement is absolutely true and should reflect how we view the Bible, God’s Word does not instruct us to abandon our brains or ignore our experiences. Nature, science, reason, truth is completely compatible with Scripture.
Experience can help us in our understanding of Scripture. While the Bible must be our authority, we must also use it to confirm and verify the conclusions we reach with our God-given reason and God-directed experience (1 Peter 3:15).
The Bible is not to be worshipped, but the God of the Bible is to be worshipped.
Spewing venom (for example, saying that all people who believe in OEC also believe in evolution [Old Earth vs Young Earth OP]) and then quoting scripture is not a convincing way to try and get people to see your point of view.
Every conversation about God does not require a Bible Quote. God reveals Himself Himself to us in three ways: in creation, in His Word, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.
“For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).
“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” (Psalm 19:1).
Your insistence that people quote scripture anytime they post while discussing the God of the universe borderlines Bible Idolatry. And I'm not talking about bibliolatry...
Robert wrote: "You give yourself WAY TOO MUCH credit."Something you clearly have intimate knowledge of. ;)
"My feelings cannot be hurt by those who offer nothing but name calling and ad hominem attacks. "
Good to know. I see you're having fun using your new term. It's good to learn something new, isn't it?
Chad wrote: "In response to Robert in general.The Bible is not God. The Bible does not contain all of God’s knowledge. While the Bible gives principles that apply to every situation, it does not explicitly gi..."
Always enjoy your posts, Chad. :D
Alexandra wrote: "Always enjoy your posts, Chad. :D"Thanks! And I have exceedingly enjoyed reading yours. ;)
I'm still shocked that Robert boasted that God "called and ordained" him.Jonah had the same problem. So maybe? Is there a huge fish we can stuff Robert in to?
Although: every cult leader claims they are chosen and ordained by a God. Not a claim I would use to justify my behaviour. If anything, I would humbly apologize
Chad wrote: "Alexandra wrote: "Always enjoy your posts, Chad. :D"Thanks! And I have exceedingly enjoyed reading yours. ;)"
Nice! Glad to hear it.
Rod wrote: "Have we fixed Robert yet?"Robert has built a wall, a barrier, a moat, a steel curtain, around himself. He is not able to take reproof.
Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you. --Prov 9:8
Robert wrote: "2 Timothy 4:3 - "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"Love that verse! One of my favorites!
Rod wrote: "I'm still shocked that Robert boasted that God "called and ordained" him."I'm not. It's pretty common among cult members and false teachers, oh, and those slimy televangelist types *shudder*. And Robert seems to have taken on a lot of the attitudes and tactics of such types.
As if we're not allowed, much less not commanded to not only challenge and question such claims, but hold those accountable to a high, Scriptural, standard.
"Jonah had the same problem. So maybe? Is there a huge fish we can stuff Robert in to?"
Sounds fair ;)
"every cult leader claims they are chosen and ordained by a God. Not a claim I would use to justify my behaviour. If anything, I would humbly apologize"
Precisely. It's not something to be boastful, arrogant or proud about, it's something to feel humbled by, and strive to be worthy of.
Robert wrote: "Romans 13:1 - "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God ."Love that verse too... but you've totally taken it out of context.
Robert wrote: "Don't be shocked. I would not be doing ministry if God had NOT called me to. "Said pretty much every cult leader, false prophet and false teacher ever.
So, you think people should simply take your word for that? Because, that's not what the BIBLE says.
Rod wrote: "Have we fixed Robert yet?"I think that is beyond our ability, and our paygrade ;)
Chad wrote: "Love that verse to... but you've totally taken it out of context. "Robert? Took a verse out of context?
Hang on...I'm looking for my shocked face ;)
Robert wrote: "Well... look at that... another Bible concept that Rod seems to REJECT... God ordains people! "Humm. Let's examine that claim, shall we? Yes, we shall. Does Rod actually reject that God ordains people?
Evidence:
"I'm still shocked that Robert boasted that God "called and ordained" him.
Jonah had the same problem. So maybe? Is there a huge fish we can stuff Robert in to?
Although: every cult leader claims they are chosen and ordained by a God. Not a claim I would use to justify my behaviour. If anything, I would humbly apologize"
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Verdict:
Not guilty.
I've already given you many lessons and admonishments Robert, about claiming people have said something they have not said. That is LYING. It is giving false witness. And I've already given you several Scriptures proving to you that you are NOT to engage in this behavior.
Robert wrote: "God took care of that 35 years ago... "Um, I don't think you're grasping the context of the word usage in Rod's post. Because you've obviously not been "fixed" in the way Rod meant even in the last 24 hours.
"and He is still doing so..."
One can hope anyway.
"but He never does it by contradicting His Word."
Ok, seriously, this bugs me. God's Word (capitalized), is JESUS. So, you're literally saying here "but He never does it by contradicting Jesus."
If that's what you meant, then fine and dandy.
However, I think you meant He never does it by contradicting His word (non-capitalized, meaning Scripture).
And the irony of that is that you have been, repeatedly, over and over, rebuked and corrected with Scripture that you apparently do not believe is applicable to you.
Up to, and including the 10 Commandments, and the fact that those in ministry should have a certain character you clearly don't even try to portray.
Robert wrote: "Another LIE from you."Prove it.
Robert wrote: "I would not be doing ministry if God had NOT called me to."God called all these folks to ministry as well:
Joseph Smith - Started Mormonism.
Muhammed - Founder of Islam
Jim Jones - Cult leader killed 909 people at Jonestown. Convinced people God told him that everyone living at Jonestown should commit suicide.
Warren Jeffs - President of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS Church) and a convicted felon / child molester, currently serving a sentence of life plus 20 years. He thinks its OK to have sex with children. He believes God called him to.
Matthew Vines - wrote the book on why it is okay to live a homosexual lifestyle as a Christian
Anne Hamilton-Byrne - claimed she was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and a living god. Gave children in her cult LSD and told them it was medicine. Beat them and deprived them of food for days at a time... all because she thought she was Jesus.
Wesley A. Swift - founder of the Christian Identity movement. This is a racist and white supremacist interpretation of Christianity which advocates the belief that only white people are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the only descendants of the ancient Israelites that can go to heaven. He believed he was "called by God" to teach these things.
This list goes on and on of people who were, "called by, or inspired by God" to do or say things that are clearly contrary to the Bible.
Robert wrote: "2 Timothy 4:3 - "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;""Interesting passage. Let's look at it:
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
2 Timothy 4:1-5
It says we should rebuke, correct, and encourage. Nifty. We're rebuking your behavior, have been attempting to correct you using Scripture. So, check.
I sincerely hope, but am not sure, that you are not claiming that your personal behavior is "sound doctrine".
How good are you at instructing with patience? Not very good, I'm afraid.
I do see you in love with what your itching ears want to hear, cloaking yourself in Scripture you think supports your deceptive and nasty tactics, while disregarding all that convicts you.
Robert wrote: "Your god may have called them... my God did NOT!"Well, that point zoomed right over your head.
Robert wrote: "What do you allege that I have said CONTRARY to the Bible? "We've repeatedly demonstrated what you have said and done which is contrary to the Bible.
Start off with LYING.
Just one of the very many examples:
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Robert wrote: "NONE of these people QUOTE the Bible WITHOUT private interpretations... "It's a bit concerning that's the only complaint you can find. But, regardless, either we're to blindly accept someone is called by God simply because they claim to be (like you), or we're not.
Whatever the Biblical standard is, and I'll give you a hint, it's not just "private interpretations", they apply to YOU just as much as everyone else making that claim.
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My response: One of the following has NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION... the other one has LOTS.
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Example: John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Me: I believe exactly what it says...
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Jehovah's Witnesses (copied from their web site)
My Lord and my God!: Lit., “The Lord of me and the God [ho the·osʹ] of me!” Some scholars view this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus but actually directed to God, his Father. Others claim that the original Greek requires that the words be viewed as being directed to Jesus. Even if this is so, the intent of the expression “my Lord and my God” is best understood in the context of the rest of the inspired Scriptures. Since the record shows that Jesus had previously sent his disciples the message, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God,” there is no reason to believe that Thomas thought that Jesus was the almighty God.
Robert wrote: "Chad wrote: "God called all these folks to ministry as well:..."Your god may have called them... my God did NOT!"
Sounding ignorant again Robert... I worship the God of the Bible. If you can't accept that... then... i'm at a loss...
I actually agree with you about what the Bible says and means most of the time. I consider myself a conservative Christian.
What do you allege that I have said CONTRARY to the Bible?
I DO NOT agree with your approach Robert. Your approach. Your approach.... how you deliver, how you say what you believe... how else can I put it. I DO NOT agree with your approach.
Your approach is CONTRARY to the Bible. Again, we've been over this before...
You may recall that in a post I made about a month ago I said;
"There have been disagreements in the church since Biblical times. Do you think this will change before the return of Christ?
Do you think your method of quoting scripture and yelling at people (yes, all caps in online forums is considered yelling) will help people come over to your point of view?
You respond to what you call heresy (when it is really just difference of opinion) with verbal assault, slander, and accusation? All of which are called out in scripture as unacceptable in the body of Christ (Colossians 3:8; 1 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 4:31)? So you might be right, but your delivery is wrong, and sinful in and of itself. Your delivery goes against scripture."
So ... just don't bother responding Robert. I know you think I'm a heretic... I know you think I worship a God other than the God of the Bible ... I know you won't respond to anything of substance that I have said and actually try to have a real conversation ... I know you think you are the holiest among us ... so just don't bother. You said you were done with this thread once... please, please, please be done with it.
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Thanks for your OPINION; however, I have cited MANY references to godly people who employ the same approach as I.
So you disagree with my approach... that does NOT VALIDATE your assertion that it is contrary to the Bible.
"Robert wrote: "Your god may have called them... my God did NOT!"Alexandra wrote: "Well, that point zoomed right over your head."
ROTFLOL!! I always love a good belly laugh... good for the soul. :) Plus... I haven't used ROTFLOL for ages... :D
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You do not need to respond.
Robert wrote: "So you disagree with my approach... that does NOT VALIDATE your assertion that it is contrary to the Bible. "I disagree with your approach precisely because it is un-biblical! And I've quoted scripture showing you why! You do not seem to care... what else can I do...
Robert wrote: "I have cited MANY references to godly people who employ the same approach as I."I've never seen that. I cannot think of any godly person who employs the same approach as you do. The only people I've ever seen employ such tactics and demonstrate such attitudes are cult members and adherents of false religions.
Additionally we have repeatedly demonstrated, with Scripture, that your "approach" is sinful and ungodly.
No, you are not Jesus talking to the Pharisees.
No, you are not Paul.
No you are not speaking to unrepentant unbelievers.
YOU are speaking to the CHURCH. Your fellow BELIEVERS. Who you treat as the worst heretics. Refusing all Biblical and godly correction.
YOU are unrepentant, disobedience, and willfully wallowing in your sin.
Which means, you are unqualified in the position of ministry.
Chad wrote: "You said you were done with this thread once... please, please, please be done with it. "He's like herpes ;)
Chad wrote: "I worship the God of the Bible. If you can't accept that... then... i'm at a loss... "Yup, that's a huge problem.
"I actually agree with you about what the Bible says and means most of the time. I consider myself a conservative Christian."
And yet, look how he speaks to you. It's shameful.
I find what Robert says about the Bible to be incoherent and unclear most of the time, so I sure can't say with any confidence I'm sure what he believes about much of anything.
BUT I affirm all essential doctrines of Christianity, and also (as much as I hate boxes and labels), what is considered a "conservative" and "evangelical" (in the Biblical sense, not the wackadoodle sense), Christian.
I did look at the Statement of Faith over on his ministry's website, and, with a couple minor issues, it's pretty standard and non-problematic.
And yet, Robert thinks I'm a heretic. :D And speaks to me as though I'm the worst of the worst unbelievers. Cuz I point out his dishonest tactics and tried to knock some sense into him *pout*
"I DO NOT agree with your approach Robert. Your approach. Your approach.... how you deliver, how you say what you believe... how else can I put it. I DO NOT agree with your approach.
Your approach is CONTRARY to the Bible. Again, we've been over this before... "
YES.
Robert wants to pretend people here are challenging his theology, but for the most part they aren't. You haven't. I sure haven't. I don't think Rod has - at least not on any essential doctrine. I think there have been some conversations regarding non-essentials of which there are differences and disputes among genuine Christians.
BUT, we have been holding him accountable for his behavior here, his attitudes, his treatment of people, his dishonest tactics in discussions. And yes, pointing out in various ways it's unBiblical, sinful and ungodly.
His response is always some form of we just don't believe Scripture, we just don't like Scripture, we just don't like it that he believes in Scripture, blah, blah blah.
Thinking Robert is a jerk doesn't make us heretics. That is a fact he simply cannot get through his head.
"So ... just don't bother responding Robert. I know you think I'm a heretic... I know you think I worship a God other than the God of the Bible ... I know you won't respond to anything of substance that I have said and actually try to have a real conversation ... I know you think you are the holiest among us ... so just don't bother."
That is so very sad. But it is quite the condemnation about Robert.
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You quoted Scriptures that you THINK INVALIDATE the ones I quoted... it does not work that way.
Sad, you claim to often AGREE with my positions...
...but you align yourself with those you DISAGREE with...
UNITY AT THE COST OF COMPROMISE!
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And you would be one of those who called Jesus sinful and ungodly for making the whip and using it on people.
What else would you call Jesus sinful for?
...Herod is a fox?
...whitewashed tombs?
...serpents?
...your father is the devil?
ALL YOU HAVE IS YOUR OPINIONS... AND YOUR JUDGMENTALISM.
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NOPE! REJECTING the Bible does.
Robert wrote: "You quoted Scriptures that you THINK INVALIDATE the ones I quoted... it does not work that way."Actually Robert, it's the other way around. We've quoted Scriptures over and over that you disregard - up to and including the TEN COMMANDMENTS - because you have other Scriptures you like better, and don't think you're obligated to look at the entirety of Scripture. Just the parts you want to apply to yourself - whether they actually do apply or not.
"Sad, you claim to often AGREE with my positions...
...but you align yourself with those you DISAGREE with..."
Who has he "aligned" with that he does not agree with, Robert? Not me. If Chad is what he says he is, and I have no reason to doubt it, then he and I will be in agreement.
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YET ANOTHER LIE!
I challenge you to show me stating that I REJECT anything from the Bible!
The best you will offer is me REJECTING your OPINION of what you MANDATE the Bible to mean.
Robert wrote: "And you would be one of those who called Jesus sinful and ungodly for making the whip and using it on people."You've already made that false accusation against me Robert, and I have already affirmed Jesus was Righteous in that regard, as well as every other. Additionally Jesus was perfect and sinless. Always, and forever.
That you repeat this lie against me, accusing me of denouncing my Savior, makes me sick to my stomach. No Christian should make such an accusation against another Christian without definitive and unquestionable PROOF. And you do it simply because I have challenged YOU personally over your BEHAVIOR. It's disgusting. You care more about your EGO than you care about your SAVIOR, or those HE had saved for Himself. You spit in HIS eye when you claim I denounce Him. You need to fall on your knees and beg forgiveness.
And you think your tactics are in line with Scripture? Not hardly. And you complain about me judging hearts? Laughable.
This is yet another violation of the COMMANDMENT to NOT bear false witness. (Why is this SUCH a HARD concept for someone who claims to be a Christian to grasp??)
I know you need to make me into something I am not, and try to convince yourself I have said things I have not, because you don't want to accept the truth.
The issue I have with you is your behavior, and your tactics, and your treatment and attitudes about others.
"ALL YOU HAVE IS YOUR OPINIONS..."
Interesting that you call Scripture "opinions" Robert. So, when you quote Scripture it's God's Word, when I quote Scripture it's just an "opinion".
Double standard, Robert. You either accept Scripture or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose.
"AND YOUR JUDGMENTALISM."
It's not I who judges you, Robert, it is God, and I have presented His word to you, which you reject. Because you don't truly love it or respect it as much as you claim you do.
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My response: It is NOT a false accusation. Based on the Scriptures you have presented and YOUR OPINIONS of them...
...YOU WOULD HAVE JUDGED JESUS as ungodly.
Same. I have learned to be content if I can leave a pebble in their shoe.
Some prepare the soil, some plant seeds, some cultivate the crop, and God harvests.