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How could Bella conceive in Breaking Dawn?
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First, I am sorry that you dealt with people locking your thread. I would say that is because in a lot of cases people take themselves and their opinions far too seriously. You ask a very good question. SM actually attempts to answer this question on her website. It’s under the frequently asked questions section for breaking dawn. That being said her reasoning doesn’t really hold any water, but it’s her novel and her characters so she can basically make it up anyway she likes. To paraphrase her extremely long winded response that actually doesn’t tell you anything – she mentions Incubuses and how they were rumored to be able to produce offspring with human females as the first inclination in that direction. She then goes onto explain that all bodily fluids were replaced by a venom like substance at performs the same task as its human counterpart.
So, to answer your question she was able to conceive the same way any female would be able to.
As for how can she have sex with a vampire? Well he still have the same parts, and they are in the same basic working order as when he was human. The same species isn’t a perquisite for sex to happen. If you are actually asking how two different species can produce offspring? Then that too is not so uncommon. We call them hybrids. In the animal kingdom they happen.
I don’t know if that answers your question in enough detail. I am sure others will have other thoughts on this. I just went at it from what she had said about it on her website and then on the factual aspect of inter-species breeding.
The only thing I will say is that in the real world it seems like the creatures have to be in the same genus. They just do not have to be the same species. So a horse can mate with a donkey and produce a mule, a lion can mate with a tiger and produce a liger, and a wolf could mate with a domestic dog and create a wolf dog hybrid. They know that what science considers modern human’s intermingled with at least two other groups of humans that existed at the same time. So if vampire’s existed, and were simply a different species in the same genus I see no reason why off spring could result.
Saille
This being said, I do not think that she put a whole lot of thought into how or why. I think she decided she wanted their to be a child, and figured out how it would happen after she had already chosen that path for her novels.
Thank you for your response. So, she hasn't elaborated on how could Bella conceive in Breaking Dawn or how did Edward have venom in his "Body" in the first place? I think she just thought it up so she could make Edward a hero and Bella saved by him. And I agree, yes, Bella is a damsel in perpetual distress, she never evolves in character, does she?
And the Incubus things confused me more while I was reading your answer and her site's answer. How does that explain Edward having venom in him? I didn't get that while reading the book.
Camille wrote: "Thank you for your response. So, she hasn't elaborated on how could Bella conceive in Breaking Dawn or how did Edward have venom in his "Body" in the first place? I think she just thought it up so ..."Sorry I think I managed to confuse you more. The incubus doesn't explain anything about Edward, it's where she got the idea apparently to have Bella become pregnant.
As for the venom part let me see if I can answer this better.
Edward is a vampire.
In SM's world vampires are made/infected by a bite. It would appear from the scene in Twilight that a single bite is enough to change a person. In breaking dawn it appears that the more venom injected into the human the quicker/easier the change may be. Either way the change that the human undergoes is what puts Venom in their bodies. All the bodily fluids become venom based.
So Venom got into Edwards body when Carlisle changed him.
As for Bella conceiving the only thing she has said is what you read on her site. I am not sure it requires elaboration. It's fantasy it doesn't have to actually make sense. Part of the issue is that readers are used to the undead variety of vampire that should not be able to reproduce. She calls her creatures vampires, but the only things SM's creatures have in common with vampires are that they are blood drinkers and immortal. Well I shouldn’t say only, that is the only thing I can think of at the moment.
She’s not the first person to come up with the idea that a male vampire could father a child. There are a few legends about vampires that concern that idea, coming mostly from Balkan folklore they call the children Dhampirs.
Saille wrote: "Camille wrote: "Thank you for your response. So, she hasn't elaborated on how could Bella conceive in Breaking Dawn or how did Edward have venom in his "Body" in the first place? I think she just t..."Yeah, I just didn't get your reference to the Incubus thing, but everything else was fine, thank you for taking the time to answer my question. So Edward kept his intimate parts intact, after his Transformation into a Vampire? That leads to another question: How?
There are just so many unexplained and incomprehensible things in SM's universe and as you said, she didn't stop to think about if everything made sense in her story. I think that's the kindest thing anyone could say about these series.
I'll tell you what, I've really tried hard to be fair to the series, by listening to both sides' arguments, but I still find so many flaws in her universe.
And, Bella first learnt about the vampires in Twilight? After that she wants to be one of them in Eclipse? I think? I forgot. And I goddam hate it, when people say it's "fantasy romance" or something the like. And no, it's not "fantasy romance", it's "urban supernatural romance".
And I think he does manipulate her into marriage, saying she has to become a vampire for him to marry her? Not explaining why again. So why does she have to be a vampire to marry Edward? I got so confused between Eclipse and Breaking Dawn.
And yes another thing I've noticed while reading the books, Bella says she doesn't want to marry so young, yet she agrees to be turned into a vampire right after Edward tells her she has to? So everything revolves around Edward for her. And one other thing, in Twilight, Meyer says Edward can't have sex with Bella, because he is a vampire and she a human, yet she can and she did in Breaking Dawn? So I'm sorry to say, but your inter-breeding explanation can't explain why they can have sex with each other. SM contradicts herself so much in the novels, right, eh?
"Camille wrote: "Thank you for your response. So, she hasn't elaborated on how could Bella conceive in Breaking Dawn or how did Edward have venom in his "Body" in the first place? I t..."Okay ---
Well what sub-genre it falls into is really not all that important. I never really cared what it was considered. It's a romance it has fantastical elements, it's paranormal because their are vampires, but vampires and shape shifters exist in fantasy novels as well. The Summoner series by Gail Martian has vampires.
He doesn't say she has to become a vampire in order to marry him. He wants to get married. (I actually think that's meant to be a throw back to the time frame he was alive in. Men married the women they loved when Edward was alive, just living with her with no marriage would have been unacceptable.)
Everything does revolve around Edward. Bella can't function without him, which always made me think he did something to make her feel that way.
SM never said Edward could not have sex with Bella. EDWARD was afraid he'd hurt her if they had sex. He was afraid he'd kill her. That doesn't mean that SM said they couldn't all that means is that Edward felt it would be dangerous so he's saying they can't.
SM does contradict herself, This is true.
Saille
Oh, have you read Midnight Sun? Everything told from Edward's perspective?
Camille wrote: "Oh, have you read Midnight Sun? Everything told from Edward's perspective?"I read the part that was up on her website. It's actually a lot better, but I have always maintained that Twilight has a great deal of potential, but it's very poorly executed.
Saille
The author is stupid and Bella having a baby is just a plothole.
By the way, I really like how the haters value free speech and freedom of opinions not just about this series, but about many others. Really had fun poking fun at the characters with the Twi-Haters of the group, but I myself am a mild-hater, but not a fan. I think of it more negatively than positively. I really didn't know where I should have put my question, so that's why I put it in "Anti-Twilight Rants/Stuff", so did anyone like me, wonder all the while reading Breaking Dawn, how she was able to conceive with a Vampire like Edward Cullen?
Funny thing, I asked this question on a Twilight site, thinking this would be "mildly" criticizing the series, but oh boy was I in for a surprise: the Mods locked my thread.
So in short, I don't think the book series are "Godawful" or a "Perfect romance", I am in-between, leaning towards the hating side.
1. Yes i agree the characters are boring and bland and "too perfect"
2. Too many inconsistencies in the plots (or plotholes in the storyline.)
3. Not very "thrilling" for a thriller.
4. And it's "Urban supernatural romance", and not "Epic fantasy romance", like some fans would call it.
It's a cool site, eh, as I already, I appreciate the freedom of speech and freedom of opinions here.
So I hope my question to you guys would be answered, because I can't think of how Bella conceived in Breaking Dawn, maybe she is missing a chapter or something to explain it more in details? And how is she able to have sex with a vampire, who isn't even the same species as her?