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Within this small section, the readers are able to see the distinct opinions of Jane and her peers. The contrast of the opinion of Jane and Helen Burns reflects the whole spectrum of the situation. An example of this occurred when Jane went to go talk to Burns about the aftermath of Miss Scatcherd's punishment. Jane questions Burns because she does not understand why Burns lets Miss Scatcherd publicly humiliate her constantly. Burns believes that the punishment is part of her journey and is necessary. The conversation between Jane and Burns reveals that "...'But I feel this, Helen: I must dislike those who, whatever I do to please them, persist in disliking me; I must resist those who punish me unjustly. It is a natural as that I should love those who show me affection, or submit to punishment when I feel it is deserved.' 'Heathens and savage tribes hold that doctrine; but Christians and civilized nations disown it.' 'How? I don't understand.' 'It is not violence that best overcomes hate-- nor vengeance that most certainly heals injury.' ..."(Bronte, 67). Burns believes that the punishment is another factor that was included when she decided to go down the Christian path of life. Also, Burns believes that disliking her would not change anything and taking the path of least resistance would be the easiest form of compliance. On the other hand, Jane believes that Burns should dislike her because of the unjust way of the constant punishment. Jane sees Burns as a very good girl that does not deserve the harsh ridicule of Miss Scatcherd. In terms of behavioral teachings, Jane sees it as strict whereas Helen sees these lessons as a necessary part of this Institution.

In the chapters proceeding Jane's enrollment to Lowood, the readers can see the contrasting viewpoints of the girls. While Jane sees the teachings and the teachers as cruel and heartless, mostly due to their punishing ways, Helen Burns views the teachers responses as a reaction to her own unwomanly actions. This is seen when Helen and Jane are talking about the cruel punishment that ensued Helen's unjust behaviors in class. The conversation reveals the thoughts of both girls, as Helen blames the actions of Miss Scatcherd on herself, which is revealed through "I am, as Miss Scatcherd said, slatternly; I seldom put, and never keep, things, in order; I am careless; I forget rules; I read when I should learn my lessons; I have no method;
and sometimes I say, like you, I cannot BEAR to be subjected to systematic arrangements. " (Page 66 Bronte). This shows that while Helen may be one of the best students at Lowood, the teachers see past that and punish all that disobey, yet Helen blames herself for the unjust ways of the teachers and only tarnishes the way she sees herself. While Jane on the other hand, sees the teachers punishing Helen and wonders why Helen does not react to the teacher's cruel hand. This is touched when Helen and Jane speak for the second time "But then it seems disgraceful to be flogged, and to be sent to stand in the middle of a room full of people; and you are such a great girl: I am far younger than you, and I could not bear it." (Page 65 Bronte). Jane shows that she is one to take action into her own hands, as seen in Gateshead, and would show the teachers that she is not at fault and should not be disrespected. These differing views on how teachings at Lowood are carried out show that the students: Jane and Helen, see the teachings to be either disrespectful or a punishment for unwomanly behavior.

As one of her only friends at Lowood, Helen Burns' beliefs are the exact opposite to that of Jane Eyre’s. Jane and Helen discuss their contrasting viewpoints and attitudes about being unfairly punished by teachers along by other faculty figures at Lowood. Jane believes that she must strike back, while Helen rather take the punishment than do something causing a negative effect for others as well as herself. Jane converses with Helen in Chapter 6 after she had been punished by Miss Scatcherd due to her “slatternly habits”, and she can’t understand as to how Helen has self-control and why she isn’t more upset about how she had been treated. If the positions were reversed between both girls, Jane would view the teacher as cruel and unkind, while Helen takes fault towards her actions. “And If I were in your place I should dislike her: I should resist her; if she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break in under her nose.” (Bronte, Page 65). Helen blames herself for her punishment due to her actions meanwhile Jane dislikes the teachers, thinking they are all cruel and it is not her fault in any way. It is difficult for Jane to understand and cope with punishment, she rages against injustice, as she did against her aunt. Helen explains to Jane her viewpoint about how life is short and to turn the other cheek, which is how she has hope and patience to tolerate suffering in the world.

Jane Eyre's time at Lowood Institution can be described as very strict but one upside is that she gained a companion named Helen Burns. Helen and jane both endure the harsh tutelage of the teachers at the institution. The difference between them is that the two girls have different views on the various lessons they learn. Burns turns the other cheek and endures harsh punishments while jane strongly disagrees with meekly accepting lessons and punishments that are unjust. One example of a lesson these two girls had different interpretations of was one delivered by Mr. Brocklehurst. When he makes his appearance at Lowood institution, he says that his goal is to teach the young girls to be "...hardy, patient, self-denying."(Bronte, 84) After stating this, jane drops a slate in front of everyone resulting in her getting a punishment. She was then forced to sit on a stool while Mr. Brocklehurst informed everyone that she was a liar and that they should be wary around her. After being verbally abused, jane is disheartened and believes that her reputation at Lowood is ruined. Burns then comforts her and informs her that if Mr. Brocklehurst had treated her “…as an especial favorite, you would have found enemies…” and that people pity jane and do not in fact hate her. So, the reality of the situation was that jane believed the lesson/punishment she received by Mr. Brocklehurst would isolate her from her classmates which was not the case. Jane “cannot bear to be solitary and hated…” (Bronte, 94) which makes her very different from Burns who puts her faith in a higher power.


The teachings at Lowood are interpreted in various manners by Jane Eyre and her peers, particularly by her fast friend, Helen Burns (commonly referred to as Burns). The stark contrast between the way that they each choose to go about and to interpret life is evidently presented beginning in Chapter 6, when Jane confronts Burns about being too passive in the face of tribulation. Jane argues that she believes it is her duty to offer the same energy that others offer her, in return. In doing this, she states that " [She] must dislike those who, whatever [she] does to please them, persist in disliking [her]" and that " [she] must resist those who punish [her] unjustly" (Bronte, 67), but also believes that affection is due where affection has been given. In response, Helen explains her viewpoint, describing her relationship with God and her reasons for remaining so patient and loving, even when others are not. She alludes to Christ's teachings in the New Testament and states, "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you" (Bronte, 68). In this, it becomes evident to readers that while both young girls have their own views, they are still both firmly grounded in what they believe to be the way. They are able to push past this and, instead of arguing, are able to teach each other, as well as spark up what seems to be a beautiful friendship.

When Jane arrived at the Lowood Institution it took her some time to understand and accustom to her new lifestyle. The classes and teachings were not something she seemed to admire very much. One day during one of the teachings, a girl named Helen Burns was humiliated in front of the entire school. Jane saw the girl as pure and innocent, she did not deserve to be "inflicted on her neck." After this incident Jane began to voice her opinion of the teachings more. We hear this when she converses with Helen Burns to question her to ask if she would ever leave Lowood. When Burns responds with no, Jane is shocked and taken a back. Jane believes that if she were in her position she would hate anyone who treated her unjustly. "If people were always kind and obedient to those who are cruel and unjust, the wicked people would have it all their own way.." After explaining this to Helen, Helen told her view of this situation, Helen believed that it is always best to be kind to everyone, even the ones who treat you terribly because vengeance nor violence fixes nor heals any problem. "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you.." Helen told Jane this to hopefully help Jane change her viewpoint because the path Jane is following will not get her anywhere or any justice which she seems to desire. Helen and Jane both find a friend in each other even though they don't seem to agree on their perspectives.



JoMari Chao



In chapters 6-8, Jane's learned plenty of lessons from her teachers at her new school, Lowood Institution. She interprets the teachers as unjust and cruel as well as their teachings. She soon finds an individual called Helen Burns. She is described as someone obedient, and shy like. They afterwards become companions. However, their views on the teachers and their teachings are completely different. Burns views them as deserving and uncruel. In one of the scenes burns is being punished by one of her teachers. Jane notices it and feels as so the teacher was being very cruel and rude to her but in burns point of view she says that she is deserving of it. The difference of views is obvious while Jane feels that the teachings and teachers are cruel and unjust and shouldn't be received by others, burns sees it as necessary for committing something that they were not suppose to do. Just by the way burns responds to her punishments comes to show that its something usual and deserved.

In chapters 6-8, we see Jane's experiences at Lowood, the teachers she experiences and learns from, as well as her peers and friends such as Helen Burns, who are with her during this time of her life. The lessons taught at Lowood are to be well mannered, self-managed, and to be tolerant and obedient with adequate posture. However, Jane and her peers as well experience physical deprivation and abuse with these lessons. As an example, when Jane is sewing, she notices Helen being treated unfairly by Ms. Scatcherd and commanding her to use better posture by keeping her head up. We see this in the lines: "Hardened girl!...nothing can correct you of your slatternly habits; carry the rod away." Chapter 6 Pg. 53 These experiences, however, do not prevent Jane from feeling alone or singled out like her family did at the house, as in Lowood, she made friends with Helen. What is interesting about this school in particular is that Jane learns a lesson not taught by the teachers, and that is to learn to be mentally strong and to be able to live in a frugal lifestyle. I presume that later on in the novel, we will see this lesson being put to practice and will prove to be vital in Jane's life. In the novel, we also see Jane's elegant and very detailed description of the outside garden of the school. What is significant about this is that the reader realizes that she uses all these descriptions and imagery to make a contradiction between the beautiful setting of the outside garden to the prison/cold and dark setting of the inside school surrounded by the garden itself. This contradiction clearly comes from and is inspired by the teachings and manners to which the lessons are brought to her and her peers in Lowood.

In chapters 6-8, Jane attended her first few classes at the Lowood Institution and is quite shocked on how the teachers/faculty educate the girls. She is also confused as to why Helen Burns does not stand up for herself. Jane believes that the teachers are cruel and severe but other students such as Helen understand why they're so harsh. Miss Scatcherd punished Helen for not cleaning her nails in the morning and later on yelled at Helen again because of her posture. Jane starts thinking about why Helen allows for herself to be treated so cruelly and Helen's reply is "Cruel? Not at all! She is severe; she dislikes my faults." Helen understands that the teachers want to educate her and help her fix her "flaws" while Jane doesn't believe that such treatment is necessary. Jane even said to Helen, "And if I were in your place I should dislike her; I should resist her. If she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break it under her nose." Eventually, Jane starts to understand why the faculty is so "cruel" and even experiences the embarrassment that she pointed out to Helen that she never wanted to experience when Mr. Brocklehurst came to the school and called her a liar in front of all her peers. Jane starts to conform to all the other girls and have the same mentality that gets her through the next six years as a pupil in the institution.

As Jane Eyre enters her new life at Lowood Institution, she begins to see various forms of what she believes is unfair treatment meant for pupils to learn their lessons. This however is not thought of by all, Helen Burns is one to counter her belief. Jane is a witness to one of the lesson strategies used when one of the teachers, Miss Scatcherd, identifies Helen's dirty fingernails. (Bronte, 65). Scatcherd harms Helen with twigs because she was claimed to be a "dirty, disagreeable girl" due to the fact that the water was frozen and was not able to clean the nails. Jane later confronts Helen and questions why she did not resist her. Helen responds by saying that Scatcherd had all the reason to do what she did because of her many flaws, "I am, as Miss Scatcherd said, slatternly; I seldom put and never keep, things in order; I am careless; I forget rules; I read when I should learn my lessons; I have my methods..." (Bronte, 68). Helen states that it was fully her own fault for being the way she is, therefore her fault for receiving the punishment. According to her, the act is not cruel (as Jane believes) in anyway, but instead a well-taught lesson for the future.

In chapters 6-8 of the novel “Jane Eyre”, by Charlotte Bronte the protagonist is beginning at her new school, Lowood Institution. Jane had left her aunts house in which she endured much abuse and despise from to then come to this new school in hopes of a change. While reading I had noticed how Miss Temple is sort of like Bessie. They both present this sweet and caring person. But then their are also the ones who are strict and more demanding such as Miss Scatcherd, a teacher at Lowood, who treats Jane’s new friend Helen Burns horribly. In the novel when Jane was just starting to talk with Helen she tells her, ”But that teacher, Miss Scatcherd, is so cruel to you?”(pg 34).
Only for Helen to reply saying, “Cruel? Not at all! She is severe: she dislikes my faults”(pg 34). Jane can’t wrap her head around the fact that Helen still endures the harshness from Miss Scatcherd, for Jane says “I could not bear it”. Jane’s perspective is “I must dislike those who, whatever I do to please them, persist in disliking me; I must resist those who punish me unjustly”(pg 35). For Helen it is different, she believes that Miss Scatcherd is right since she is “naturally neat, punctual, and particular”, while Helen isn’t exactly so. And the time when Helen and Jane had gotten to their rooms from speaking with Miss Temple, Miss Scatcherd reprimanded Helen for her drawer being “untidily”. Helen agreed that her drawer was “indeed in shameful disorder”,and the next day when Miss Scatcherd put the word “Slattern” on Helen’s forehead instead of getting angry Helen simply “wore it till evening, patient, unresentful, regarding it as a deserved punishment”(pg 46).The way Jane and Helen are towards how people treat them in the school is noticeably contrasting, but they do become good close friends. Helen was more obedient towards the teachers at Lowood, she rather endure the harsh reactions in which Miss Scatcherd has towards her then to have resentment and react with vengeance towards Miss Scatcherd. While Jane is a little stubborn and bold she is more of a person to react in impulse and doesn’t feel as if she should respect the ones who continually disrespect her. And in this school obedience is expected upon the students.

The school of Lowood is characterized as a school containing very strict and cruel disciplinary actions against its students and also a very strict and cruel disciplinary set of rules the students absolutely must abide by. Teachers would follow what they must do whenever a student breaks a rule or misbehaves, and that is to literally hit them physically and shame them on a stool. Jane Eyre attends the school and meets Helen Burns, who she would make very close friends with. Jane quickly finds out that her views on cruel and unusual punishment and the actions of the teachers are of complete contrast to Helen's views, in which she sees them as perfectly fine and necessary for correct discipline. Helen even states that she deserves the punishment because of her flaws. An insightful example of Jane's polarized opinion on the regulations of the school is after Helen was punished and verbally abused for slouching and not appearing delicate and "professional" by Miss Scatcherd, a teacher of the school known for carrying out the cruel punishments, and then Jane telling Helen, "...if I were in your place I should dislike her: I should resist her; if she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break in under her nose.” (Bronte, 65). The stark contrast between the two girls personalities and beliefs are quite evident here; Helen stated before that she doesn't resist and will never resist the punishment, while Jane, even if she were to, say, appear to be slouching, and receive punishment, would find it as extremely trivial and therefore resist and voice her opinion on the matter, because she's Jane Eyre, and that's who Jane Eyre is. However, at the end of the day, Jane and Helen, with their polarized views, still manage to become extremely close to each other.

The Lowood Institution was home to experiences that were foreign to Jane. Although Jane has already had her fair share of encounters with difficult situations, Lowood was beyond compare. In chapters 6-8, Jane Eyre’s feisty personality collides with the rigorous atmosphere of the religious institution. Helen Burns is Jane’s first and perhaps, only friend (besides Miss Temple). Burns is the exact opposite of our main character. Helen, on the other hand, prefers to lay low and accept the reprimands she receives. Jane and Helen are opposites. Helen’s philosophy is revealed when she states, “It is far better to endure patiently a smart which nobody feels but yourself, than to commit a hasty action whose evil consequences will extend to all connected with you- and, besides, the bible bids us return good for evil.” (Bronte, 67) This is Helen’s response to Jane’s confusion as to how she could let Miss Scatcherd treat her so cruelly. Helen interprets the strict enforcement of the teachers as something she deserves. Unlike most people who are oblivious to or discard their flaws, she willingly welcomes her the punishments for them. Jane’s character is on the other side of the spectrum compared to Helen’s. Jane witnesses Helen’s behavior towards the teachers and is appalled. We, the readers, know that Jane is not afraid to stand up for herself. Her argument with Miss Reed before she leaves to Lowood is one of the many instances. “And if I were in your place I should dislike her; I should resist her. If she struck me with that rod. I should get it from her hand; I should break it under her nose.” (Bronte, 67) Miss Jane Eyre is obviously against the teachings at Lowood. But in the following chapters, there is a shift in Jane’s personality. She soon begins to understand the way Helen acts towards the teachers. Her hard personality subdues with Miss Temple and Helen influencing her. Miss Temple continues to impact and suppress her natural character until she is eighteen.

At Lowood institution, Jane's perspective on their method of instruction is considerably distinct to that of her peers. She deems their approach to education malicious and unjust, whereas her peers and her newfound companion, Helen Burns, are more nonchalant about their questionable means of administering punishment and rigid tutelage. To put it into perspective, in chapter 6, Helen characterizes herself as an awfully flawed individual deserving of any punishment/mistreatment aimed her way as she claims "it is far better to endure patiently a smart which nobody feels but yourself, than to commit a hasty action whose evil consequences will extend to all connected with you" (Bronte, 65). Helen said this in the hopes of imparting her wisdom on Jane when the latter expressed her rash judgment concerning the acts of injustice that were in question. This particular conversation reveals what the audience is to anticipate from Jane in the event that such instances were to occur. Of course, Helen is very aware of her naivety and attempts to minimize the intensity of her headstrong personality and expose her to a more reasonable way of confronting certain situations. She does this by encouraging her to read the New Testament and making Christ's words her own rule. (Bronte, 67). However, whether she is to assimilate his principles is another question altogether. She is tenacious and will refuse to humble herself before anyone that wishes her harm of any sort. This is most notable in the following line: "When we are struck at without reason, we should strike back again very hard; I am sure we should so hard as to teach the person who struck us never to do it again" (Bronte, 67). Such a response would be considered unwise by her fellow peers, as this institution seems to run on injustice and cruelty, and the students are well-accustomed to the circumstances. This might prove difficult for her to process, and cause her serious integration issues.

During her time at Lowood Institution, Jane Eyre had a really hard time adapting to her new lifestyle. As opposed to her peers, she was the new girl who did not yet know how to behave and react accordingly to the teachings at Lowood. Jane was rebellious and defiant towards anything that she thought was wrong, while her friend Helen Burns accepted any punishment given to her, even if she did not deserve it. Since Helen Burns, as well as the other pupils, had been long indoctrinated with religious teachings at Lowood, she was used to keeping quiet and not resenting past punishments like that of Miss Scatcherd's. These girls always tried to follow the actions of Christ and any other way of doing things was wrong. When Jane asks Helen how she can bear the punishments given to her unjustly, she responds with teachings of the Bible, "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you." (Bronte, 58) Jane, on the other hand, had not been brought up in such a religious environment. She always thought that when she died she would go to hell as Mr. Brocklehurst said. This background helps the reader understand why Jane is so rebellious as opposed to her friend. She was not scared of any consequences. To Helen's response mentioned earlier, Jane says, "Then I should love Mrs. Reed, which I cannot do: I should bless her son John, which is impossible." (Bronte, 58). Jane hardly disagrees with Helen about enduring such 'cruelties' because they had been brought up in very different environments. Helen knew that there was a possibility of her going to heaven, while Jane thought she would go straight to hell, thus being indifferent to consequences.

In chapters 6-8 Jane begins to further develop her life in the Lowood Institution. While there she meets a peer named Helen Burn, unlike Jane, Helen is short tempered, shy, and obedient. Even through harsh punishment and treatment towards the girls Helen still believes that it is deserving and that finds reason with them. Jane on the other hand refuses to understand why Helen is so accepting to the cruel actions taking place, after Helen going through a punishment Jane states, "I should resist her; if she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break it under her nose"(Bronte 55). By Helen having completely different interpretations along with more patience and understanding, she helps Jane grow in the areas she lacks; allowing their friendship to grow and leave a mark in each other.


Nataly Ruiz


In chapters 6 - 8, while Jane Eyre spends her time at the Lowood Institution she meets Helen Burns which becomes her new friend and also while in there, Jane learns how unfair the treatment is towards to girls in there. Yet her friend, Helen, does not share the same opinion. Jane claims that the behavior, specially the one of Ms. Scatcherd in particular, is very unfair and cruel and she also establishes that "...if I were in your place I should dislike her: I should resist her; if she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break in under...." (Bronte 55) saying this to HElen Burns in a conversation. Helen in the other hand claimed that it was okay since she was simply correcting her and this can be better understood by the reader when she says "....She is severed; she dislikes my faults." (Bronte 67).
Both girls have very distinct views but at least have been able to learn another point of view different from their own and their bond got stronger and better since the moment they met even though they really are opposites.

In chapters 6-8 we encounter the cruel and unusual punishment implemented by some of the faculty at Lowood Institution. Helen Burns and Jane have different views on whether or not the flogging inflicted on Helen by Miss Scatcherd is justifiable and ethical, “But that teacher, Miss Scatcherd, is so cruel to you?”
“Cruel? Not at all! she is severe; she dislike my faults.”
“And if I were your place I should dislike her; I should resist her. If she struck me with that rod, I should get it from her hand; I should break it under her nose.”
“... it is far better to injure patiently a smart which nobody feels but yourself, then to commit a hasty action who’s evil consequences will extend to all connected with you-and, besides, The Bible business return good for evil.”
“But then it seems disgraceful to be flogged, and to be sent to stand in the middle of a room full of people; and you are such a great girl...” (Bronte 67-68) In this exchange between Helen and Jane we see how different the girls view punishment as well as in relation to themselves. Jane seems to know her worth more than Helen and does not let people step all over her, she is willing to stand up to authority figures such as Miss Scatcherd, or Miss Reed. Helen however, believes it is the Godly and Christian thing to do to be benevolent and benign. Jane's fiery temperament is completely different from Helen's passive disposition, it is because of this that they disagree on certain consequences and lessons at Lowood Institution.