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message 1: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
WIth sincere apologies for its late launching, the 2018 Tolkien Reading Challenge is, at last, under sail!

If you've already read a book this year that you want to include in your challenge, just create a new shelf for your challenge and set that shelf on the Challenge page when you join. If you have any difficulties, please let us know :-)


message 2: by David (new)

David | 4 comments My Tolkien 2018 challenge: Children of Hurin and Silmarillion, tried a long time ago to read the later and failed. Silmarillion now in Amazon Prime reading, good prompt to try again.


message 3: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Both excellent choices, David ☺ Good luck with the Silmarilion - I found that once I 'clicked' into it, I fair flew along.


message 4: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Thinking about what books I might want to read this year: An "actual Tolkien"; a biography; an art book; a critique.

I've got the "actual Tolkien" covered, as I've just read a lovely 1966 edition of Farmer Giles of Ham, with Pauline Baynes's fantastic "embellishments". (It's her rendition of the dragon Chrysophylax Dives acting as the Challenge logo this year.)

I'm spoiled for biographies as I've a few yet to read, but I think I'll go with The Ring of Words: Tolkien and the Oxford English Dictionary by Peter Gilliver, E.S.C. Weiner and Jeremy Marshall, as the narrow focus appeals to me at the moment.

I've had The Art of The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien on my TBR list for too long. It's a beautiful-looking book, and Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull are such ardent Tolkien scholars - knowledgeable, but never dry.

The last category, I'm not sure of at all yet, but perhaps The Mythology Of Tolkien's Middle Earth by Ruth S. Noel, a book I know to be flawed, but which, in a perverse way, is part of its attraction.

All of which is absolutely subject to change on a whim!


message 5: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments I'm confused, when I go to set my shelf up it says the challenge has ended.


message 6: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments *never mind was looking at 2017 hah..


message 7: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Easily done, Aaron 😁

I think there's been a number of requests from various Group moderators for previous challenges to be made less prominent on the home page.


message 8: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments Hmm there's no way to separate your Tolkien challenge with your personal challenge? I thought there used to be a way.


message 9: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
The books you read for the Tolkien Challenge will form part of your annual Goodreads Challenge, but not vice versa.


message 10: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments Ok thanks for clarification.


message 11: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Just to be super clear :-D ...

The shelf you use for the Tolkien Challenge would need to be a new, unique one that you only use for those books you read as a part of this challenge. As an example, my shelf name is:

tolkien-2018-reading-challenge

Hope this helps :-)


message 12: by AJ (last edited Mar 05, 2018 04:40PM) (new)

AJ | 78 comments I created one called Middle Earth, but when I go to add books it takes me to my general challenge. I'm odd because I don't do the challenges, but I wanted to do this, so I'll probably just leave it as 2 books and then complete it when I'm done reading them.


message 13: by Tracey (last edited Mar 25, 2018 09:04PM) (new)

Tracey (stewartry) | 36 comments I'm planning on listening to the trilogy, The Silmarillion and The Children of Hurin, and on reading Tolkien and the West: Recovering the Lost Tradition of Europe. I'm about halfway through the Silm; hopefully it won't take me the rest of the year by itself.


message 14: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments I was bored to tears with The Children of Hurin, even though Christopher Lee was narrating, still audio is the way to go with that one I think.


message 15: by Tracey (new)

Tracey (stewartry) | 36 comments Audio has gotten me through a good number of books I couldn't plow through in print.


message 16: by Tracey (new)

Tracey (stewartry) | 36 comments I think I just added a book to my challenge. There's an exhibition about to open at the Bodleian Library of unpublished artwork by Tolkien, and the book will be out in July (in the US - June in the UK). I think this will be my birthday present to myself. Precious.




message 17: by AJ (last edited Mar 26, 2018 06:37PM) (new)

AJ | 78 comments Is that watercolor one of Tolkien's? I knew he did some drawings, but I never really paid attention.


message 18: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Tracey wrote: "I think I just added a book to my challenge. There's an exhibition about to open at the Bodleian Library of unpublished artwork by Tolkien, and the book will be out in July (in the US - June in the..."

I'm trying to persuade my wife that she does want to go with me to this exhibition!

Bodleian Tolkien Exhibition.


message 19: by Michael (last edited Mar 27, 2018 05:22AM) (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Aaron wrote: "Is that watercolor one of Tolkien's? I knew he did some drawings, but I never really paid attention."

Tolkien painted several colour plates for The Hobbit, which are included in many editions of the book.

Hammond and Scull's The Art of The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien is a fantastic examination of Tolkien's influences and development as an artist, focusing, naturally, on the paintings and drawings he did for The Hobbit. The same authors look more widely at Tolkien the artist in J.R.R.Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator.


message 20: by Tara (last edited Mar 27, 2018 06:01AM) (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Michael wrote: "Aaron wrote: "Is that watercolor one of Tolkien's? I knew he did some drawings, but I never really paid attention."

Tolkien painted several colour plates for The Hobbit, which are in..."

I have the The Art of the Hobbit and I can also highly recommend. I am not a big art person per se, but something about Tolkien's style really draws me in (forgive the pun). If you are into that kind of thing, The Art of The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien The Art of The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien by Wayne G. Hammond is also wonderful to pour over.


message 21: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Tara wrote: "If you are into that kind of thing, The Art of The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien The Art of The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien by Wayne G. Hammond is also wonderful to pour over. "

I am into that kind of thing! :-D

I've got that to read, Tara. It does look fantastic :-)


message 22: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments Wow thanks! I did not realize his watercolor is really good!


message 23: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Tolkien was very self-deprecating about his artwork, and never felt like it was good enough for publication, but it is really quite delightful!


message 24: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
His landscapes and abstract designs are usually excellent. He was scathing about his ability to render people, and to be fair, he's right; they could generously be described as having naïve charm.


message 25: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments That is definitely the general consensus about his strengths and weaknesses Michael. Although I agree that from a realistic POV his characters are lacking, I still rather enjoy them for what they are. His depiction of Smaug is iconic for me.


message 26: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Tracey wrote: "I think I just added a book to my challenge. There's an exhibition about to open at the Bodleian Library of unpublished artwork by Tolkien, and the book will be out in July (in the US - June in the..."
Tracey, will you be shelling out for the collector's edition, or the standard hardcover version? Currently I am strongly considering getting the hardcover, but perhaps its worth the extra dough for the special edition.


message 27: by Tracey (new)

Tracey (stewartry) | 36 comments I doubt I can justify the collector's edition to myself ... We'll see how my bank account looks when my birthday gets closer. Or I'll just find a friend who has it and steal it from him (without strangling him)... then retreat to my cave - I mean bedroom - to admire it.


message 28: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Ah, those tricksy birthday gifts, always causing trouble...I love beautiful books, but then I tend to be afraid to take them off the shelf, which totally defeats the purpose of getting them.


message 29: by Tracey (new)

Tracey (stewartry) | 36 comments That's actually a strong argument for me against buying the collector's edition... If I so much bruised the jacket it would feel like I flushed money down the drain.


message 30: by AJ (new)

AJ | 78 comments That's why I buy two, one to use and one to preserve in mint condition.


message 32: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Hannu wrote: "My Tolkien challenge of this year:

- The Hobbit
- The Lord of the Rings
- The Silmarillion
- Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle Earth
- [book:..."


That's an impressive target, Hannu! Good luck ☺


message 33: by Scott (new)

Scott Gottstein | 2 comments Just finished the LotR. Going to tackle the Silmarillion and HoME.


message 34: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Scott wrote: "Just finished the LotR. Going to tackle the Silmarillion and HoME."

And once you finish The Silmarillion and HoME, you can go back and read LotR again, and will have a whole new appreciation of references and back stories :)


message 35: by João (new)

João (joaolsn) | 1 comments I am Brazilian and finally the publisher will bring new titles to the country. I'm waiting for the publication of The Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien in portuguese to read them later this year.


message 36: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
João wrote: "I am Brazilian and finally the publisher will bring new titles to the country. I'm waiting for the publication of The Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien in portuguese to read them later this year."

Sounds like you've had to wait a while for Beren and Lúthien, João, but at least you'll be getting The Fall of Gondor in good time :-)


message 37: by Hannu (last edited Nov 07, 2018 09:28AM) (new)

Hannu Venesperä (chappie-san) | 4 comments My year so far:

My target was to read 10 books which I've already surpassed (11 books). With the exception of BoLT 1 & 2 I've read all of the books I'd planned to read. I have also read some books I didn't initially have on my list: The Story of Kullervo, The Fall of Gondolin and Realms of Tolkien.

Currently I'm reading The Book of Lost Tales, Part One, The Monsters and Critics and Other Essays and The Road to Middle-earth.


message 38: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments I finally updated my Tolkien reading challenge. I did 13! My original goal was to read five, but as I was reading the History of Middle Earth I found I had to continue reading them. I've now hit a History-slump unfortunately. I'll try to finish Morgoth's Ring this year too. Just need to dive in again..


message 39: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments That's quite the accomplishment, those books are no joke!


message 40: by Max (last edited Dec 04, 2018 11:13PM) (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Tara wrote: "That's quite the accomplishment, those books are no joke!"

Thank you! There were a few in the series, I think number 5 or 6 that were really easy to read, those were about the Lord of the Rings beginnings. The rest was a little harder but very interesting none the less. :-)

I'll try for five again next year!

I really want to read The History of the Hobbit soon so I might buy it for myself as a holiday gift.


message 41: by Tara (new)

Tara  | 63 comments Max wrote: "Tara wrote: "That's quite the accomplishment, those books are no joke!"

Thank you! There were a few in the series, I think number 5 or 6 that were really easy to read, those were about the Lord of..."


I've read The Treason of Isengard and The War of the Ring, but I want to go back and read the series in order. I don't care for the bits about maps and geography, but the changes in the character and story development are interesting.


message 42: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Tara wrote: "I've read The Treason of Isengard and The War of the Ring, but I want to go back and read the series in order. I don't care for the bits about maps and geography, but the changes in the character and story development are interesting."

Totally agreed! I hope you get to read the whole series sometime.

I got most of mine in the thrift shop but I'm missing The Peoples of Middle-earth still, so I might just buy it new. xD


message 43: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Happy new year, everyone! I'm already thinking about my Tolkien 2019 goal.. :-D


message 44: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Corbier wrote: "Will there be a 2019 challenge as well?"

I hope so!


message 45: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Real life continues to intrude, so thank you for the gentle reminders. A 2019 Challenge will be available shortly ☺


message 46: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Michael wrote: "Real life continues to intrude, so thank you for the gentle reminders. A 2019 Challenge will be available shortly ☺"

Fun, thank you so much! No hurries!


message 47: by Michael (new)

Michael | 455 comments Mod
Max wrote: "Michael wrote: "Real life continues to intrude, so thank you for the gentle reminders. A 2019 Challenge will be available shortly ☺"

Fun, thank you so much! No hurries!"


No hurries, no worries!! It's up and running now :-D


message 48: by Max (new)

Max (crabbymaxie) | 24 comments Thank you, yay!! :-)


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