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Brutus:
Fates, we will know your pleasures:
That we shall die we know, tis but the time
And drawing days out, that men stand upon.
Casca:
Why he that cuts off twenty years of life,
Cuts off so many years of fearing death.
So says a couple of the bookish conspirators, the one who struck first and Brutus, who dominates the play. This act III with 3 scenes shows conspirators closing in for the kill of Caesar and Anthony Mourning; great contrasting speeches that stir up the commons/plebeians either way, but the"closing arguments" carry the the day; and what happens when the plebes get stirred up by a demagogue-like hate speech, killing a poet just for having the same name as one of the conspirators.
Lots of great topics of discussion open in these three scenes!
Shakespear hated when the commons took the law into their own hands, and shows over and over again in his plays how mobs = terrorism.
Look at the two speeches from Brutus and Mark Anthony. Brutus' is so ice cold, in prose, giving nothing of hope to the people, only the negation of the concept, Tyranny. Anthony in dramatic and scheming verse works Crowd so expertly, in contrast.
Hi Paul,
I'll read this in a bit...I haven't made it to Act 3 yet. So I am not lurking...and I will respond in time.
:)
I'll read this in a bit...I haven't made it to Act 3 yet. So I am not lurking...and I will respond in time.
:)

Why am I so confused about the timeline of Caesar and Marc Antony? I thought Antony died while Caesar was still alive. I have literature all mixed up with history ? LOL
This is touching...
ANTONY.
O mighty Caesar! Dost thou lie so low?
Are all thy conquests, glories, triumphs, spoils,
Shrunk to this little measure? Fare thee well.--
I know not, gentlemen, what you intend,
Who else must be let blood, who else is rank:
If I myself, there is no hour so fit
As Caesar's death-hour, nor no instrument
Of half that worth as those your swords, made rich
With the most noble blood of all this world.
I do beseech ye, if you bear me hard,
Now, whilst your purpled hands do reek and smoke,
Fulfill your pleasure. Live a thousand years,
I shall not find myself so apt to die:
No place will please me so, no means of death,
As here by Caesar, and by you cut off,
The choice and master spirits of this age.
ANTONY.
O mighty Caesar! Dost thou lie so low?
Are all thy conquests, glories, triumphs, spoils,
Shrunk to this little measure? Fare thee well.--
I know not, gentlemen, what you intend,
Who else must be let blood, who else is rank:
If I myself, there is no hour so fit
As Caesar's death-hour, nor no instrument
Of half that worth as those your swords, made rich
With the most noble blood of all this world.
I do beseech ye, if you bear me hard,
Now, whilst your purpled hands do reek and smoke,
Fulfill your pleasure. Live a thousand years,
I shall not find myself so apt to die:
No place will please me so, no means of death,
As here by Caesar, and by you cut off,
The choice and master spirits of this age.
Paul, I also shared your feeling that "terrorism" was being portrayed. especially noticed it when Cassus uses the word "enfranchisement" twice. For me one of the basic profiles of a terrorist is "disenfranchisement"...or their feelings of alienation, unemployment, lack of connectedness in society. I thought the kind f reasoning between the conspirators was the kind of justification we see in other portrayals of terrorists like in Joseph Conrad's "The Secret Agent."
Here are the two instances when enfranchisement is used in Act 3....by Cassius. Add this word to the contemporary feel of suburban and self-injury. Shakespeare continues to be so relevant and timeless.
Pardon, Caesar; Caesar, pardon:
As low as to thy foot doth Cassius fall,
To beg enfranchisement for Publius Cimber.
Cassius
Some to the common pulpits, and cry out
'Liberty, freedom, and enfranchisement!'
Here are the two instances when enfranchisement is used in Act 3....by Cassius. Add this word to the contemporary feel of suburban and self-injury. Shakespeare continues to be so relevant and timeless.
Pardon, Caesar; Caesar, pardon:
As low as to thy foot doth Cassius fall,
To beg enfranchisement for Publius Cimber.
Cassius
Some to the common pulpits, and cry out
'Liberty, freedom, and enfranchisement!'

Yeah, why am I confused in Antony and Cleopatra....how does the time line work?
Is the one affair and Cleopatra happening before this time frame? Like part way through?
Is the one affair and Cleopatra happening before this time frame? Like part way through?


Okay thank you so much Gabriel.
I also wonder...if the vindictive and devious Antony....changed because of love. That might not be so hard to believe? Ad how about for those people who see Antony in JC...and then 7 years later...are like "What happened to this jerk?" LOL
I also wonder...if the vindictive and devious Antony....changed because of love. That might not be so hard to believe? Ad how about for those people who see Antony in JC...and then 7 years later...are like "What happened to this jerk?" LOL

Years ago in a book discussion online...one of the participants asked...why did Shakeseare stop writing tragedies for the last years of his career/life...maybe that is connected?

There is a lot of repetition in the names of these Romans — I was at first confusing Decius Brutus with Marcus Brutus.
I think there is some significance in that fact that Brutus's full name is Marcus Junius Brutus, and he was a direct descendant of Lucius Junius Brutus, who rebelled against the Tarquinius, the last king of Rome, and founded the Roman Republic. His descendant and namesake coincidentally rebelled against another potential king at the end of the era of the Republic. The story of Tarquinius and Lucretia is told in Shakespeare's poem "The Rape of Lucrece," and he also refers to the story frequently in his plays.
The relations of these Romans also sometimes seems as complex as those of characters in a soap opera. Not only did Cleopatra have affairs with Julius Caesar and Mark Antony (and have a child by Caesar), Brutus's mother had an affair with Julius Caesar and there was a rumor that Brutus might even be Caesar's illegitimate son. (In some versions of the assassination his last words are "You too, my son?") Brutus's mother was also the half-sister of Cato, who was the father of Portia, Brutus's second wife. Brutus and his wife were therefore first cousins.
P.S.: Speaking of confusing names, I'm sure Cinna the Poet was wishing his parents had gone for something more original when they named him!