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message 6201: by Kelly (new)

Kelly Clayton | 1040 comments Happy anniversary Lynne.

You need to clone yourself, Patti.


message 6202: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Feels that way sometimes, Kelly.

Managed to get out and back before the delivery.

Damn, I'm good.

And hungry! Time for lunch, methinks.


message 6203: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments It's raining.


message 6204: by Jud (new)

Jud (judibud) | 16799 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "It's raining."

No way!


message 6205: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Way.


message 6206: by Jud (new)

Jud (judibud) | 16799 comments No rain here.


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments Bright and sunny here. The weather that is!


message 6208: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Still raining.

Just the sort the farmers need. A gentle good soak.


message 6209: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 3772 comments Good afternoon folks. Can we have some of that rain please? It's parched yellow around here.


message 6210: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I'm done with it. You can have it now.


message 6211: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments I want it! And i'm only just up the road, and haven't got it!


message 6212: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Come and get it!


message 6213: by Benjamin (new)

Benjamin Appleby-Dean (benjaminappleby-dean) I remember one day in Durham (about fifteen years ago, when I used to live there) when we had such localised rain it was coming down on one side of the street and not the other.


message 6214: by Jud (new)

Jud (judibud) | 16799 comments That happened to us once in the car. We were driving to Dublin and were stopped at a checkpoint queue (those will probably come back again, nothing like moving forward!) Mum and Dad were in the rain in the front and my brother and I were not!


message 6215: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments That happens in Canada in the summer all the time.

I think the rain has stopped now. Just dripping from the trees.
Sky is flat grey. Yuck.


Rosemary (grooving with the Picts) (nosemanny) | 8590 comments I was Too Hot sitting down at my beach hut this afternoon! Scorchio. Spect we’ll have the haar tomorrow again. Hey ho.


message 6217: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Blue sky is peeping through.

Dave freaked me out a few minutes ago.

Jumped up off the couch and said 'right, I'm going to sort through the medicine cabinet'

Then he did!


message 6218: by T4bsF (Call me Flo) (new)

T4bsF (Call me Flo) (time4bedsaidflorence) Hi everybody - I'm back....... not exactly in fine fettle, but I'm getting there.


Rosemary (grooving with the Picts) (nosemanny) | 8590 comments Hi Flo, good to see you. Chin up lassie, we’re all here if you need us xx


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "Hi everybody - I'm back....... not exactly in fine fettle, but I'm getting there."

Big hugs Flo ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Flo))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


message 6221: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Lovely to see you Flo!


message 6222: by Kelly (new)

Kelly Clayton | 1040 comments Hi Flo xxxxxxxxxx


message 6223: by T4bsF (Call me Flo) (new)

T4bsF (Call me Flo) (time4bedsaidflorence) Thanks all.


message 6224: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Lovely clear sky now.

Have I mentioned how much I'm loving being out of the Baku pollution?

It smells very green here after the rain.

Wonderful.


message 6225: by Kath (new)

Kath Middleton | 23860 comments Welcome back, Flo. Xxx


message 6226: by Alicia (new)

Alicia Ehrhardt (aliciabutcherehrhardt) | 4836 comments You've been missed, Flo.


message 6227: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments M.T. wrote: "Jim wrote: "M.T. wrote: "Yeh, I’m not impressed. You don’t do 1984 on people like that. I’m guessing that the hunt has had a lot of sabs following/tracking them and that certain members were beginn..."

some shoot foxes or have hawks take them
But apparently there are even sabs who sab drag hunts, the class war knows no boundaries for some.


message 6228: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "Hi everybody - I'm back....... not exactly in fine fettle, but I'm getting there."

you take care lass


message 6229: by Pam (new)

Pam Baddeley | 3334 comments Yes take care Flo.


message 6230: by Benjamin (new)

Benjamin Appleby-Dean (benjaminappleby-dean) Good to see you back Flo, hope you're holding up okay.

Morning all.


message 6231: by Patti (baconater) (last edited Jul 04, 2018 11:02PM) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Good morning and thank you for tuning in to the South Wales weather report.

Slightly overcast and muggy with a 100% chance of coffee. There is a likelihood of bacon and a nap occurring later in the day. There is a severe reading warning for those in low lieing areas.


message 6232: by M.T. (new)

M.T. McGuire (mtmcguire) | 8049 comments Welcome back Flo, take care. Xx


message 6233: by M.T. (last edited Jul 04, 2018 11:28PM) (new)

M.T. McGuire (mtmcguire) | 8049 comments Jim wrote: "some shoot foxes or have hawks take them
But apparently there are even sabs who sab drag hunts, the class war knows no boundaries for some..."


Yeh, when I was a kit the Mid Surrey drag used to have a lot of trouble which seemed strange.

The fact so much of it is about class war is one of the things that makes it a bit tricky for me to get my head around. A lot of me feels that no matter how grim foxes are, we really should have progressed beyond hunting, but as a country dweller who has met sabs in the field, the thing that struck me most about them was that the class war aspect. Their main beef genuinely seemed to be that they perceived the hunters as posh, to the point where they were happy to perpetrate acts of cruelty on the hounds. The involvement of an animal in the process seemed entirely coincidental.

The fact is, our countryside is completely manufactured, and as we start to become more squeamish about culling badgers, hunting foxes, shooting magpies etc, while at the same time removing hedges, things like songbirds are going to be hit. Current thinking would point to reintroducing some of the original apex preditors, like the bear and the wolf because having an apex predator which isn’t genuinely apex leads to gazillions of that animal cf foxes. Not sure that’s practical either (I really hate bears).

BTW this is because they are big and scary and they eat people - not because they’re always lobbed into bad Wild West movies as a really shit and predictable plot twist.


Desley (Cat fosterer) (booktigger) | 12598 comments Morning all, disturbed night sleep partly thanks to workmen, will post more later. Then got a vet app straight from work. No rain here.

Lovely to see you Flo, take care, we are here if you need us x


message 6235: by Kath (new)

Kath Middleton | 23860 comments Morning! Cake club this morning then flower arranging this aft. My life is a gay social whirl. Will be selling a few books as the paperback of The Flesh of Trees arrived then we were at Jenny's.

Have a good day, each.


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments Glad you’re back Flo.
Mary you’re spot on about some of the aspects of sabs/hunting etc. I saw first hand marbles being chucked under horses hooves and wheel nuts being undone on horse boxes and vehickes towing. Some of the ‘sabs’ were more county set than the hunting mob.


message 6237: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments There's a whole language surrounding hunting in the UK that I'm completely ignorant of.


message 6238: by Jud (new)

Jud (judibud) | 16799 comments Morning.

Lovely to see you Flo, take of yourself xxx


message 6239: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "There's a whole language surrounding hunting in the UK that I'm completely ignorant of."

keep it that way :-)


message 6240: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments M.T. wrote: "The fact is, our countryside is completely manufactured, and as we start to become more squeamish about culling badgers, hunting foxes, shooting magpies etc, while at the same time removing hedges, things like songbirds are going to be hit. Current thinking would point to reintroducing some of the original apex preditors, like the bear and the wolf because having an apex predator which isn’t genuinely apex leads to gazillions of that animal cf foxes. Not sure that’s practical either (I really hate bears)...."

Talking to people in the badger cull areas, they're now seeing hedgehogs for the first time. There's also a suspicion that there are more ground nesting birds, but of course nobody is doing any research because they'd not get funding.

The ridiculous thing about the class war aspect is that the Lakeland Fell packs are effectively working class with far more people following on quadbikes than horses


message 6241: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments I must admit, as Mary says, there is something attractive in the idea of re introducing proper wolves, tom replace the human variety


message 6242: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments We had two hedgehogs wandering around in the garden here evening before last. :)


message 6243: by M.T. (last edited Jul 05, 2018 04:02AM) (new)

M.T. McGuire (mtmcguire) | 8049 comments I can't find it now but there's a cracking article about the effect hang on, here it is.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140...

Off the coast of California, protecting sea otters has reduced the explosion of urchins feeding off the seabed and the kelp forests and all their reliant species have begun to return.

Fact is, Britain's apex predator isn't here, so we either have to be the apex predator ourselves, or mimic the effects of the apex predator - and in an extreme and not necessarily ethical way I guess that is what hunting is - or we have to re-introduce them.

Cheers

MTM


message 6244: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments Will wrote: "I must admit, as Mary says, there is something attractive in the idea of re introducing proper wolves, tom replace the human variety"

Wolves and bears should be reintroduced within the M25 which would act as a natural barrier to stop them straying into civilised parts


message 6245: by M.T. (new)

M.T. McGuire (mtmcguire) | 8049 comments Jim wrote: "Will wrote: "I must admit, as Mary says, there is something attractive in the idea of re introducing proper wolves, tom replace the human variety"

Wolves and bears should be reintroduced within th..."


There'd be a lot of yardies with fur coats and no bears within months.


Desley (Cat fosterer) (booktigger) | 12598 comments When I left for the committee meeting at 6 an Electricity North West van had turned up, which meant with the Virgin Media work it was a struggle to get out, then when I got home at 8.30, there were 2 vans, but no sign of any work. After I parked they started pulling barriers out of the van, but didn’t start any drilling work till 10.20! And I could still hear them at 12! Then they hadn’t left the barriers in the right place this morning, so had to move them to leave the street. Typically I have training at 2, will then have extra stuff to do at work, hope it’ll be interesting, my boss has finally asked our IT dept to change my job title on my e-mail signature. Ended up sitting on an uncomfortable chair at the committee meeting though, so hip is a bit sore. Very sad to hear they think a 5th of the moorland at Winter Hill has been destroyed, and that it could take 10 years for it to recover, not sure how much of Saddleworth has been destroyed, but sad to hear that could be arson.


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments There’s wolves near us in France. The shepherds are not happy. They were ‘contained’ in the Mercantour National Park until it snowed and the drifts were higher than the containment fences. The wolves are much cleverer than the ecologists.


message 6248: by Alicia (new)

Alicia Ehrhardt (aliciabutcherehrhardt) | 4836 comments You'd be clever, too, if you and your mates and cubs were hungry. Shepherds are never happy.


message 6249: by Kath (new)

Kath Middleton | 23860 comments Oh, I don't know. Jim smiles every Tuesday, regular as clockwork. 😋


message 6250: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21812 comments Kath wrote: "Oh, I don't know. Jim smiles every Tuesday, regular as clockwork. 😋"

whether I need to or not!


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