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ROMAN EMPIRE -THE HISTORY... > WE ARE OPEN - CAESAR - WEEK FIVE - March 26th - April 1st – Chapter Eight: Consul - (pages 152-183) ~ No Spoilers, Please

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Hello Everyone,

For the week of March 26th - April 1st, we are reading chapter 8 of Caesar: Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy.

The fifth week's reading assignment is:

WEEK FIVE - March 26th - April 1st -> 8. Consul (152-183)

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers. We will also open up supplemental threads as we did for other spotlighted books.

This book was kicked off February 26th.

We look forward to your participation. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Borders and other noted on line booksellers do have copies of the book and shipment can be expedited. The book can also be obtained easily at your local library, or on your Kindle.

There is no rush and we are thrilled to have you join us. It is never too late to get started and/or to post.

Vicki Cline will be moderating this selection.

Welcome,

~Vicki

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Everyone, for the week of March 26th - April 1st, we are reading Chapter 8.

The fifth week's reading assignment is:

WEEK FIVE - March 26th - April 1st -> 8. Consul (152-183)

Chapter Overview and Summary:

Chapter 8. Consul


Caesar

This chapter covers Caesar’s election as consul and events during his consular year.


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Roman consuls

Discussion Topics:

1. Mightn’t it have been better for Caesar to wait a year to stand for consul? He could have had his triumph, wouldn’t have had Bibulus as co-consul, and wouldn’t have gotten assigned “the woodland and country lanes” as his post-consular “province.”

2. How long were Caesar, Pompey and Crassus working on their triumviral plans? Did Caesar know about this even before he left for Spain?


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Caesar may have preferred to wait in order to get his triumph, but probably Crassus and Pompey were pressuring him to get in ASAP in order to pass the legislation they needed. I'm guessing Caesar and Crassus had extensive discussions before Caesar went to Spain and probably Caesar and Pompey had talks also, but I don't see all three sitting down together, considering how much Crassus disliked Pompey. They also probably exchanged letters while Caesar was out of Rome.


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Michele (micheleevansito) | 1056 comments 2. How long were Caesar, Pompey and Crassus working on their triumviral plans? Did Caesar know about this even before he left for Spain?

Hard to say, since it was not public knowledge. Its possible that it was in the works at that point.


Harmke 1. Mightn’t it have been better for Caesar to wait a year to stand for consul?

Did it have anything to do with becoming consul at the earliest possible age? Caesar must have liked something like that on his resume more than a triumph. He was so self confident, he must have believed he would get a triumph later anyway.


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True enough about his wanting to become consul at the earliest age, Harmke. Caesar had a big ego and that would be a wonderful accomplishment.


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I wonder how much of Cato's antagonism for Caesar was caused by Caesar's affair with Cato's half-sister Servilia. He must have been really ticked off by the note she sent Caesar during the Senate discussion of what to do with the Catiline conspirators.

Cato's use of the Roman equivalent of the filibuster was certainly effective - just talking until the Senate had to disband at the end of the day. He's mentioned in the Wikipedia article on the filibuster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster


Erik | 4 comments Sorry for being behind on the reading on these chapters. I had two observations

- up until his time as Consul, Caesar still seemed to follow a 'regular' republican career by going through the motions and following the regular career path. Obviously he was very ambitious and successful, however when comparing to the decades before, this all seems not out of the ordinary as many politicians had been bending the rules (Marcius, Sulla, Cinna, Pompei) and some of the actual rules were largely installed by Sulla which was not that long ago actually. Also the triumvirate in itself seems like a bond between political sights to help each other achieve political goals. It will be interesting to see going forward where Caeasar's breaking point is with regard to the Republic. Was the Republic already so ill that it couldn't have been saved?

- I read another book lately which described Cato the Younger as very virtuous and the real defender of the Roman Republic not driven by personal financial or political gains. Although that is still described as such, this book seems to place Cato in a less favorable light, basically saying he protected the interests of the small elite which were very self-intested and he would use any means available to achieve this. Also he seemed to have personal grudge against Caesar. I will be interested to read going forward if Cato is worthy of our sympathy


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Thanks for your comments, Erik. It does seem like recent politicians had out-sized egos and the talents to make themselves preeminent, even if it meant stretching, or redefining, the rules.


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