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message 1: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Use this thread to share quotes that you found especially moving, powerful, enlightening or even curious. Feel free, but not necessarily obligated, to share why you found the passage of note.


message 2: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
"[T]he modern mind is as averse to precision in ideas as it is enamored of precision in measurement."

This struck me as a brilliant encapsulation of one of the critical problems with modern society.


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
John wrote: ""[T]he modern mind is as averse to precision in ideas as it is enamored of precision in measurement."

This struck me as a brilliant encapsulation of one of the critical problems with modern society."


Yes, I got that quote too. And this one, just a little later:

We must begin by a definition, although definition involves a mental effort and therefore repels.


message 4: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments "He (Arius) suffered from much vanity, as do nearly all reformers."


message 5: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Jill wrote: ""He (Arius) suffered from much vanity, as do nearly all reformers.""

I loved that, and there is a huge truth there - what arrogance to think that you, above all other men and women, know better how to restructure society, the Church, etc. - and it seems to me that the true reformers, St. Francis for example, lived lives of purity that attracted others to them and by their light showed the way back to the narrow path.


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
John wrote: "it seems to me that the true reformers, St. Francis for example, lived lives of purity that attracted others to them and by their light showed the way back to the narrow path."

As in the quote attributed to St.Francis: Always preach the Gospel. Use words if necessary.


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
Most of the book is quotable, but I'll limit myself to just one quotation from chapter 5, which can be applied specially now:

It is very difficult to say when the tide turns in the great processes of history. But one rule may be wisely applied; the turn of the tide comes earlier than men judging by surface phenomena conceive. Any great system... has really begun to break down long before the outside observer can note any change.


message 8: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Manuel wrote: "Most of the book is quotable, but I'll limit myself to just one quotation from chapter 5, which can be applied specially now:

It is very difficult to say when the tide turns in the great processes..."


Yes. I thought that especially apt to our own day in which the tide seems to be running hard against us and the seeds of our seeming impending destruction were sown decades ago.


message 9: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments "The one unforgivable sin was reconciliation with the Catholic Church...All heresies make that their chief point."


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
From chapter 6:

If you deny the value of human reason, if you say that we cannot through our reason arrive at any truth, then not even the affirmation so made can be true. Nothing can be true, and nothing is worth saying.



message 11: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Manuel wrote: "From chapter 6:

If you deny the value of human reason, if you say that we cannot through our reason arrive at any truth, then not even the affirmation so made can be true. Nothing can be true, an..."


You beat me to it! :-)


message 12: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
From Chapter 6:

"That a document should contain prophecy was taken to prove that it must have been written after the event. Every inconvenient text was labeled an interpolation. In fine, when this spirit (which was the very product of Protestantism itself) had done with the Bible - the very foundation of Protestantism - it had left nothing of Protestantism but a mass of ruins."

This same spirit has infected the Church itself, of course. I refer to this approach to the Bible as the hermeneutic of disbelief.


message 13: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments "What only gradually entered the mind of Europe was the fact that on account of this permanent division, men were coming to regard religion itself as a secondary thing," less tangible hence less important than money and political power (I'm paraphrasing).


message 14: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments "The future is not decided for men by a public vote [majority rule]; it is decided by the growth of ideas."


message 15: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
From Chapter 7:

"[T]he neglect of human dignity, the potential, if not actual, denial of the doctrine of free will, have led by a natural consequence to what are already semi-servile institutions."


message 16: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Also from Chapter 7:

"Next to the social fruit of the Modern Attack on the Catholic Church is the moral fruit, which extends of course over the whole moral nature of man. And throughout this field its business so far has been to undermine every form of restraint imposed by human experience acting through tradition."

And of course this continues - the normalization of every perversion continues apace; today's gender insanity is merely the latest in this long trail noted by Belloc. One fears to contemplate what is next. I would expect NAMBLA to have their turn in the progressive sun next, if only they can figure out how to simultaneously condemn it when it arises as an aberrant perversion in the Catholic Church.


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
John wrote: "Also from Chapter 7..."

My version of this book only has 6 chapters (plus the introduction). Perhaps in your edition the introduction is chapter 1?


message 18: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments What is NAMBLA?


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
Jill wrote: "What is NAMBLA?"

The American Association to promote pederasty and pedophilia (North American Man/Boy Love Association)


message 20: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Manuel wrote: "John wrote: "Also from Chapter 7..."

My version of this book only has 6 chapters (plus the introduction). Perhaps in your edition the introduction is chapter 1?"


It could be. I am in Minnesota for the next week or so and left my copy of the book in Florida. Is Arianism the second chapter in your book? I think it is the third chapter in my copy.


Manuel Alfonseca | 2474 comments Mod
John wrote: "Is Arianism the second chapter in your book? I think it is the third chapter in my copy."

Yes, in my copy Chapter Two is "The Arian Heresy." Chapter One is "Scheme of this book" and the Introduction has no chapter number.


message 22: by Jill (new)

Jill A. | 946 comments My book (Tan 1991 reissue) has Heresy (intro) as chapter 1, so Arianism is 3, Modern Phase 7.


message 23: by John (new)

John Seymour | 2365 comments Mod
Jill wrote: "My book (Tan 1991 reissue) has Heresy (intro) as chapter 1, so Arianism is 3, Modern Phase 7."

Yes, that's what mine starts with as well.


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