Life Without Ed® (with Jenni!) discussion
Help...I Need Encouragement!

I still want to do the balloon thing. I just haven’t done it yet.

We had our “Thanksgiving” Saturday with my sisters and their husbands. It’s a hard holiday since he seemed to love getting up early to have the Turkey in the oven by 5 or 6 am. He always seemed so happy that day. Luckily I dealt with most of that on Thursday. Every year before we eat (but sitting at the table staring at our plates of food...great timing), my mom makes us go around the table and say what we’re thankful for. And every year, as hard as I try to hold it in, that’s when the tears start falling. The running theme that day tended to be how thankful everyone was for both my sisters and their “wonderful husbands”, and of course my niece. If it weren’t for her, I don’t think I would have been able to stay at the table. I would have eaten in my room like I do all the time. It wasn’t the fact that my name wasn’t mentioned by every single person. I have a really hard time with being the only single one and the idea that if I can ever find a decent guy, my dad won’t be there to walk me down the aisle if I get married. That was actually one of the first things that I said to my therapist the first time I saw her after I found out he had cancer. It wasn’t to be vain, my mind was just so full of questions and my parents were trying to be so secretive, certain random thoughts would come up. To this day, I have to leave the room at a reception whenever they do the father/daughter dance.
Anyway, other than my 5 year old niece giving me a concerned half smile that also said that it’s ok to cry and I’ll be ok (a kid’s intuition never ceases to amaze me), everyone else just went on like it was nothing. So that is just an example of how my family reacts when I’m struggling with missing my dad (why they thought I was crying). I even said I didn’t want to say anything at the moment when they came to me but my MOM said I had to. Really?
I sat down really hungry. By the time we started eating, just the thought made me sick. I had to get up and go in my room for a couple minutes for a breather which helped a lot but it didn’t magically give me my appetite back. I went back to what I used to tell myself about any behavior. Not eating is not an option, plain and simple. Well, the concept is simple. I haven’t struggled with eating like that in a long time so I’ll be honest, I still beat myself up a little for that when I think about it...not nearly as bad as that day though.
Have you looked anymore into residential or is that even still an option? You haven’t mentioned that in a while.
Just a post reminder of one of my favorite quotes:
"Fall down 7 times. Stand up 8." - Japanese proverb
This thread reminds me of this quote. Stay strong. Keep fighting. You are doing it.
"Fall down 7 times. Stand up 8." - Japanese proverb
This thread reminds me of this quote. Stay strong. Keep fighting. You are doing it.

Christina wrote: "I love the Japanese proverb Jenni. I looked at this group at the right time and the quote was much needed 😊"
So glad, Christina!
So glad, Christina!
Melody wrote: "Rachel and Christina, thanks for encouragement. To let you all know I have been really struggling recently. My grandma passed away this week and it’s been tough. I continue to welcome more insight ..."
Oh, Rachel: I am so sorry to hear about your grandma. I can't imagine what you must be going through. For me, during grief, connection is always key, both with loved ones as well as my support team. I am thinking of you.
Oh, Rachel: I am so sorry to hear about your grandma. I can't imagine what you must be going through. For me, during grief, connection is always key, both with loved ones as well as my support team. I am thinking of you.


Michelle wrote: "Melody, so sorry about your loss. When my granny died I fell apart but had a 1 and 3 year old plus a job. I found comfort in alone time where I could read her letters to me, look at photos, talk to..."
I love what you said about the gift of grieving. Thanks, Michelle.
I love what you said about the gift of grieving. Thanks, Michelle.
Michelle wrote: "I’ve been really struggling myself over a lie my therapist told me and a hurtful phone conversation with my dad. I had to forgive my dad for his ignorance about my ed. I needed time for the wound t..."
Prayer is powerful for sure. Thank you for sharing, Michelle. I am sorry that you are going through a difficult time. During times like this, I always needed extra support. Isolation is what gets us with an eating disorder. (Ed loves for us to isolate, because that is how he can get us back under his control.) So, I'd encourage you to reach out to your treatment team and to trusted loved ones. With therapists, I always try to practice rigorous honesty. A therapist's job is to listen, so they are wonderful to practice with! Hang in there. Don't quit. You got this.
Prayer is powerful for sure. Thank you for sharing, Michelle. I am sorry that you are going through a difficult time. During times like this, I always needed extra support. Isolation is what gets us with an eating disorder. (Ed loves for us to isolate, because that is how he can get us back under his control.) So, I'd encourage you to reach out to your treatment team and to trusted loved ones. With therapists, I always try to practice rigorous honesty. A therapist's job is to listen, so they are wonderful to practice with! Hang in there. Don't quit. You got this.

No luck on ED treatment ;(
Im starting to feel like a failure..
I want to share a poem i wrote but I don’t know where to post it and how others feel about that.
Writing helps in situations like this.
Its just getting so hard to cope with ED.
I relapsed the other day and i have been stuck in this cycle since.
With everything going on i feel stuck....

It sounds like you're in a hard and frustrating situation. You are not a failure. If you'd like to share your poem, I'd be happy to read it - you can PM it to me if you'd like (I also write poetry 😊).
Sage wrote: "Hi all!
No luck on ED treatment ;(
Im starting to feel like a failure..
I want to share a poem i wrote but I don’t know where to post it and how others feel about that.
Writing helps in situations ..."
I am so sorry that you feel stuck, Sage. Don't quit! I'd love to read your poem, too. Writing helps me a lot, obviously! You can always share on the Inspirations page, if you think it fits there. Or, just choose a thread where you think it fits best! (We just need to make sure it isn't triggering for others.) Keep fighting. I believe in you.
No luck on ED treatment ;(
Im starting to feel like a failure..
I want to share a poem i wrote but I don’t know where to post it and how others feel about that.
Writing helps in situations ..."
I am so sorry that you feel stuck, Sage. Don't quit! I'd love to read your poem, too. Writing helps me a lot, obviously! You can always share on the Inspirations page, if you think it fits there. Or, just choose a thread where you think it fits best! (We just need to make sure it isn't triggering for others.) Keep fighting. I believe in you.

So I don’t know how to make it through when I know I’m not doing well. The program knows it too- I wish things were different and was actually able to get the help and make progress right now. I just need to wait until the community is better and I’m stable.
Do you have any ideas how to attempt to keep trying when I want to cry over everything?
Thank you 😊
Oh, Christina - I so relate to you. I am very sorry that you feel this way. I know that many of us have been in your shoes. Here are some resources:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCspO... - The Facebook Live videos here might really help you.
https://jennischaefer.com/resources/ - Check out the free support like online and phone 12-step meetings. I have only listed ones that are known to be focused on the solution, not food. These meetings are positive, pro-recovery, and include lots of inspiration.
Get support...connect...connect...connect. That is how we heal. Do whatever it takes to get continued expert care. We believe in you. Please don't stop fighting. You have worked so hard. YOU are an inspiration.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCspO... - The Facebook Live videos here might really help you.
https://jennischaefer.com/resources/ - Check out the free support like online and phone 12-step meetings. I have only listed ones that are known to be focused on the solution, not food. These meetings are positive, pro-recovery, and include lots of inspiration.
Get support...connect...connect...connect. That is how we heal. Do whatever it takes to get continued expert care. We believe in you. Please don't stop fighting. You have worked so hard. YOU are an inspiration.

There has been a lot of power struggles going on at home and even when I was in partial the past few weeks. I'm trying to control everything literally...to the point where I've become quite argumentative over everything little thing.
I've never heard before that I was an inspiration..thank you <3
Do you have any ideas for a short, easy read, inspirational book not necessarily ed related. I need help to bring back my faith and hope within myself and restore that within myself.
I was hoping to go to a new php program, but it's probably not opening until February 2018. I'm a bit bummed by that as that would have been a really great option for me. It's going to be 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For now, I just need to get some good sleep and be completely honest with my dietician tomorrow.
Thanks for the links!!! I'm going to check them out!!


Hey Christina,
I'm so sorry that you are going through a tough time. I relate so much. My insurance dropped coverage when I was in treatment for res and then for partial. It was so devastating. ED was so loud. I isolated. Which is why I'm so grateful you have reached out in this community and are continuing to see your treatment team. You are not alone, even though it's so hard right now. Your breakthrough with the scarf is powerful. It's what recovery is all about in my opinion...we keep going, even though it's not "perfect," even though it's terrifying at times, even though it's painful. We keep going because something in our soul knows the truth about ED, and wants us to be free. I believe you will recover. Keep leaning into your support, keep telling the truth, keep letting those knots go. Sending you love!

Hi Melody,
I'm so sorry about your grandmother. Keeping you and your family in my thoughts.
I find that the quiet moments are harder, too. I tend to feel really anxious or sad when things get quiet. Grief is so tough. Just wanted to say that I'm grateful for your honest share, and I totally relate. Please continue to reach out if you need support. Sending love!

Do you have any advice or thoughts? I’m thinking about doing an art journaling activity or maybe some writing.
Thanks.

No need to apologize for being MIA. You are so strong and brave for posting here, Christina. It sounds like you’re overwhelmed with all that has been happening in your life lately. You do so well at art projects, that I think doing an art journaling activity would be such a great coping skill for you to use right now.
Happy belated birthday. Maybe you can throw yourself a birthday party? Or just do something nice for yourself to celebrate you.


Thanks for the birthday wishes :)

Thanks for the birthday wishes :)"
Yey!! You're welcome. Hmm .... you could buy yourself some new art stuff. Or do you have one of those art studios where you can go and paint a pic just for fun? Otherwise, what is something you love to do but you have not done in a long time?

I’m going to the movies today :) Last night I watched almost all of season 2 of Fuller House and it helped me complete my meal plan. First time, guess I’ll be using that to help me today too.


Yesterday was difficult, but I was able to make it thru. I even did a food challenge yesterday, and tried a food that I don't remember having before (my mom says she used to make it all the time but I don't remember).... It was a food I have just told people I didn't like so I wouldn't have to eat it. Well, my dietitian asked me to try it, so last night I did..... and I really don't like it. A lot of stuff happened last night..... Many memories and emotions surfaced last night.
This morning, I woke up and felt okay. But it took me about 45 minutes to get myself to make breakfast. Then, it took me 2 hours to eat breakfast. During this time so many thoughts were flooding my head. Most thoughts were not food related, but more or less reminding myself how much of a disappointment I am. Then, when I logged my breakfast, I realized I missed the protein I'm supposed to have in the morning.
Ed, Ms. Perfectionist, and others who make up my unhealthy self had a field day with this error. All the sudden I had a strong urge to just give up on my meal plan for the rest of my day. Along with thoughts of punishing myself with self harming behaviors. I also wanted to use the self harming behaviors to numb all of the unwanted emotions. I even told myself that I don't care it's been a year since I last used these certain self harming behaviors (but in reality, I do care and I don't want to go back there). My fears of being alone for the rest of my life went thru my head. Everything has just been so overwhelming that I just want to curl up in a small little ball and disappear..... nobody would miss me, nobody would care... that's what my unhealthy self tells me anyways.
I'm just really worn out from fighting myself yesterday and today. I texted with my dietitian who told me not to worry about the protein I missed and to go to the next meal. I don't know that I will be able to follow my meal plan 100% today, but I will eat.
I appreciate the safe place to share this group provides. I also appreciate each and everyone of you for being so brave and sharing your struggles. You all help me to remember that I'm not alone, even when it feels like I am.

Thank you, Melody.
How are you doing?

Hi Christina,
Happy Belated Birthday! I'm sorry it's been tough lately, but it sounds like your desire to recover is so deep and real. Getting to that paint party, looking for ways to celebrate when ED wants to convince that there is no way out...that's inspiring. In my opinion, that's what recovery is all about. Finding the courage to take these little (BIG) ways to defy ED and live. Even sharing here, that's a courageous act. From the bottom of my heart, I hope you keep continuing your art and your recovery journey. Regarding family, I always felt so alone and like no one could understand me at all. Honestly, sometimes in recovery I still feel that way. It was really hard for me to struggle with my eating disorder for so long, and to have my family to heartbroken and confused over it. The holidays are a tough time in general with family, so I hope in this new year, you can continue to focus on you..your goals, your recovery, your life, your little (BIG) ways of defying ED. So proud of you. Sending you all my love. (So is Bella, my rescue pup)! -Shannon

Wise words, Michelle! I love these ideas. Thanks for sharing :)

Yesterday was difficult, but I was able to make it thru. I even did a food challenge yesterday, and tried a food that I don't remember having before (my mom says she used t..."
Dear Heidi,
You are not alone. Thank you for your brave honesty. It's amazing how even when we are making so much progress (food challenges-sticking through a meal for two hours!)—ED and perfectionism step in the door with all these ideas about what we are doing wrong. I also have a side of my unhealthy self called Ms. Hopeless, or more generally, Depression. She tells me that nothing will ever work out for me and nothing is worth trying. She was loud during the eight years I struggled with ED and sometimes, even today, she gets loud. I just want her to shut up sometimes, but fighting her, that almost makes it worse. You reminded me of this when you said, I'm so tired of "fighting myself." I really know that feeling. Honestly, that feeling, that tiredness, almost led me to give up completely. I want to applaud and celebrate you for posting here in the midst of feeling that tiredness. Despite struggle and uncertainty, here you are, bravely telling on ED and Ms. Perfectionist, bravely keeping it real, bravely sharing your soul. I'm so proud of you. My heart really was moved, aching at times, as I read your words. Because I've been there. And I hate that ED brings so many of us to that hopeless place.
But the thing I often forget is how miraculous it is when we decide to pursue recovery even in the midst of all these uncomfortable urges and thoughts and feelings. And that's what you are doing. You remembered that your soul does not want to self-harm, even though a voice in your head says you do. You reached out to your dietitian, when I'm sure Ms. Perfectionist would have rather had you all to herself, preaching about what you did "wrong." You wrote here about these hard feelings, when in my experience, Depression and Hopelessness urge me to isolate and keep secrets.
Heidi, you are a miracle. I mean that with every ounce of my being. You are a miracle and you've come too far to give up now. Keep reaching out. Keep telling on your unhealthy self. And keep fighting for your recovery.
Sometimes, if the fight gets too tiring, maybe step back and take a breath of acceptance. That's helped me at times. To surrender and say, ok, I have all these aspects of my unhealthy self screaming at me right now. It's hard. It's painful. I wish it wasn't so. But they are there and they are going to do their thing.
Cheryl Strayed once said, "Acceptance is a small quiet room." I think that small quiet room is the last one in the house our EDs want us to visit. Sometimes, it takes all the courage we've got to just sit with our discomfort and accept it for what it is. To sit with our loud, unhealthy thoughts and hear them, but not obey. That's something I try to practice today. It's still a struggle. But recovery is worth it. Sending you all my love (and love from my rescue pup, Bella).
-Shannon

Thanks for sharing, Melody. Sending love your way!

I know I haven’t been well medically, emotionally, etc and I’ve been doing the best I can with what I’ve got. No one, but my dad believes me or takes the time to listen that it if takes me a week to clean my room it’s due to factors x, y and z, which he is very aware of now and when my mom gets pissed at me because things aren’t going to way she wants them to be, he’s been getting upset with her. I can’t help my medical problems and it’s been a big concern to my team. When I get extra money I’m going to do something nice for myself and more than one thing- maybe a treat a day or a few times a week. I’m not worried about when I get to making a scarf for my mom- it’s not high on my priority list and I can’t have the yarn touch my skin anyway because I’m allergic to it. So until I find a way to make it with special gloves, it’s on the back burner. And besides, I’ve been wanting to make a blanket for myself and I bought a pattern with a gift card and got fleece yarn (I’m not allergic to it!!!).
I’ve been thinking very deeply about applying to section 8 housing and it gets more and more real everyday and me wanting to do it due to my mom pushing me further and further away. Her demands increase everyday and I can’t take much more on than I already do. I really don’t want to do housing because I really don’t have the money at all and then will have no money for my medical necessities. I’ve decided to stay in my room the rest of the day for the majority of it. I’m sick of feeling hurt and like all I do is disappoint everyone in my house.
It’s all going to make my life so much easier. Wow, sorry this is so long. I didn’t realize it.

Yesterday was difficult, but I was able to make it thru. I even did a food challenge yesterday, and tried a food that I don't remember having before (my mom s..."
Thank you, Shannon. Your post is challenging me again with a ton of compliments from you. 😊
I have met Ms. Hopeless/Depression too. She has been sticking around lately. It seems like whenever I think I have finally pushed her out of my way, she is always nearby and ready for the opportunity to jump right back in and take control. Also, I would have to agree that she tends to like to keep me isolated.
Sometimes, I do remember to take that step back, breath, and accept, but there are other times I need a reminder to do this.
I think I have just put too much on my plate, and Ms. Perfectionist wants me to handle everything perfectly. As much as I want to be able to do everything and be successful at everything I have recently taken on, I am afraid I may have to back out of some. I need to find balance, which is something my EDA mentor and my therapist are trying to help me with…. I don’t know if I have ever had balance in my life.
Anyways, thank you and Bella for the kind words, the support, and the love. Much love to you and Bella.


Saying good bye to our beloved pets is such a difficult thing to do. I'm so sorry that you are having to deal with this pain right now. Please make sure to take care of yourself during this difficult time. Proud of you for reaching out here. You are such a strong individual.
Hugs to you.




I have not tried this yet, because when I wake up, I don't want to get out of bed to try them, but I thought I'd share, in case it helps you.
Michelle wrote: "Melody, thank you. Still having terrible emotions over the dog issue. I cry over everything. I don’t know how people can swallow when there’s a lump in the throat. I don’t even enjoy crafting. All ..."
I am deeply sorry to hear about your dog, Michelle. Please do your best to beef up your recovery support. In tough times, I always needed to add extra support beams to my recovery bridge, you might say. Sending much love and prayers.
I am deeply sorry to hear about your dog, Michelle. Please do your best to beef up your recovery support. In tough times, I always needed to add extra support beams to my recovery bridge, you might say. Sending much love and prayers.

To answer your question, I’m struggling more and more. I forgot to feed myself for two days straight. I hit the wall yesterday becoming really ill. Trying to track my food again so I get all my calories in. Recovery is work! Grateful to have you here.

So happy new year!
I am going to be going into an IOP program everyone!!
I haven’t got accepted yet but they are determined to help me!
I’ve fallen far into relapse and have been trying to dig myself out but I can’t do it alone....
Possibly soon I will share a poem (gotta get the courage to!)
Thanks all!

Michelle wrote: "Hi Melody, when I have sleep problems putting good quality lavender oil on the soles of my feet helps a ton. If this isn’t enough I listen to a pod cast. My sleep Dr said the worst thing I can do i..."
Dear Michelle - I am so sorry that you are struggling but glad to know that you have realized it...and most importantly, that you are focusing your efforts on getting back on track. Recovery IS a lot of work, like you said. And, it is worth it.
Dear Michelle - I am so sorry that you are struggling but glad to know that you have realized it...and most importantly, that you are focusing your efforts on getting back on track. Recovery IS a lot of work, like you said. And, it is worth it.


Books mentioned in this topic
Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent, and Lead (other topics)Almost Anorexic: Is My (or My Loved One's) Relationship with Food a Problem? (other topics)
Goodbye Ed, Hello Me: Recover from Your Eating Disorder and Fall in Love with Life (other topics)
Mom in the Mirror: Body Image, Beauty, and Life after Pregnancy (other topics)
Struggling really badly and falling in a bad relapse!
Have been really triggered lately due to the holidays and a friends 5 year passing coming up.
Any ideas on what to do?