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The Gone But Not Forgotten RIP Thread
"luke, me'ansum, oi be yor faaaahthur!?
Lez wrote: "Sean Connery, age 90. Cause unknown.Nice anecdote:
When he took a taxi during a recent Edinburgh Film Festival, the driver was amazed that he could put a name to every street they passed. "How c..."
According to a death certificate obtained and published by Yahoo Entertainment website TMZ:
Sean Connery succumbed to respiratory failure, pneumonia, old age and atrial fibrillation. The Registrar General’s department of the Bahamas, which issued the certificate, has not yet responded to Yahoo Entertainment’s request for comment.
Shortly after his death, Connery’s widow, Micheline Roquebrune, revealed that her Oscar-winning husband had suffered from dementia toward the end of his life.
"At least he died in his sleep and it was just so peaceful. I was with him all the time and he just slipped away. It was what he wanted.
“He had dementia and it took its toll on him. He got his final wish to slip away without any fuss.”
His ashes are to be scattered in both the Bahamas and in Scotland, when travel restrictions are lifted.
"respiratory failure, pneumonia, old age and atrial fibrillation" - one of those is not an actual cause of death?!
A great actor, yes, but he was also sadly a Man who was quite openly unapologetic or unashamed about his appalling attitude and abusive behaviour towards most of the women in his life - and I personally feel that that side of his real character should not ever be excused or forgotten.
Brass Neck wrote: ""respiratory failure, pneumonia, old age and atrial fibrillation" - one of those is not an actual cause of death?!"Well..i must admit i didn't know what atrial fibrillation was until i googled it.....which i presume is what you're hinting at Mr B?
It's what was posted.....i just C&P'd it.
suzysunshine7 wrote: "A great actor, yes, but he was also sadly a Man who was quite openly unapologetic or unashamed about his appalling attitude and abusive behaviour towards most of the women in his life - and I perso..."Agree 100%
theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: ""respiratory failure, pneumonia, old age and atrial fibrillation" - one of those is not an actual cause of death?!"Well..i must admit i didn't know what atrial fibrillation was..."
I know you only c&ped it but old age is not a valid cause of death.
As I understand it, 'old age' can be put on a Death Certificate as an underlying cause of Death if other conditions are also included as well and if the person is over 80 years old and has been treated and cared for whilst undergoing an increasing state of deterioration and decline for several years.EDIT ... Yep! - it's been a while now since I was a Nurse so I Googled it and nothing has changed as far as I can tell ...
" ... 'Old age' can be accepted as a cause of death if the patient is aged over 80 years, but only if the doctor completing the MCCD:4
• has personally cared for the deceased over a long period (years, or many months)
• has observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning
• is not aware of any identifiable disease or injury that contributed to the death
• is certain that there is no reason that the death should be reported to the coroner"
I'd quite like to have ... 'kaput' ... listed on my Death Certificate ;o>
Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops.
Lez wrote: "I fancy 'No longer viable'."Or possibly 'Computer Says No'
Maybe 'Broken Heart' should be used sometimes, after all what else is it but that when a long term partner drops dead days after their other half did.
Serial wrote: "Lez wrote: "I fancy 'No longer viable'."Or possibly 'Computer Says No'"
Or (fill in name).exe stopped working
... "This Browser is no longer supported" ... ;o>
suzysunshine7 wrote: "I'd quite like to have ... 'kaput' ... listed on my Death Certificate ;o>"I'd like to have 'senseless' on mine...as i'm reasonably certain i won't have much left in that dept. by the time i finally pop my clogs! Probably not even the sense of feeling will be left by then!
Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops."Even death by gunshot to head, Mr B?!
well, if your heart keeps beating after that, you're not dead.
Tech XXIII wrote: "well, if your heart keeps beating after that, you're not dead."That's my excuse.
theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops."Even death by gunshot to head, Mr B?!"
No, that would be a specific cause of death (which would, of course, cause one's heart to stop beating) but 'old age' is just a lazy-arsed cop-out.
Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops."Even death by gunshot to head, Mr B?!"
No, that would be a specific cause..."
So by that token then..if a patient is brain dead, but plugged up to a life support machine, thus the body and heart is being kept artificially functioning, it is still alive?
Personally speaking, i think a functioning brain is the key element to what constitutes as 'living' in sentient intelligent lifeforms. Without a functioning conscious mind..the body is effectively 'empty'..in a vegetative state. After all..plants don't have hearts do they?! A heart serves to keep the body functioning yes, but it is possible to keep a body alive artificially without a heart....and as long as the brain is still functioning, i would say a person would still be alive.
The only issue with that, that i cannot answer, since i as far as i know, it's not been done yet, if say a head is removed from the body as it were, but kept artificially functioning, is it technically still 'alive'?
This is reminding me of an obscure 1990's Sci/Fi drama series featuring Albert Vinny And Frances De La Tour in Cold Lazarus, all of a sudden!
Anyway, my biggest fear as i grow older, is that i hope i don't succumb to dementia. I can't think anything worse than being 'alive' but losing my cognitive abilities...i might as well be dead. In fact if ever i were to be given the choice (hopefully not!)...I'd choose paralysis from the neck down over total dementia. Neither situation is desirable, but at least with the former..i'd still have my mind. That said, i doubt those who are suffering from total paralysis, perhaps won't think that way.
Perhaps the true answer is, it's both the brain and heart that determines what is or is not alive...as one can't function effectively without the other.....but then others might say that about the rest of the body!
A work colleague had her mother and mother-in-law in aged care. One had dementia and was happy as Larry. The other had all her marbles, sharp as a tack, but her body had given up on her. She was incontinent, unable to get about or see to her personal needs. She was so distressed. Suddenly dementia's not looking too bad!
Maybe she was happy because she wasn't aware of what her life had been reduced to by the disease?
theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops."Even death by gunshot to head, Mr B?!"
No, that would ..."
Cheery topic eh? There have been numerous high-profile cases of people in persistent vegetative state who were not on ventilators so their bodies essential systems were fully functional so long as they were tube-fed and watered (at least one Hillsborough victim?) which placed their families and doctors in a legal and moral bind. They knew there was no chance of recovery, that their loved one would not want to live like this for potentially decades but could not throw a switch on a ventilator. In the absence of euthanasia provisions the only recourse is to withdraw care and starve them to death - horrible.
"since i as far as i know, it's not been done yet, if say a head is removed from the body as it were, but kept artificially functioning" - surely Boris is evidence that that day has come?
Val wrote: "A work colleague had her mother and mother-in-law in aged care. One had dementia and was happy as Larry. The other had all her marbles, sharp as a tack, but her body had given up on her. She was in..."My dad is in his 80s and has dementia. He's aware that his faculties and memory are not what they were, mostly because my mother keeps impatiently telling him, but otherwise he potters through his utterly drab daily routine in comparative blissful ignorance. He has multiple serious ailments including stomach cancer which is not going to be treated - he daily passes a letter propped up in the front of the bookshelf with his name and DNR boldly emblazoned on the envelope! When mum was in a nursing home for months after an infected replacement hip was taken out myself or my sister would go over and stay with him and take him down to see her daily. He would take down any mail so she could read it and tell him what was important. One letter was a general summation of his recent treatments and diagnoses from his GP. He handed it over saying, "Hey there's a bit of a shocker in there," only for mum to tell him everyone has known for ages he has stomach cancer! He will have promptly forgotten about it almost immediately and gone back to pottering. My mother has had a new replacement hip but hasn't regained much mobility, no great surprise given she just sat in a chair or lay in bed without a hip at all for 3 or 4 months, she has had a few small strokes which has weakened her further but she is still totally aware of the steady erosion of her condition and dad's and she's in a permanent state of distress about it all. She needs his legs and he needs her brain - if one them dies or has to go in a home the other will not be able to cope living alone. Maybe dementia's not so bad for the sufferer?
"Maybe dementia's not so bad for the sufferer?"and mibbe no. in my tenure (working, brass, working!) in a locked dementia unit, everything was peas and carrots, except for the sufferers that had brief periods of complete lucidity - akin to father jack's 'am i still on this feckin' island' moment, to see the pain in their eyes was excruciatingly heartbreaking to have to witness.
incidentally, before i left that employ i was getting a bit of an 'angel of death' rep, as 4 of the 5 deaths during my time there, were on my (night) watch!...................so don't bug me!
Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "since i as far as i know, it's not been done yet, if say a head is removed from the body as it were, but kept artificially functioning" - surely Boris is evidence that that day has come?"Hollywood got there first! 😂😂😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rPUK...
SussexWelsh wrote: "I remember this from my youth:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052646/..."
And this, from around the same time?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053095/...
Tim wrote: "SussexWelsh wrote: "I remember this from my youth:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052646/..."
And this, from around the same time?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053095/..."
That too
Tech XXIII wrote: ""Maybe dementia's not so bad for the sufferer?"and mibbe no. in my tenure (working, brass, working!) in a locked dementia unit, everything was peas and carrots, except for the sufferers that had ..."
Yes, awful but as you say mercifully brief periods. I don't want a lengthy old age beset with multiple serious ill-health issues of which I am completely aware, hence the arrival of Minnie. I'm up and dressed and out at 8-8.30am and out walking her and, indeed Lez, mooching for 3-4 hours over each day in the fresh air chatting with complete strangers (although I have resorted to a sort of gallic shrug when the endless "What is she?" crops up), lost weight (but still over), dropped a jeans and t shirt size, shed any work-related stress, only drink moderately with 4 dry days a week and haven't smoked for best part of 40 years so I hope to avoid most of what the 'rents are going through but who knows what our lot is?
Now if only the cats would settle down and be in the same space as Minnie?
Also what is this "working" of which you speak?
Brass Neck wrote: "Tech XXIII wrote: ""Maybe dementia's not so bad for the sufferer?"and mibbe no. in my tenure (working, brass, working!) in a locked dementia unit, everything was peas and carrots, except for the ..."
Worth it, Brass. Otherwise what is it all for, to just slip into ill health through sedentary work, and then retire to do all those things you put off, but o dear you're too fecked.
So many work environments just conspire to ruin a persons health. And then you see people who realise this and try to pack in gym trips to offset it.
"Also what is this "working" of which you speak?"it's all the rage with us young hep cats!
Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops.""since i as far as i know, it's not been done yet, if say a head is removed from the body as it were, but kept artificially functioning" - surely Boris is evidence that that day has come?
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Lol! Isn't it the other way around with Boris? He's sired an as yet undetermined number of sprogs..so i would say his body functions very well.....but as for his head....erm....i think the jury is still out on that one!
theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops.""since i as far as i..."
I have to take my hat off to Nigel Farage, who despite being unelected had managed to steer Boris and the Tories into adopting his policies.
Serial wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "theDuke wrote: "Brass Neck wrote: "Doesn't seem right - everyone who dies ultimately does so because their heart stops.""sin..."
Blimey, i'd almost forgotten about him. He's been keeping a low profile of late.
Paolo Rossi, Italian footballer & 1982 world cup player of the year, has died aged 64, cause as yet undetermined.
Sean Malone, bassist with extreme metal legends Cynic has passed away aged 50. This after Cynic drummer Sean Reinart passed in January. A niche but affecting loss for me as Cynic are part of the old school extreme metal scene that really broadened my horizons. Extreme metal does them a disservice over their 3 albums."Cynic should be understood not so much alongside any metal bands but along with the radical harmonic progressives in the last 45 years of pop and jazz: composers like Milton Nascimento, The Beach Boys or Pat Metheny."
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/cyn...
theDuke wrote: "Paolo Rossi, Italian footballer & player of year of 1982 world cup, has died aged 64, cause as yet undetermined."During the 1982 World Cup, PaoloRooossssssiiiiiii become very much one word. A man whose football career looked pretty much over after a two-year suspension for match-fixing in 1980 but returned first to the Juventus team and then to the Italian national side ahead of the World Cup in Spain, in which he played poorly in the group stage but then scored six goals in the subsequent rounds, including a hat-trick against Brazil.
Dame Barbara Windsor, born Barbara Ann Deeks, actress, best known for her appearances in the Carry On movies and as Peggy Mitchell in EastEnders, died peacefully in a care home after suffering from Alzheimer's disease for the last 6 years.
Barbara Windows? Never heard of her ;-)
Ohhh Duke! - it's such a pane sometimes when using Autocorrect, isn't it? ;o>
Aw bladdy 'ell..stupid auto connect! Now corrected.
Babs...the oldest schoolgirl ever. Totally disliked her in the Carry On films, but she was bloody good as Peggy Mitchell.
I never watched Eastenders but I saw her on stage in 'Sparrows Can't Sing' and she was excellent.
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