Christian Speculative Fiction discussion
The three fundamental No-no's in Christian fiction
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I take your point about this being rather different from 'blind' or general superstition, in that it's focused on a charismatic individual who abuses his followers' trust.
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If you need any more examples, let me know.
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I take your point about this being rather different from 'blind' or general superstition, in that it's focused on a charismatic individual who abuses his foll..."
It is definitely spiritual abuse.
Great thread. A couple of points I want to make:1) About taking God's name in vain. Unfortunately, most bibles translate "YHWH" as "the Lord", which really loses it's impact. The Bible repeatedly talks about the power in the name of the Lord and his "name" isn't "the Lord." It's YHWH. With that, I firmly believe that exclaiming "oh my God!" or even g*dd**n is not taking his name in vain. Of course, so long as your audience feels that it is then you must write accordingly. I still tell my children not to say "oh my God", but only because in American Christian culture that is thought to be taking God's name in vain.
2) I have no problem with swear words provided they fit the character. I wrote my first draft with more of them but the more I proofed the more I realized I could get away with "he cursed". I don't believe anything is lost in doing that and it makes my book more accessible to a wider audience (not just Christians, but younger audiences as well.) I still have some swearing but it's limited to the more "acceptable" swear words.
3) In most cases, I think it's a matter of avoiding gratuitousness. Whether it's swearing, violence or sex, there are ways to do it without glorifying in the details. Characters can have sex if it's integral to the plot, but if it's just there to add sex appeal, that's kind of where you lose me. We can write about evil behavior but should also be portraying that behavior for what it is.
4) It's really does come down to the story and the characters and writing what is realistic. Most stories are about redeeming characters in one way or another, but if a story glorifies sex, swearing, and violence, then you might lose the ability to redeem the reader as well.
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1) About taking God's name in vain. Unfortunately, most bibles translate "YHWH" as "the Lord", which really loses it's impact. The Bible repeatedly..."
Hi there.
So, if we focus on writing well, some of the no-nos will be taken care of anyway. Great writing, in my opinion, is never gratuitous or solely to titillate. It is driven by the characters, by the situations they find themselves in, and by realism in both. By changing the conversation to what makes good writing rather than what we should avoid, maybe we kill two birds with one stone, as it were.
Thoughts, people?
Lauren wrote: "Great writing, in my opinion, is never gratuitous or solely to titillate."Such a great point!
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This comment is pure gold! It is the balance that we must strike, the goal of which we cannot lost sight!
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Do we want to redirect the thread now, focusing on characteristics of good writing, but building on the foundation of all that was previously said?
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1) About taking God's name in vain. Unfortunately, most bibles translate "YHWH" as "the Lord", which really loses it's impact."…
I've been away for a while, so missed the end of this thread. But I feel your summary says it all, Stoney.
Thanks, everyone, for a great discussion. This has done a lot to clarify my own thinking about these issues.
My WIP is a Christian thriller. The MC is an Army major who is gruff. He is a Christian, but as I said very gruff. I want to you one PG curse word in this scene: He was in Hell and needed morphine to stop the excruciating pain. Where was that medic? Frank writhed in agony, his twisted form crumpled into the wet ground. Ice-cold hands touched his blood-soaked face. “Medic?” Frank’s raspy voice called out. He couldn’t open his swollen eyelids.
When Frank is asking where the medic is, I want to use the D word which I feel is part of his character, especially due to the fact he was just severely injured.
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I'm with you 100%, Debra. I've had exactly the same dilemma in my writing. It's just not true to some characters' personality to stop them from cussing—even if only mildly. And if the aim is to reach non-Christians as well as believers, should we be sparing our fellow-believers' blushes or identifying with readers who don't know Christ? Jesus certainly took the second option!
Steve wrote: "Stoney wrote: "Great thread. A couple of points I want to make:1) About taking God's name in vain. Unfortunately, most bibles translate "YHWH" as "the Lord", which really loses it's impact."…
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I personally feel it is fine, especially military. Cussing is not an accurate depiction of sanctification of the spirit. Persistent cussing throughout a lifetime with no signs of maturity is, however. Christ's spirit within us commands us to grow in maturity, so as believers and those who seek His will, it stands to reason that as we mature we would be more graded and wise in how who talk to WHO we talk.
Like when im with my best friend, i'm way more comfortable cussing. We've been intimately involved in each other's walks with Christ since we were schoolboys. We know where we stand and we know our relationships with God. We've seen each others struggles and victories and how God's will is working in our lives.
When i'm with a new friend? I am far wiser with my word choice, because my witness has more at stake.
Anyway, all that was contextual. This is all to say just be wise about using cussing. I use cuss words in my novel, but I try to give them "umph". Use them naturally and enough to give character, but I try not to be frivolous with them because then it just comes across as excess. If anything though, I find it weird when characters that are very human don't cuss it certain situations.
In Harry Potter, when Mrs. Weasley yelled at Bellatrix "Get off my daughter you BITCH!", I think it was the first time that word was used in the entire series. But I can't think of one person that wasn't like "Yep, that was appropriate. Screw Bellatrix."
Make it natural. Make it powerful. Make it effectual. And if you're still concerned, earnestly pray about it. Worst case scenario is to lean on the side of caution and just don't use, there are always work arounds.
I think it can be very difficult to write believable characters that don't, occasionally swear. I have opted to, sparingly, use the "PG" curse words in my book. At times I moved into more PG-13 territory but, in the end, it just didn't feel necessary. It may have been fine for the characters but it wasn't fine for me or the book I wanted to write. In most cases, I opted to write that the character "cursed." For me, this loses none of the believability without having to actually add the words to the manuscript.I don't know if I should be, but I'm particularly proud of this bit of scene from my WIP:
I’m exhausted, but I know we don’t have time to rest. I tell the team what they already know, “We have twenty-four hours until we run out of air. If we don’t find some soon we’re pretty much—”
KJ drops an F-Bomb, which is almost the exact the word I was going to use. She’s frantically tapping the air gauge on her arm. “I’ve got a leak,” she tells us. “I’m down to six hours.”
Not sure if that there disqualifies me for a Christian audience or not.
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Certainly not in the UK. That would be extremely mild and restrained! But the US Christian world is a different kettle of fish, from all I've heard.
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I don't have a problem with it. I think you're looking at realistic and appropriate usage. But, again, only you can decide whether there is a better course of action.
Scripture states that Peter cursed, but it doesn't tell us what words he used. Paul considered all his accomplishments before knowing Christ to be rubbish - the Greek word there is probably best translated as "refuse". That could be communicated as "sh*t", "squat", or "dung", among other options. And, we have in the OT David cutting off part of Saul's rob when he was in a cave relieving himself, but translators typically don't spell it out so clearly. A similar usage is found on Mount Carmel where the taunt is - maybe Baal is on the toilet and can't answer your prayers.
Off the top of my head, I think all those references are correct.
All that to say, Scripture is probably rated R (or worse, depending on how one interprets Song of Solomon) but the church is not comfortable with that.
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I think that is a very respectable way to approach it! It goes beyond the interpretative statement that the character cursed. Virtually every reader will know what it says, without spelling it out completely.
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Certainly not in the UK. That would be extremely mild and restrained! But the US Christian world is a differ..."
*sigh* Yes, the US audience is extremely sensitive to every uncomfortable thing. I even have difficulty talking about my real life experiences without church people trying to sanitize it. My writing is mostly G to PG, but my life's experiences are not so mild.
Debra, your military character would still be using extremely mild language even with the cuss word added compared to the military people I have known. When life and death is on the line, it is hard to find a better response to the intensity, even as a Sprite-filled Christian.
It is funny how we apologize for being human and feeling pain or anguish. I agree with Justin that maturity in the Spirit leads us away from cussing, but I do find it silly to sanitize the intensity of a traumatizing experience. Even Christians are not perfect when under pressure. I once had a non-Christian relative tell me how she felt like Christians were all fake people who weren't aware of their own emotions. She felt comfort in seeing me and my husband deal with life in a very honest and transparent way. Our testimony came through our weaknesses and flaws, not in our perfection and strength. Flawed Christians (which are lacking in Christian fiction) are sometimes the very people we would most sympathize with.
Stan wrote: "Stoney wrote: "KJ drops an F-Bomb"I think that is a very respectable way to approach it! It goes beyond the interpretative statement that the character cursed. Virtually every reader will know wh..."
I agree with these points. Well spoken
Steve wrote: "Debra wrote: "I want to use the D word which I feel is part of his character, especially due to the fact he was just severely injured..."I'm with you 100%, Debra. I've had exactly the same dilemm..."
Debra wrote: "My WIP is a Christian thriller. The MC is an Army major who is gruff. He is a Christian, but as I said very gruff. I want to you one PG curse word in this scene:
He was in Hell and needed morphine..."
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Debra wrote: "My WIP is a Christian thriller. The MC is an Army major who is gruff. He is a Christian, but as I said very gruff. I want to you one PG curse word in this scene: He was in Hell and needed morphine..."
Thank you.
Justin wrote: "Steve wrote: "Stoney wrote: "Great thread. A couple of points I want to make:1) About taking God's name in vain. Unfortunately, most bibles translate "YHWH" as "the Lord", which really loses it's..."
Steve wrote: "Debra wrote: "I want to use the D word which I feel is part of his character, especially due to the fact he was just severely injured..."
I'm with you 100%, Debra. I've had exactly the same dilemm..."
Thank you Justin.
Debra wrote:"All that to say, Scripture is probably rated R (or worse, depending on how one interprets Song of Solomon) but the church is not comfortable with that."I fully agree with this. I find it funny how prudish the church can be when the bible isn't. Now, it doesn't glorify in the sinfulness, like the world does, but it doesn't shy away from it either.
Stan wrote: "I think that is a very respectable way to approach it! It goes beyond the interpretative statement that the character cursed. "
:( I'm not sure I was going for respectable. More like, humorous. Well, okay, humorous while being "respectable." :)
Good Morning Everyone!Is this thread still alive?? If not I'd love to reopen it!
I'm always down for a good ol' controversial chat about Christian media and our place in the "mainstream" world...
I'll start, and I hope there's an interest enough to start discussions again.
Very interesting comments on here already. I'll just ask this for now:
As a "CHRISTIAN AUTHOR" who are you writing for???
I think once we can all answer that question for ourselves it would make a lot of the debate easier...
If you are writing to minister to other Christians for example;
Those "no-no's" are probably a pretty good thing to follow. We don't know where another believer may be at, and want to avoid becoming a stumbling block to anyone, if sex, swearing or anything like that may cause them to fall back into a particular sin or something...Prime example, if you're a doctor or PHD from seminary, trying to write a book on spiritual development or how to equip church leaders or something, OR if your desire is to strengthen other CHURCH GOING people, than I would say YES, follow the "no-no" list...
BUT,
are we talking about FICTION here?
even then, I think the above principal should apply, if your target audience is CHRISTIANS.
If your writing for the unchurched or trying to gain traction with the secular world than I don't think there is a need for a "no-no" list.
And here's why...
I have too much to say about the issue, so I'll leave it to further discussions to arise out of this to make more points, but I will say this for now, until the talking starts up...
Try showing FIREPROOF, or COURAGEOUS, or GOD'S NOT DEAD or LEFTBEHIND to some of your friends. And YOU KNOW who I mean. We all have that one or more friend(s) who just HATES God and "religion" You all have someone in mind right now as you read it.
Show them this Christian media, or introduce a Christian book to them, like THE SHACK or something...NOT Narnia or Lord of the Rings...LOL.
See if they take it seriously, and not laugh in your face, completely disregard the content or even if they finish watching or reading, without a few mocking scoffs and cynical comments...
I'm not saying we open the floodgates and produce Martin Scorcese style fiction, but if we limit our creativity and writing to fit in a Christian box than the only people we will reach is other Christians.
Again,
not saying there's anything wrong with that, it just goes back to my original question...
Who are you writing for?
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Is this thread still alive?? If not I'd love to reopen it!
I'm always down for a good ol' controversial chat about Christian media and our place in the "mainstream" world......"
Good points. When it comes to Christain fiction, even for the Christain market, I think we get a bit too shy to about having our Christain character in the real world with non-Christain people. Even with the question of audience, I would argue that in fiction we need to create honest struggles in a fallen world. The three no-nos assume that one can make rules without context. I don't break these rules typically, but I never just assume that I can't.
The no-no line in Christian writing is one of the issues I have had when writing my books, which are hard to put into a genre. While the book I've written is set in modern time on earth, one of the main characters is a human, who has been raised an atheist and suddenly given the ability to see the spiritual world around her. She comes from an entirely negative view of Christianity and part of the journey in the book the reader takes with her as she learns from a Marked angel what having her visions means. Creating this world with Angels, Demons, Marked Angels, and human that can see them in a modern-day somewhat terrifies me, even now. These stories were written with the mindset to reach people who wouldn't want to pick up a Christian novel. The genre it has been put in could be Paranormal Romance or Christian Fantasy. By doing that I put myself somewhere in the crosshairs, where both can criticize me, non-Christians for being preachy, and by Christians for writing something that they could consider blasphemy.
Lara wrote: "Ryan wrote: "Good Morning Everyone!Is this thread still alive?? If not I'd love to reopen it!
I'm always down for a good ol' controversial chat about Christian media and our place in the "mainstr..."
Lara, thanks for your insights!
Isn't interesting that, even though you say you don't break the rules, you just assume that you can't?
Why is this!?
And I also picked up on the fact that you said, "when writing your Christian character" in a non-Christian world...
What happens when we write a non-Christian character??
Is that in itself a "no-no"? lol.
That's my point, is why are we limited to just writing Christian characters that only Kirk Cameron, Alex Kedricks, or Kevin Sorbo would be suited to play?
Why can we not write a part for Jared Leto, Tom Hardy, Leonardo DiCaprio, or Steve Buescemi? A raw and gritty role that's edgy?
I just find it unbelievable, especially if the goal is to invoke emotion or thought from a reader through dialogue, but the dialogue is dry and cheese and safe. For instance a character is upset and torn up inside about the death of a child or is feeling some intense anger and they just say something like: "oh darn!" or "I'm so friggen mad!" It just doesn't come across as real and you lose your reader to laughter and giggles and snickering.
I'm not saying to give in to gratuitousness, but I'm just saying there has to be a little give.
Char'Lee wrote: "The no-no line in Christian writing is one of the issues I have had when writing my books, which are hard to put into a genre. While the book I've written is set in modern time on earth, one of the..."Char'Lee, thanks for sharing!
I love this discussion already!
I think it's interesting that you said you're worried about criticism from within the church regarding blasphemy.
this is one of my struggles as well!
In fact, I've even been to "ashamed" to share my book with my own congregation. there has been a few conversations around the back coffee table after service, but I still remain widely skeptical to promote my books within the church.
It's a feeling that I absolutely hate though!! Why do I feel that way? It's an honest and gritty story about the bible and time-travel and mostly the human condition and how we can respond to an evil world...but because of the swearing, the violence, even on the cover, and the other "mature-content" I'm afraid to let another Christian read it...
Maybe it's my own deal, and it's in my head, but especially with other more "respected" members of the church, if I could put it that way...such as other elders I serve on the board with, or the older generation of church ladies, pastor's wives, even the male lay staff...Apart from them, there is a very select few of my Christian friends that I've shared my book with, because I feel more comfortable with them, their maturity level to be able to handle the content, or I just feel like they're more down to earth people?? I don't know...
I've just recently reached out to a couple of Christian bookstores to see if they're agreeable to have me in for a signing or keep my books on consignment, but...the moderator of course said she has to read anything before agreeing, and I'm worried that after reading them she'll say no and this kind of work is unacceptable to promote.
Thoughts??
Ryan,I understand and can relate to your struggle in this area as well. There are some members of my church that I feel as well, are farther in their walk with God than others, and for that reason only not quite as judgemental. I too have had a difficult time sharing my book with my congregation. There are only a select few that I feel are not "too religious" and will be able to read my story for what it is, which is how people tend to lay blame at God's feet when it is Satan and his demons at work.
There were even a few that the mere mention of putting demons in a Christian based book, seemed to ruffle their feathers, this I do not understand. If we believe in the Bible and God acknowledges that we have to battle demons here on earth. Then why it is wrong to write about some of these battles that take place?
As for attempting to put my books on the shelves of a Christian bookstore, you are braver than I. I still haven't worked up the courage to submit my work. However, at the same time, I think this fear and worry that we face is also Satan trying to use our own doubts about something we've created to help bring people to our father God in an attempt to stop us.
Char'Lee wrote: "Ryan,I understand and can relate to your struggle in this area as well. There are some members of my church that I feel as well, are farther in their walk with God than others, and for that reaso..."
Too Relgious...
That's a great phrase!
Seeing as how that's exactly what Christ was accusing the Pharisees of. Too many "rules" and not enough passion for the lost and not enough LOVE, & UNDERSTANDING.
The elitist attitude that made belief in God a CLUB rather than a life changing way to live!
My books talk about this issue a lot. They're actually a modern day look at what Christ's ministry and other parts of the Bible would look like if they happened today in our world instead of ancient times. It's a time-travel gone awry story.
I think we often forget or like to pretend that this false image of an angry God that rest of the world has is not misplaced. But, if God is in fact angry at anything, it's actually backwards and the rest of the world would be surprised to find out that if He's mad at anyone, it's US! For getting it all wrong, the way we often minister to people, or at least for the way we DON'T minister to people, I.E. missing out on reaching "unsavory" people for fear of being associated with them, or be seen associating with them by others at our respective churches!
Char'Lee I'd be interested in checking out your books. The spiritual warfare side of life is something that greatly intrigues me since I was very little.
Thanks for your comments, I enjoy this thread
People, keep the conversation going!
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I think one of the lines Christians have to straddle is between depicting something and reveling in it. The Bible routinely depicts sinful behavior, but it in no way revels in it or glorifies it. A good spy movie can depict torture, but a movie like Saw revels in it. You can depict two people sleeping together and still have a rated PG movie, or you can go hard R (or X) by reveling in it. Far too often Christians get bent out of shape by certain depictions. Granted we don't like it when "sinful" depictions are unnecessary to the story, but at the same time, the depiction itself can just be a part of showing real life, even if it's not ideal.
At the same time, other Christians might tend to revel in certain behaviors and want a pass for it. We have to remember, Jesus at no time reveled in sin. He forgave it but didn't give it a pass.
And then there are the cultural aspects of it. Soft "swear words" such as damn and hell are more and more acceptable in modern culture even with Christians. Years ago, not so much. Are swear words sin, or are they just words that are deemed vulgar by changing cultural standards? That's the tricky thing to decide.
I'm sure my book would offend some Christians, but at the same time, I wanted a book that would be rated PG-13 at worst. My characters swear more than I do but I don't print the most offensive swear words they might say. I, personally, feel it is just as effective to say they cursed. I don't mind depicting relationships but I don't need to give a sexual play-by-play either. In the end, I have to ask my self if it's necessary for the story or am I just doing it because I want it in there. In the end, the fewer people I offend (Christians or non-Christians) the wider appeal my book has, so long as I'm still being true to my characters.
Stoney wrote: "I think one of the lines Christians have to straddle is between depicting something and reveling in it. The Bible routinely depicts sinful behavior, but it in no way revels in it or glorifies it. A..."Stoney,
Exactly! I agree 100%!
There is a major difference in depicting situations, human behavior, realistic dialogue for the sake of story telling, and as you said; reveling in it or GLORIFYING it!
I think as long as we are not crossing a line in which we are glamourizing and romanticising these things we're ok.
But what do we do with the remainder of people though who will condemn us for using a bit of language or violence in our stories--asking us the questions like:
How can you promote these things as a Christian, or How can you write these things? How can you call yourself a Christian? where must your heart be at? Etc. Etc...??
I think we have to point them to Jesus who was routinely asked questions like these. Jesus was questioned for breaking the Sabbath, hanging out with sinners and a whole lot more. As long as we do that in love, and know that we are not promoting or glorifying the sinful behavior depicted, then that's all we can do.
This is a great discussion! I write Christian Sci-Fi with realistic characters (not published yet, but hoping to be!). Most of them are Christians, but some are unbelievers. My characters, both Christian and otherwise, struggle with common sins (pornography, pride, hypocrisy, etc.). Yet while I depict the consequences, I never describe the pornography. I believe it's important to be authentic but not gratuitous, like Stoney pointed out. My generation especially (Millennial here!) is looking for fiction that genuinely examines issues they struggle with. I believe that the best balance is being honest about the fallen nature of the world, but not glorying in it, to ultimately point others to Christ.
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I've been following this thread again, and I couldn't agree more, Stoney. I think this is what it means to use our writing as a tool for showing God's love to unbelievers. Even if it's not overt in our work, the underlying messages and the way we treat those no-nos when we write them will exemplify our relationship with God and our beliefs about who He is.
Ella, I think you make a great point about people being desensitized to sin. We have to be careful not to be a part of that desensitization. Again, I point back to the Bible that depected but didn’t glorify sin. But I do think that many Christians have turned a lot of stuff into “sin” that wasn’t necessarily decreed from God. That makes it hard because we risk offending Christians for things that are not offensive to God. Paul had a similar problem. Christians were offended by eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols. Paul, ultimately said, Ifyou don’t know, don’t care. But if you do, then don’t eat it so as not to offend others.
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Hi Ryan. As of yet, I'm unpublished. So far, none of my characters is a Christian. How people will label my stories is up to them. The arc I have in mind will span several books. One character, out of the main storyline for the first books, is on a spiritual quest because his beliefs have ceased to make sense in the grand scheme of things. He is one of my main character's father. He will be referenced in the stories and he was influential in the lives of several characters. So, when he returns, he'll have voice. In the meantime, the storylines will deal with friendship, honor, revenge, and even the concept of self-mastery. All that set in a Cyberpunk scenario. It'll have some grit, but not overkill.
So, yeah, I believe we can write non-Christian characters, but we don't have to write them without morals or ethical codes. One of my main characters will avoid many temptations due to his belief that one cannot master anything until he or she has mastered self. I hope to get a lot of mileage out of that standard in this character.
Yeah, lots of ways to write non-Christian characters and not all of them have to be unsavory. That said, he will still have to deal with an emptiness inside and his own inability to master self.
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Some great insights Stoney. I also like your comments about some of the things that get called sin by Christians that God never called sin.
The particular question of profanity is more real now to me than ever. I live in Brazil and the Portuguese language has degrees of intensity on some words. A word may or may not be considered "profane" by the intensity of context. For those words, I just don't ever say them so as not to botch something unknowingly.
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A common thought in this thread. I think many of us agree.
My wife loves Literature and many of the older works (1700-1800 I think) said a lot without saying anything explicitly. They had coded phrases that said everything about sexual relationships without explicitly saying so.
Then, there are hints in several books that characters may have been homosexual without ever stating it outright or describing situations that would actually affirm this.
And then, there's Song of Songs/Song of Solomon that was prohibited reading for men under 30 in ancient times. And, if you know the symbolism you know why. If you didn't know, coconuts and honey are figurative. That's all I'm going to say about that.
So, there are a lot of ways to say things without saying them. We are not obligated to be explicit or gratuitous in our honest presentations of the world (or fictional worlds) in which our characters live.
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Here is his description of one character. "He was chiefly distinguished among men of birth for general obscenity of speech and morphological inventiveness in blasphemy." He sets the expectations for the character's excessive use of profanity and then simply inserts comments like "then he became unprintable" when the character's speech turns to profanity.
Anyone else know of authors who use this kind of approach?
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I love that! It is much more creative than when I write "and he swore" instead of writing the words. I find most modern writers just either write the words or don't. I imagine one would have to go back to the 1950s or earlier to find others who do this.
I think this is part of an older style of writing where the author spoke more directly to the reader. I'm reading 20K Leagues under the sea and one of the chapters starts off something like, "Where we left off in the last chapter..." A lot of the classic novels spoke directly to the reader that way. It's a POV that can work, but I think you have to be consistent with it.
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"it was not because of his barbarities many of which transcend the possibilities of decent print—but"
I'm really enjoying Sabatini!
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That is definitely true! I was a taken off guard a bit when I read The Count of Monte Cristo and saw Dumas doing that. It is definitely a different style of writing, but may have something to do with the fact that a number of older works were published in weekly or monthly magazines one section (chapter?) at a time, which I believe was the case with The Count of Monte Cristo.
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Stoney, I think modern writing has been heavily influenced by TV and movies. The only time you see a character on TV or movies refer to the audience is in comedies. I saw a writing book that said that this omniscient narrator has pretty much been deligated to children's books now. It kind of makes me want to try it out.
Stan, I like Sabatini as well. He has inspired me to pull a character from my latest book and make her the main character of a future novel, a mermaid princess pirate (flashbacks to when I was eight years old, LOL!). It will be cooler than it sounds. She seems to be everyone's favorite character in The Shadow of the Gryphon. With pirates, I may have a chance to have fun with not swearing!
Can't start the new novel until I finish these other ones though... Argh!
Lara wrote: "The only time you see a character on TV or movies refer to the audience is in comedies."Except for House of Cards.
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